Cowboys' Carr ready, waiting to pounce on Big Ben's throw

[zulater]

Peyton manning and tom brady use it all the time, because it doesnt give the defense a chance to subsitute and generally keeps them in a base defense.

Yep. The Patriots and whatever team Peyton Manning is qb'ing will often use an uptempo offense to gain early control of the game.

[Psycho Ward 86]

im interested to see how many plays peyton manning and tom brady run on average through a full game compared to us. Especially brady, who's just notoriously lightning fast in the no huddle.

[zulater]

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/nwe/2012.htm

The Patriots have run 1045 plays

The Broncos 939

The Steelers 907

[zulater]

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/12...t-the-cowboys/

Good breakdown on Ben's overall game against the Cowboys from Steelers depot.

[Psycho Ward 86]

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/nwe/2012.htm

The Patriots have run 1045 plays

The Broncos 939

The Steelers 907

wow i thought there wouldve been a bigger difference. Still, the broncos and patriots must run a significant number of more no huddle plays than we do.

[Steelreal]

They do because they have "coaches" on the field (Manning Brady). We dont. Brady has had Mcdaniels,Weis and Obrien and hasnt missed a beat. Manning is on his 2nd system and has mastered it. These guys are like Scholars amongst the Quarterbacks

[steeldawg]

we have to do something, we come out flat everygame we need to try and get things moving early and it might even help the running game.

[Steelreal]

3wr set was lethal in 09 with Wallace, Santonio and Hines. It could be again with Wallace, AB And Sanders but the receivers have got to be focused. Too many mental lapses by all the Steelers. I blame Tomlin. No one else

[Psycho Ward 86]

3wr set was lethal in 09 with Wallace, Santonio and Hines. It could be again with Wallace, AB And Sanders but the receivers have got to be focused. Too many mental lapses by all the Steelers. I blame Tomlin. No one else

it amazes me that we cant match that trio's production. i feel like sanders could/should be a better #3 than wallace was, and i feel like wallace could/should be better than santonio that year

[Steelreal]

Agreed

[Mojouw]

They do because they have "coaches" on the field (Manning Brady). We dont. Brady has had Mcdaniels,Weis and Obrien and hasnt missed a beat. Manning is on his 2nd system and has mastered it. These guys are like Scholars amongst the Quarterbacks

To be fair, Manning is not really on his second system. He installed his offense (or whatever they ran in Indy) out in Denver. What is impressive is not his ability to master another system, but to teach and implement his system to another group of players.

[Steelreal]

To be fair, Manning is not really on his second system. He installed his offense (or whatever they ran in Indy) out in Denver. What is impressive is not his ability to master another system, but to teach and implement his system to another group of players.

I agree but its my understanding that he couldnt take Indy's playbook with him. Irsay wouldnt allow it. Denver implemented their system and added a lot of the No Huddle (whick Peyton brought from Indy)
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...roncos-offense

[BlastFurnace]

it amazes me that we cant match that trio's production. i feel like sanders could/should be a better #3 than wallace was, and i feel like wallace could/should be better than santonio that year

I agree. IMO, Sanders is a disappointment.

[Steelreal]

Agreed.

[steelerdude15]

I agree. IMO, Sanders is a disappointment.

Why is Manny a disappointment to you?

[Seven]

3wr set was lethal in 09 with Wallace, Santonio and Hines. It could be again with Wallace, AB And Sanders but the receivers have got to be focused. Too many mental lapses by all the Steelers. I blame Tomlin. No one else

How do you blame Tomlin for the shortcomings of our wide receivers?

Peyton manning and tom brady use it all the time, because it doesnt give the defense a chance to subsitute and generally keeps them in a base defense.

As you can see from Zu's post, that is totally inaccurate. They do not use it "all the time" - because it doesn't work as a fulltime offensive system.

[Steelreal]

Because their problem is lack of focus. Why does he Bench the running backs for fumbling and not the wide receivers? I realize you cant bench Wallace and Brown at the same time for packages purposes. However, you can certainly let Crotchery/Plax sub a series or two for lazy play, drops, lack of effort and no focus (Wallace) and No focus, fumbling, lack of pressence of mind Brown. You think the running backs arent asking this question amongst themselves? His inconsistency could potentially divide the team. The receiver keep making the same STUPID mistakes because theyre arent any penalties for their actions.

[steeldawg]

How do you blame Tomlin for the shortcomings of our wide receivers?



As you can see from Zu's post, that is totally inaccurate. They do not use it "all the time" - because it doesn't work as a fulltime offensive system.

saying they use it all the time is a figure of speech, meaning they use it frequently, if say i go to the beach all the time, that doesnt mean i spend all of my time going to the beach. i think peyton operates close to half his offensive snaps from the no huddle and brady i think is around 30%

[Seven]

Because their problem is lack of focus. Why does he Bench the running backs for fumbling and not the wide receivers? I realize you cant bench Wallace and Brown at the same time for packages purposes. However, you can certainly let Crotchery/Plax sub a series or two for lazy play, drops, lack of effort and no focus (Wallace) and No focus, fumbling, lack of pressence of mind Brown. You think the running backs arent asking this question amongst themselves? His inconsistency could potentially divide the team. The receiver keep making the same STUPID mistakes because theyre arent any penalties for their actions.

I get what you're saying I just don't see what good benching Brown and Sanders does, I don't feel like their fumbles were due to lack of discipline. Sanders has fumbled both times while trying to change ball carrying hands - which he's supposed to do. And Brown just got stripped. I can see it more with Wallace as he has been a true repeat offender in my opinion, but with the other two guys I really don't know what I would suggest Tomlin do other than make them hit the jugs at practice and carry footballs all week long.

[Steelreal]

You take away a atheletes snaps and money. THAT gets thier attention. Carrying footballs is more of an embarrasment punishment. Shame them so that they wont revisit the act. If you punish Wallace and not the other two, then you would be doing precisely what Tomlin is doing

[steeldawg]

these are pros i dont think you need to punish them for them to know they have to hold onto the ball. When guys struggle you have to let them play through it, benching them is probably the worst thing you could do.

[Seven]

You take away a atheletes snaps and money. THAT gets thier attention. Carrying footballs is more of an embarrasment punishment. Shame them so that they wont revisit the act. If you punish Wallace and not the other two, then you would be doing precisely what Tomlin is doing

So you're supposed to suspend a guy without pay for fumbling a couple times? It happens. It's not like they're Mendenhall who fumbled twice in two plays. And Tomlin has taken snaps away from Wallace and Sanders. So again, I don't see what more you want him to do. He could take more snaps away than he already has, but then you significantly reduce the amount of playmakers you have on the field during a time where we have must win games - that would be bad coaching.

[zulater]

these are pros i dont think you need to punish them for them to know they have to hold onto the ball. When guys struggle you have to let them play through it, benching them is probably the worst thing you could do.

Agree 100%! Use it as a coaching moment. But no one's confidence or game improves from the sideline.

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Why is Manny a disappointment to you?

I think the seperated should has been an issue. Some guys can ignore the pain, some try to but can't.

[Steelreal]

these are pros i dont think you need to punish them for them to know they have to hold onto the ball. When guys struggle you have to let them play through it, benching them is probably the worst thing you could do.

I agree, INITIALLY. However, when it continues you have to set an example so they all realize what the standard is.

[Steelreal]

So you're supposed to suspend a guy without pay for fumbling a couple times? It happens. It's not like they're Mendenhall who fumbled twice in two plays. And Tomlin has taken snaps away from Wallace and Sanders. So again, I don't see what more you want him to do. He could take more snaps away than he already has, but then you significantly reduce the amount of playmakers you have on the field during a time where we have must win games - that would be bad coaching.

Suspend a guy without pay? Sorry I wasnt clear. I think suspending without Pay for fumbling would raise an issuer with the NFLPA. What I meant was MONEY and PLAYING time are the two things that get their attention (Ask Goodell). The monetary part has to do with bonusus and incentives. Dropped passes, fumbles etc dont equate to incentives if they continue. Yes, tomlin did take away snaps from Wallace and how has he played since? 17 catches for about 250 and 2 TD (Shouldve been 3). I think the benching did him good and makes my point. I dont recall Sanders losing snaps, nor Brown and they are still making mental errors. I recall Sanders starting for Wallace after he was benched