Tomlin doesn’t ‘run away’ from Keisel’s criticism of Steelers

[steeldawg]

Of course the the talent on the team matters to a coaches success, talent is the ultimate trump card in pro sports. Sure in little league a good coach can out wit a novice coach , but on a pro level the teams with talented qbs win consistently. The problem i see with tomlin is we have a franchise qb in his prime, a great group of young receivers, a solid tightend, a defense ranked at the top of the league, why in the world are we playing .500 football and why does everygame we play come right down to the wire. I watch other winning teams in the league and see these guys not only winning but dominating, crushing teams!

[Steeldude]

Yeah, because there are so many great coaches out there with horrible QBs.

Answer me this. How much of a genius would Bill Belichick be if he didn't have Tom Brady? Now keep in mind, he had a horrible record as a HC before Fairy Boy came around. How about Mike McCarthy? We all saw what happened to the Colts last year without Peyton Manning, and then this year with Andy Luck. Think Tom Coughlin isn't thankful he has Eli Manning on his team? He wouldn't have 2 rings without him, that's for sure. Bill Cowher had a lot of success with average to poor QBs...thanks in large part to a dominant defense and running game. But even he had plenty of shitty seasons with those same average to poor QBs, including 3 consecutive .500 and below seasons from 1998-2000 and didn't win the big one until when? That's right, when Ben came around, the very guy that he had to be forced into drafting by Dan Rooney.

Bottom line is, EVERY successful team has a top-shelf QB leading their team. It does NOT make the head coaches of those teams horrible or "below average" as you claim Tomlin is. I think the true shitty coaches are the ones who have good QBs and still can't win (Norv Turner, Jim Schwartz, Jason Garrett).

But nevermind. You go on being the ultimate "glass-half-empty" guy. I get that you simply want to see better play and better players, but damn man...would it kill you to give out a compliment or 2 more than once in a blue moon?

How much of a genius would Bill Belichick be if he didn't have Tom Brady?

He did well with Cassell when Brady went down. Chuck Knox did well without a great QB when he coached the Rams. Billick went to a SB with Dilfer as the QB. Then again it's hard for me to say how well they were as coaches because I didn't follow those teams like I do the Steelers. Cowher did very well with a WR as the QB. Now what about coaches like Caldwell? When Manning went down so did the team. He was winning with the great Manning, but lost when he went down. The Colts win, regardless of the coach, with Manning running the show. David Shula would be winning with Manning. One could say they were riding the (insert QB name)train.

I am not saying player talent is not needed to win. Obviously, if you have a group of bums on the field you aren't going to do well. It seems to me many of you are saying a good QB is all that is needed, not a good coach. What if the Steelers hired someone besides Tomlin; do you think the results would be about the same? What if they hired Billick(if he was available)? IMO, Tomlin doesn't have the "It" factor. I wouldn't say he is below average as is quoted earlier. I should have said average HC. I really don't see anything that special out of him.

Let me clarify. I realize a good QB is needed(usually) to win in the NFL. That's why I wanted Kordell gone from the beginning. However, when a team shows a trend of coming out flat or is ill-prepared against inferior teams then I think coaching is a big part of it.

Archie Bunker doesn't give out a lot of compliments

[86WARD]

The Steelers have a lot of holes on this team and that also includes coaching.

You can thank the 2008 draft for that.

[GoSlash27]

I am not saying player talent is not needed to win. Obviously, if you have a group of bums on the field you aren't going to do well.

By your earlier quotes cited upstream, we *do* have a bunch of bums on the field.

I'm siding with Preach on this one. You have the right to be as negative and critical as you want, and the rest of us have the right to dismiss your opinion as overly-negative. We simply could not have an average head coach, wimpy DC, a field full of average/ below average players *and* still wind up in playoff contention with the #1 ranked defense. The math doesn't work.

[Craic]

However, when a team shows a trend of coming out flat or is ill-prepared against inferior teams then I think coaching is a big part of it.

Archie Bunker doesn't give out a lot of compliments

For as much as I've been yanking your chain in the last few posts here and in the other thread . . . this is a very good point and I completely agree. That doesn't mean overall, he isn't a pretty dang good coach. It's that this is one area of the overall makeup of a coach that he's struggling.

[Steeldude]

By your earlier quotes cited upstream, we *do* have a bunch of bums on the field.

I'm siding with Preach on this one. You have the right to be as negative and critical as you want, and the rest of us have the right to dismiss your opinion as overly-negative. We simply could not have an average head coach, wimpy DC, a field full of average/ below average players *and* still wind up in playoff contention with the #1 ranked defense. The math doesn't work.

Don't be so sensitive. I know I have the right to point out a player's faults etc... just as you have the right to exaggerate and complain about a person's opinions.

Who said the entire team is average to below average? Please copy and paste this comment. You see how you exaggerate? Many of you people have that problem.

Tell me, do you think the Steelers would be any different if they hired Billick instead of Tomlin?

[GoSlash27]

Don't be so sensitive. I know I have the right to point out a player's faults etc... just as you have the right to exaggerate and complain about a person's opinions.

Who said the entire team is average to below average? Please copy and paste this comment. You see how you exaggerate? Many of you people have that problem.

Tell me, do you think the Steelers would be any different if they hired Billick instead of Tomlin?

Oh, I'm not being "sensitive" at all. In fact, I'm the opposite. I'm just letting your bellyaching go right in one ear and out the other, 'cuz it's clearly not worth paying attention to.
/carry on.

[Steeldude]

Oh, I'm not being "sensitive" at all. In fact, I'm the opposite. I'm just letting your bellyaching go right in one ear and out the other, 'cuz it's clearly not worth paying attention to.
/carry on.

I am not bellyaching. I am merely posting my opinion. You are upset with it.

cuz it's clearly not worth paying attention to

So then why are you paying attention? Good job

I see you ran from my question. Tell me, do you think the Steelers would be any different if they hired Billick instead of Tomlin?

[GoSlash27]

I am not bellyaching. I am merely posting my opinion. You are upset with it.

Hey, post away. And thanks for your declaration of my emotional state, but I'm *pretty sure* I'm in a better position to know that than you are.

I'm sorry, but I just plain don't know how else to get the point across: I'm really not interested in arguing this with you. I'm just plain not. Some people are optimistic about the team, and some people are pessimistic. Such is life in the National Football League.
So carry on, Sir. I hope you have a good day and that all is well with you and yours.

[Dwinsgames]

what do you get what you cross a person who is highly optimistic that their team can beat anybody with a person who feels like their team can lose to anybody .....I am that man


and I complain about it because I feel we are capable to be a far better product than the one who has taken the field each week in 2012

[Steeldude]

Hey, post away. And thanks for your declaration of my emotional state, but I'm *pretty sure* I'm in a better position to know that than you are.

I'm sorry, but I just plain don't know how else to get the point across: I'm really not interested in arguing this with you. I'm just plain not. Some people are optimistic about the team, and some people are pessimistic. Such is life in the National Football League.
So carry on, Sir. I hope you have a good day and that all is well with you and yours.

In other words, I answer your questions, but when you are asked questions you run away in fear. That's typical for you people.

Tell me, do you think the Steelers would be any different if they hired Billick instead of Tomlin?