Didn't Charlie win a game last year while Ben was nursing his size 14 foot???
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Didn't Charlie win a game last year while Ben was nursing his size 14 foot???
He didn't do shit in any of those games to earn those wins. Give me a break. He is a terrible QB, and you want him starting? Really???Originally Posted by zulater
So what if he comes in and wins the game next week? Just like he's done 4 out of the last 5 times the Steelers asked him to take the reins.
"Oh but that was ages ago." Nope. 3-1 in 2010, 1-0 last year. And guess what. I watched all the preseason games. Charlie looked the same as ever. Ugly but oddly effective.
And speaking of ages ago, that's how long it's been since Leftwich won an NFL game. 2006 to be exact. Half our team was in college the last time Leftwich won a game of consequence and you want him over Batch?!!
Really?
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Um, no. Batch only started 2 games in 2010 - so how can he be 3-1? Also, he split those games, going 1-1. May I suggest you go back and look stats. The game he came in for Dixon, he went 5-11 for 25 yards. Are you REALLY counting that in his record?So what if he comes in and wins the game next week? Just like he's done 4 out of the last 5 times the Steelers asked him to take the reins.
"Oh but that was ages ago." Nope. 3-1 in 2010, 1-0 last year. And guess what. I watched all the preseason games. Charlie looked the same as ever. Ugly but oddly effective.
And speaking of ages ago, that's how long it's been since Leftwich won an NFL game. 2006 to be exact. Half our team was in college the last time Leftwich won a game of consequence and you want him over Batch?!!
Really?
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Yeah but that 27-0 win against the 26th ranked defense Ram defense ( same as Baltimore this year) didn't count because Charlie didn't look pretty enough.
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He didn't start one game that Dixon did, but he won the game for the Steelers all the same. Screw your stats, for whatever reason the team performd when Charlie's in there.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
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Nope. Batch put up 0 points. Mendenhall had a heck of a game that game - and our field goal kicker hit a 49 yard field-goal because Batch couldn't move the team any closer to the endzone. Trumpet the guy all you want, except for one game against Tampa - he's been horrible in the last five years.
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Yeah I do. Because he's not Byron Leftwich, and right now that in and of itself makes him a better option.
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Unlike Leftwich who's just been killing it.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
OK. I hope you get your wish, so you can see for yourself how bad he is. Maybe then you'll change your tune.
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The team would have performed well whoever was in there that game, because it had nothing to do with Batch. It had to do with the running game. You say "screw stats." Okay, so screw the stats that say "Leftwich hasn't won a game in six years." Oh wait, no, not that one.
You can't cherry-pick stats. Either the QB has played well, or he hasn't. Neither QB has played well over the last few years. Your hope in Batch is completely misplaced.
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Leftwich actually scored a TD - which would have been enough to win had special teams come through. Killing it? No, but at least he put points on the board, unlike Batch has since the first game in 2010.
Look, I had hopes for Lefty, but his skills have diminished considerably. He's now at Batches level. So no matter who you put in, this is what you're going to get. I was as surprised as everyone else when Johnson didn't stay on the team this year. I thought there was no way Batch would beat him out.
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Except for the fact that if he plays the Steelers win. And if Leftwich does the Steelers have no chance.
The defense couldn't have played any better. We were home. Yeah I know the special teams screwed the pooch, but really, 10 fucking points against the league's 26th ranked defense? Even with the punt return we only had to score 14 points!
When is our opportunity ever going to be greater to win a game without Ben?
We will not beat Cleveland in their stadium with Byron Leftwich. Mark it down.
We would beat them with Batch, with one of his typically ugly games. Mark that down as well. Because it may be too late. But when they finally give the ball to ugly old Charlie the team will start winning again "despite him. Just hope that we have a season to save at that point.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
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Funny thing is, we could've won tonight with a QB who didn't do shit to earn a win. As long as he didn't do everything to outright blow the game.
No, I don't think Batch is a very good QB. I don't WANT him starting. The situation doesn't give me much choice, though. After Leftwich's debacle, it's like trying to convince me I should vote for Obama. I'm not crazy about the other guy, but I know the guy who's in there now is just so beyond terrible that getting him the fuck out of there trumps all else. I don't care whether they start Batch or bail Ryan Leaf out of jail, THAT shit has got to stop.
See you Space Cowboy ...
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We lost by a field goal, Mike Wallace GAVE them a field goal. End of story.
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If Batch starts and wins a game anyone who dare calls him "Botch" should be ashamed of themselves.
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If Batch starts and wins a game anyone who dare calls him "Botch" should be ashamed of themselves.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
Im going with Batch...hes a better option...face it thats all we have left...no Ben pretty much is no win! Look at how well the D played tonight and still couldnt win...a decent game manager Qb and we win. So if Ben is out for a long period of time we will not make the playoffs!
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Also helped set up our only TD with a PI call that was all about his speed.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
I agree
If he starts, plays like shit and the team still wins, I will still call him "Botch," because that's what he does. Charlie's a terrific human being, but a horrible QB.
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If Batch actually manages to throw a TD pass, or run for a TD, I'll give him credit. I wonder, can you give Lefty credit for putting up enough points tonight to win the game if it wasn't for ST's?
Geez, X....what the hell do you want? It's not like we have a whole lotta options here. Lefty ain't gonna get it done...that's pretty obvious after tonight.
So, tell me this...if they start Batch next week and he makes the play that ends up winning the game, what are you gonna say then?
Sh** I'm tired and I'm angry and before I type something I will regret later I'm goin to bed...Later, y'all.
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The fact is that there's no valid reason for BOTH Leftwich and Batch to be on our team. They both suck. Neither one of them give us a good option to win when Ben gets injured. Johnson should've been kept.
We need to use a mid round draft pick this coming year on a backup QB or at least sign a decent FA QB.
I will give him full credit if he actually plays well. I just do not expect it, and neither should anyone else. All you have to do is check the tape and the numbers for your reason why.
leftwich was the obvious goat. and i still dont understand where the batch hate is coming from. is this a preseason judgement or something? I feel like im missing something here. seemed pretty clear to me as soon as ben went down that charlie shouldve gotten the nod to start, not leftwich
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I just want a win next week. Then worry about what follows. Because if we can't beat the Browns there may be no reason to bring Ben back when he's finally ready to go somewhere aound week 14 or 15.
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Johnson is still available for a reason. Just because he got some yards against non NFL players in August doesn't mean he could help this team.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
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Johnson or another free agent QB. Johnson showed some promise and at least he's capable of throwing the ball down the field. He also can get out of the pocket when it collapses.
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Because I've watched Batch, in the last five years, actually put up 1 win that had anything to do with him. The rest of the time the team carried him, yet, many around here think that he's the second coming of Johnny friggin' Unitas.
(yes, i'm being facetious and overstating - for clarification).
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What? You think I don't watch the games? I know he plays ugly. But also know somehow the team seems to rally around him and win games.
The Ravens team we took to the wire in 2010 was much better than what we faced tonight.
The game was there for the taking. We didn't have a quarterback to exploit the league's 27th best defense, and that's why we lost.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
but the question is has he let us down? No. I'll take Batch, especially since he fits in our offense much better.
Well consider this, and this goes for the Batch supporters here. If Lefty is so terrible, what does it say about Batch that he could not beat him out for the primary backup job?
There is no hate for Batch, only the recognition that the guy is the 3rd string QB for a reason, and a big part of that is because he hasn't even been decent for over a decade.
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The Steelers team that took the Ravens' team to the wire was a lot better than the team that took the field tonight as well.
And no, the reason we lost, is because special teams couldn't stop a run back. It really is that simple.
I mean, 10 > 6. Steelers led by Lefty = 10 points. Ravens offense = 6 points. So why did we lose? Oh yeah. SPECIAL TEAMS. Amazing how that little issue of 7 points keeps creeping up.
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Yep. He let us down when he couldn't beat the Ravens. He's let us down when he couldn't win in 07 - in fact, he's let us down in every game he's played in the last five years (except one) by being an ineffectual QB, just as bad or worse that Lefty - who can't throw TD's. At least Lefty ran for one tonight.
Again, am I happy with Lefty? Absolutely not. I think it was a horrible performance. I also think you all are refusing to face reality that Batch is just as bad - if not worse.
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Amazing how you ignore the fact that it only would have taken 14 points at home against the 27th ranked defense to overcome that special teams gaffe. If you can't score 14 points at home against a banged up defense you don't deserve to win.
How they scored the touchdown isn't relevant to the offenses lack of production.
"A man's got to know his limitations."
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