Here, have another Wallace thread... this time he admits to lacking concentration...

[steeldawg]

Why is it ridiculous? You are determining what a player brings in terms of how much you should pay him. Your entire outlook on Wallace is based purely on personal feelings, not logic. You say it's not his job to fight for passes. You say fundamentals are not important. You say the only thing he brings is a 40 time. Again, why not replace him with an WR who can run fast? It would be cheaper



Again, I explained this before in another thread. The more targets the more catches/stats.

You are probably thinking his TDs in garbage time are something to throw big money at. Where was he during the middle of the game? Oh that's right, he let another pass clang off his poor hands.

A better route runner than Brown or Sanders? Do you watch the games or just look at the box score in Monday's sports page?



Look at every WR with 100 or more targets. What do you see?

Why do you want to give big money to a WR who deliberately doesn't try?

You cant take away his speed its what makes him special!!!! My arguement is not based on personal feelings lol, its based on prooduction. Seriously he caught a td in the third and the fourth both where tough catches, he also had a total of 7 catches in that game your just reaching for any reason to bash him. you can make the arguement more targets more stats but again first three years only guy since moss and rice to have those numbers through their first 3 years and there have been alott of guys who have had over 100 targets. doesnt try?? he looked like the only receiver on the field on sunday.

[steeldawg]

Why is it ridiculous? You are determining what a player brings in terms of how much you should pay him. Your entire outlook on Wallace is based purely on personal feelings, not logic. You say it's not his job to fight for passes. You say fundamentals are not important. You say the only thing he brings is a 40 time. Again, why not replace him with an WR who can run fast? It would be cheaper



Again, I explained this before in another thread. The more targets the more catches/stats.

You are probably thinking his TDs in garbage time are something to throw big money at. Where was he during the middle of the game? Oh that's right, he let another pass clang off his poor hands.

A better route runner than Brown or Sanders? Do you watch the games or just look at the box score in Monday's sports page?



Look at every WR with 100 or more targets. What do you see?

Why do you want to give big money to a WR who deliberately doesn't try?

also i didnt say it wasnt his job to fight for the ball i sais when hes got the defender beat by ten yards why should he have to. Fundamentals are only important to a degree, but again talent trumps fundamentals. Also your completely ignoring the different ways wallace has caught tds this seaon, his game is very diverse. your whole arguement is just plug in a fast guy and you will get the same production, thats is like telling the lions just get rid of johnson you can get a big guy much cheaper. I dont need to argue with you the stats tell the story. You can talk about the ball he didnt catch but that was a very tough play, i notice you didnt mention 2 balls dropped by brown 1 he didnt get is feet in and miller dropped a td cotchery also with a drop. Somehow wallace gets the venom because he didnt make a great catch and the 7 catches 112yds and 2 tds he caught are somehow the stat line of the guy who doesnt try!

[tube517]

Substitute "Willie Parker" "minus the long runs" blah blah blah, LOL

[86WARD]

Welcome to the club...lol.

Lets hope the team gets hot and makes a run.

[NJarhead]

Screw co-starting him. I think Tomlin should bench him for the first half this Sunday. He's earned it. He's a great player, but something's going on with him and he needs to figure it out. In order to do that, he needs the incentive and motivation. IMO, a little humble pie could help him with that.

[86WARD]

Welcome to the club...lol.

Lets hope the team gets hot and makes a run.

[FAB802]

Screw co-starting him. I think Tomlin should bench him for the first half this Sunday. He's earned it. He's a great player, but something's going on with him and he needs to figure it out. In order to do that, he needs the incentive and motivation. IMO, a little humble pie could help him with that.

You want to bench a starter for a half in a must win game to send a message? Is he benching the OL after that last debacle, or the non existant pass rushers too? They didn't breathe on Rivers and he was playing behind the third string of his OL. How about tired after two carries Dwyer for being out of shape this deep into a season? He scored two touchdowns and he deserves to be benched? Unbelievable.

[Steeldude]

also i didnt say it wasnt his job to fight for the ball i sais when hes got the defender beat by ten yards why should he have to. Fundamentals are only important to a degree, but again talent trumps fundamentals. Also your completely ignoring the different ways wallace has caught tds this seaon, his game is very diverse. your whole arguement is just plug in a fast guy and you will get the same production, thats is like telling the lions just get rid of johnson you can get a big guy much cheaper. I dont need to argue with you the stats tell the story. You can talk about the ball he didnt catch but that was a very tough play, i notice you didnt mention 2 balls dropped by brown 1 he didnt get is feet in and miller dropped a td cotchery also with a drop. Somehow wallace gets the venom because he didnt make a great catch and the 7 catches 112yds and 2 tds he caught are somehow the stat line of the guy who doesnt try!

Then why are you completely incapable of listing what Wallace brings besides his 40 time?

when hes got the defender beat by ten yards why should he have to

Because that's his job. He being paid to catch the ball. Why would you want a WR who doesn't fight for every pass?

Somehow wallace gets the venom because he didnt make a great catch

He should make that catch 9 out of 10 times. It wasn't difficult. The ball hit him in both hands.

7 catches 112yds and 2 tds he caught are somehow the stat line of the guy who doesnt try

Your excuse is garbage time stats. Just amazing. If he didn't get those garbage time stats you would drum up another excuse to give him $10,000,000 a season.

i notice you didnt mention 2 balls dropped by brown

Because we are talking about Wallace. Do you think I am like you where I dismiss certain players from their errors? Brown sucked. He should have easily caught those passes. He should feel like crap all weak for his poor performance. If he keeps playing like that then he should be let go.

there have been alott of guys who have had over 100 targets. doesnt try

So it's ok if he doesn't try because other WRs have done the same? Would Wallace's stats be the same if his targets were reduced?


Why do you want to give big money to a WR who deliberately doesn't try? <--- You failed to answer

[Carolina Steelers]

You want to bench a starter for a half in a must win game to send a message? Is he benching the OL after that last debacle, or the non existant pass rushers too? They didn't breathe on Rivers and he was playing behind the third string of his OL. How about tired after two carries Dwyer for being out of shape this deep into a season? He scored two touchdowns and he deserves to be benched? Unbelievable.

I agree!! just amazing bench your WR to send a message to him in the middle of playoff push without him your chances go down start burress instead

[NJarhead]

You want to bench a starter for a half in a must win game to send a message? Is he benching the OL after that last debacle, or the non existant pass rushers too? They didn't breathe on Rivers and he was playing behind the third string of his OL. How about tired after two carries Dwyer for being out of shape this deep into a season? He scored two touchdowns and he deserves to be benched? Unbelievable.

You're talking about one game. I'm talking about the last straw. What good is he if Ben throws to him and he drops it? Not much good I would say. So yes, I am saying to bench a starter. He scored in garbage time.

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I agree!! just amazing bench your WR to send a message to him in the middle of playoff push without him your chances go down start burress instead

Again, he's no good to us if he can't make plays. He's capable, but he's not delivering when it counts. Why do you think Tomlin made him a "co-starter?"

[X-Terminator]

You're talking about one game. I'm talking about the last straw. What good is he if Ben throws to him and he drops it? Not much good I would say. So yes, I am saying to bench a starter. He scored in garbage time.

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Again, he's no good to us if he can't make plays. He's capable, but he's not delivering when it counts. Why do you think Tomlin made him a "co-starter?"

If Tomlin does that, in a game they have to win, the criticism he will get will be nothing compared to what he's gotten the last 2 days.

[Carolina Steelers]

You're talking about one game. I'm talking about the last straw. What good is he if Ben throws to him and he drops it? Not much good I would say. So yes, I am saying to bench a starter. He scored in garbage time.

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Again, he's no good to us if he can't make plays. He's capable, but he's not delivering when it counts. Why do you think Tomlin made him a "co-starter?"

Co start and bench for an entire 1st half are 2 different things I don't mind the co start to make a point and if you notice when he was co starter he was our there for 1st series but bench for an entire half you will get nothing from him the rest of game IMO

[NJarhead]

If Tomlin does that, in a game they have to win, the criticism he will get will be nothing compared to what he's gotten the last 2 days.

I don't care about that stuff. I doubt he does either.

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Co start and bench for an entire 1st half are 2 different things I don't mind the co start to make a point and if you notice when he was co starter he was our there for 1st series but bench for an entire half you will get nothing from him the rest of game IMO

I understand. But if he's useless anyway....is my point.

[FAB802]

Some of you don't know how good you have it with this group as a unit. What message does it send to the rest of the team that he's willing to risk the playoff's for a message that doesn't even work with high school kids? Ooh, sit down while everyone else plays and you still get paid.

[NJarhead]

Some of you don't know how good you have it with this group as a unit. What message does it send to the rest of the team that he's willing to risk the playoff's for a message that doesn't even work with high school kids? Ooh, sit down while everyone else plays and you still get paid.

We are talking about professional athletes, not high school kids. These guys DO care about playing and how they're viewed by their peers. Maybe you haven't been paying attention, but this group has been under achieving and Wallace is the biggest culprit.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Screw co-starting him. I think Tomlin should bench him for the first half this Sunday. He's earned it. He's a great player, but something's going on with him and he needs to figure it out. In order to do that, he needs the incentive and motivation. IMO, a little humble pie could help him with that.

lol this isnt high school football

[Dwinsgames]

lol this isnt high school football

then they need to stop playing like it ..............

[NJarhead]

lol this isnt high school football

No shit.

Players get benched in the NFL for not performing.

[Psycho Ward 86]

No shit.

Players get benched in the NFL for not performing.

brown singlehandedly killed 4 drives by himself on sunday with 2 drops on drag routes, empty effort trying to get a flag, and poor field awareness on an out route. Oh yeah, and he scored a beautiful touchdown. For the other team.

What are you going to do with a benched wallace and an extremely shaky antonio brown (since coming off his high ankle sprain, which destroys what he does since his game is predicated on short space quickness)? Watch plaxico and sanders tear shit up? lol..

This isnt high school. The backups are backups for a reason.

[NJarhead]

brown singlehandedly killed 4 drives by himself on sunday with 2 drops on drag routes, empty effort trying to get a flag, and poor field awareness on an out route. Oh yeah, and he scored a beautiful touchdown. For the other team.

What are you going to do with a benched wallace and an extremely shaky antonio brown (since coming off his high ankle sprain, which destroys what he does since his game is predicated on short space quickness)? Watch plaxico and sanders tear shit up? lol..

This isnt high school. The backups are backups for a reason.

Again, one game is not what I'm measuring. Stop bringing up high school. Maybe you should go find out how Ike Taylor felt about being benched by Cowher. NFL players sit when they don't perform. This is a fact. Wallace has admitted to losing focus. He's had 5 key drops in 6 games. What's the point of throwing to an open WR if he's not going to catch it? What's the point of starting a WR who continues to drop balls in big spots? High school football has nothing to do with any of this.

[Psycho Ward 86]

Again, one game is not what I'm measuring. Stop bringing up high school. Maybe you should go find out how Ike Taylor felt about being benched by Cowher. NFL players sit when they don't perform. This is a fact. Wallace has admitted to losing focus. He's had 5 key drops in 6 games. What's the point of throwing to an open WR if he's not going to catch it? What's the point of starting a WR who continues to drop balls in big spots? High school football has nothing to do with any of this.

we were 2-6 when ike was benched with a near impossible chance of making the playoffs. Were 7-6 and in a situation where we HAVE TO win at least 2 games out of 3 including the bengals, all games that will be insanely tough to win even if we were 100% healthy. Now is not the time to send players to the naughty corner. This is the absolute wrong time for petulance. The situations are extraordinarily different.

You fail to acknowledge how brown is doing as of late and wallace as of late. Why arent you talking about how brown has been doing lately? Isnt there so much to talk about in that area? You also fail to acknowledge the great increase in the number of deep passes Ben is attempting, NOT just to wallace. Thats where wallace is at his best. Brown isnt playing healthy, and if you take that into account along with wiping out our best deep threat? Well, it aint gonna be pretty because you seem to take the cowboys, bengals, and browns extremely lightly if you think victory is attainable by taking more players out.

You're right. high school football has nothing to do with any of this. That's why i said this isnt high school. Theres more disparity in talent in the nfl between the starters and backups. Were gonna need to be armed to the teeth to even have a chance at beating these teams.

[FAB802]

We are talking about professional athletes, not high school kids. These guys DO care about playing and how they're viewed by their peers. Maybe you haven't been paying attention, but this group has been under achieving and Wallace is the biggest culprit.

That culprit has caught 8 touchdowns this year. Heath is next with 7. I drove my behind all the way to Nashville to watch that debacle and haven't missed a game. He is the least of their problems on offense. He cares if he's benched, but at this point in the season if the coaching staff doesn't have a handle on how to get the best out of them when will they?

The line sucked Sunday yet they tried repeatedly to cram the ball up the middle against a bottom seven pass defense. The one RB who sometimes looks good can't stay on the field more than two plays because he's tapping out. That takes real effort doesn't it? Wallace needs to work on his route running and adjuting to errant throws in the air. Those can be taught. 4.3 cannot. Where you get that he isn't trying is beyond me. EVERY receiver drops passes.

[Psycho Ward 86]

The one RB who sometimes looks good can't stay on the field more than two plays because he's tapping out.

to be fair, dwyer got 24 of his 32 yards after contact according to steelers depot. Boy oh boy where did that nasty blocking in the bengals, giants, and redskins game go? Hope Decastro can get it going again if he plays a lot of snaps

[steeldawg]

People actually want wallace benched for the upcoming game??? unreal bench our top scorer in a must win game!! I dont get the hes not trying thing either, he is out there with no contract, one wrong hit could end his career and hes still hasnt missed a game, has he dropped some balls, sure but its going to happen, this guy is our best wideout he deserves to be on the field and im sure if you asked big ben if he wants wallace on the field his answer would be without a doubt yesssssss!!

[zulater]

People actually want wallace benched for the upcoming game??? unreal bench our top scorer in a must win game!! I dont get the hes not trying thing either, he is out there with no contract, one wrong hit could end his career and hes still hasnt missed a game, has he dropped some balls, sure but its going to happen, this guy is our best wideout he deserves to be on the field and im sure if you asked big ben if he wants wallace on the field his answer would be without a doubt yesssssss!!

I agree with you on everything but what I highlighted. When our best wr was out Wallace rarely was open.

[zulater]

brown singlehandedly killed 4 drives by himself on sunday with 2 drops on drag routes, empty effort trying to get a flag, and poor field awareness on an out route. Oh yeah, and he scored a beautiful touchdown. For the other team.

What are you going to do with a benched wallace and an extremely shaky antonio brown (since coming off his high ankle sprain, which destroys what he does since his game is predicated on short space quickness)? Watch plaxico and sanders tear shit up? lol..

This isnt high school. The backups are backups for a reason.

That's garbage and you know it.

Antonio was one of 11 guys on the field that play. He didn't call it. He didn't throw it. The ball didn't doink his backside. Yeah he should have kicked the ball out of bounds or fell on the ball for the safety. But guess what, had he picked up that ball successfully and run it to the line of scrimmage or beyond who here is condemning him? I've seen Ben make some suspect decisions before. The game's moving at a rapid rate out there. Sometimes you fuck up when things go off script.

Antonio doesn't look to be 100% recovered from his high ankle sprain yet. Given that his game is out manuevering opponents in dense traffic, not a shock. One thing should be apparent to those who know what they're watching. His return has bought space for his fellow receivers. Even when Ben was healthy in Kansas City he was having trouble finding anyone open. Who was missing? 84.

[HollywoodSteel]

I'm not one of those people that holds one tiny thing against Wallace for his offseason activities. I might not think he handled everything in the smartest possible way, but hey, handle your business as you see fit... just catch the damn ball. Now, I don't want him to be benched. He brings more to the table than he takes away and I don't want to cut off our nose to spit our face. But here's what I'd like to see from the kid -- after a game with a crucial drop like that last one, I want him to go find Tomlin after the game and say that was unacceptable on part. I need to be better, tell me what to do coach. I've already decide that I am going to be the last one who leaves practice every day this week. I'm gonna have one of our QBs toss me hundred hard to catch balls that I can only bring in with my hands, and if I catch 99 in a row and I drop the next one, I'm starting over. I'm going to run every route a hundred times with a receivers coach watching me and if I don't do everything right down to my toenails, then I start over from one. My mind and body will be so well trained come game time that focus or no focus, I will be incapable of making a mistake... my mind and body just won't know how to do that. And if I do make a mistake in the next game, then this last week will look like a drunken stroll on a Maui beach compared to my practice next week. I have all the physical tools to be perfect, so this is my pledge -- I will be so perfect that Jerry Rice will come to me and ask me how I do it. So what do you think, coach? Anything else you want to add to that, because I am more than willing to do whatever it takes.

[Psycho Ward 86]

That's garbage and you know it.

Antonio was one of 11 guys on the field that play. He didn't call it. He didn't throw it. The ball didn't doink his backside. Yeah he should have kicked the ball out of bounds or fell on the ball for the safety. But guess what, had he picked up that ball successfully and run it to the line of scrimmage or beyond who here is condemning him? I've seen Ben make some suspect decisions before. The game's moving at a rapid rate out there. Sometimes you fuck up when things go off script.

Antonio doesn't look to be 100% recovered from his high ankle sprain yet. Given that his game is out manuevering opponents in dense traffic, not a shock. One thing should be apparent to those who know what they're watching. His return has bought space for his fellow receivers. Even when Ben was healthy in Kansas City he was having trouble finding anyone open. Who was missing? 84.

no its not garbage. there were 11 guys on the field and only one that couldve saved the play and brown didnt deliver. IF he had picked up the ball and run it back. But he didnt. Well if were going to give people free passes for making suspect decisions sometimes, we better give them to everyone. But thats not how the blame game works. He messed up and played his worst game of the year by far at the most inopportune time.

Of course he isnt 100%. I acknowledged that. It is not his fault that hes not going to be 100% all season. Injuries happen and i dont expect him to play at the same level. That doesnt mean im not going to be hard on him, he's the #1 cog in this offense and if he's not doing his job obviously people are going to be righteously pissed. Of course everyone was more open. You seem to think i dont like brown when i do. More than wallace actually. I just dont like it when people rain criticism for certain players for the smallest things because theyre bitter (not saying thats you at all) while other players just get a free pass all the time for making monumental mistakes.

And also, anyone out there giving brown a pass for playing with a high ankle sprain i hope you gave redman a pass for every game he's suited up for because he's done exactly the same.

[BlountForceTrauma]

I'm a big time Wallace basher I will readily admit. But it doesn't have anything to do with the contract stuff. I strictly feel like it's all about what he does on the field. He is the most targeted receiver on the team. Yet he has the most drops on the team. He can't run a route. His hands are apparently allergic to the football. He doesn't turn defender on badly thrown balls. He doesn't catch it at its highest point. Most of his big time supporters point to times past to try and get people to cut him some slack. But the fact of the NFL is that it's a what have you done for me lately league and Wallace has CERTAINLY not done anything for us lately. Yes he took one to the house against the gnats but that was a rarity. How many other balls has he caught in the middle of the field and then basically laid down to avoid contact? Also I know he had a good game against SD but I don't think they were playing him as hard because I honestly feel like they felt like they had our number. Wallace fumbles approx. 1 our of every 44 times he touches the football. That's not good. I just don't feel that he is a complete enough player to warrant a pay day like what he is asking. Honestly I don't even think he is worth what AB is getting. AB helps in other phases of the game besides just deep routes. We know Wallace can't maintain his kind of speed forever. So once that's gone what will his value be?

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no its not garbage. there were 11 guys on the field and only one that couldve saved the play and brown didnt deliver. IF he had picked up the ball and run it back. But he didnt. Well if were going to give people free passes for making suspect decisions sometimes, we better give them to everyone. But thats not how the blame game works. He messed up and played his worst game of the year by far at the most inopportune time.

Of course he isnt 100%. I acknowledged that. It is not his fault that hes not going to be 100% all season. Injuries happen and i dont expect him to play at the same level. That doesnt mean im not going to be hard on him, he's the #1 cog in this offense and if he's not doing his job obviously people are going to be righteously pissed. Of course everyone was more open. You seem to think i dont like brown when i do. More than wallace actually. I just dont like it when people rain criticism for certain players for the smallest things because theyre bitter (not saying thats you at all) while other players just get a free pass all the time for making monumental mistakes.

And also, anyone out there giving brown a pass for playing with a high ankle sprain i hope you gave redman a pass for every game he's suited up for because he's done exactly the same.

One reason I was actually GLAD he DIDN'T kick it out of bounds is because did we REALLY wanna give them 2 points PLUS another possession to march it down the field on Victorian, Allen, and Brown? I suppose that's one way of thinking about it. Or maybe AB realized what the rest of us realized which is that it was actually a bad call. Although if you don't hear the whistle you need to keep playing.

[Craic]

to be fair, dwyer got 24 of his 32 yards after contact according to steelers depot. Boy oh boy where did that nasty blocking in the bengals, giants, and redskins game go? Hope Decastro can get it going again if he plays a lot of snaps

It's sitting on the bench, injured. That's what Colon and Adams brought to this line.