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    The Battle To Takeover The GOP Begins Today

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    Despite our efforts and the efforts of millions of other conservatives, who went all-in for the Romney candidacy, Election Day 2012 was a disaster – Barack Obama was re-elected President, Republicans lost seats in the House and failed to gain a majority in the Senate.

    However, out of that disaster comes some good news: conservatives are saying “Never again” are we going to nominate a big government establishment Republican for President.

    What’s more, we won’t have to – conservatives now have a deep bench of potential presidential candidates.

    We have elected a new generation of conservative leaders who are capable of taking over the GOP to become the Party of small government constitutional conservatism.

    Last night’s election of small government constitutional conservatives -- Ted Cruz, Jeff Flake and Deb Fisher to the Senate, the election of conservative Mike Pence as Governor of Indiana, the election of Trey Radel and other “boat rockers” to the House -- portend that yesterday’s defeats will spell the end of big government Republicanism.

    They join such small government constitutional conservative leaders as Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, Senators Jim DeMint, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Marco Rubio and Pat Toomey, Virginia’s Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli and the 50-odd Members of the House, such as Justin Amash, who stood for conservative principles and voted against the debt ceiling deal.

    Establishment Republicans ever anxious to hold on to power, and the establishment media, are going to blame “the Tea Party” and “radical” conservatives who voted for principled small government constitutional conservative candidates in Republican primaries for the election disaster of 2012.

    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Governor Romney won the nomination by spending tens of millions of dollars knee-capping his conservative opponents in the primaries and then handed the election to Obama because he and his campaign team spent most of the campaign mired in the establishment Republican folly of trying to win by standing for nothing.

    The “stand for nothing” strategy didn’t work for President Ford’s 1976 campaign, it didn’t work for President George H.W. Bush’s re-election and it certainly didn’t work for Bob Dole and John McCain.

    Republicans never, ever, win the presidency unless they nationalize the election by campaigning on a conservative agenda.

    While Obama and the Democrats threw down the gauntlet on the social issues -- such as same-sex marriage and abortion -- Republicans ran away from such issues as same-sex marriage, religious freedom and Obama’s war on the Catholic Church. You couldn’t find any mention of the Constitution or the conservative social agenda in a Romney ad or in a Rove-run Super PAC ad or an ad run by the national GOP.

    The establishment Republicans who held the reins and the checkbooks chose to run negative ads against Obama and campaign almost solely on Romney’s biography and economic policies, while skipping the social issues and the concerns of Tea Partiers and small government constitutional conservatives.

    In choosing to ignore the larger conservative agenda, Romney chose not to follow the path that led Republicans to win seven of the previous eleven presidential elections.


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    Wallace108, what do you think? They aren't going along with your plan. They aren't going towards Gary Johnson. They aren't going to reach out to different types of people. They are ratcheting up the purity test. True believers only!
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    Give a lib a fish--he eats for a day

    Teach a lib to fish--he is back the next day asking for more free fish.

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    This is what i don't get with this thinking. Nobody who was undecided between Romney and Obama fits the ideal dreamed of by this author. Every "true conservative" as defined in here was always against Obama. How does jettisoning this "republican establishment" increase the number of voters on the GOP side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach1 View Post
    Does that mean you're incapable of addressing the merits of the thread?

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    Re: The Battle To Takeover The GOP Begins Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Vis View Post
    This is what i don't get with this thinking. Nobody who was undecided between Romney and Obama fits the ideal dreamed of by this author. Every "true conservative" as defined in here was always against Obama. How does jettisoning this "republican establishment" increase the number of voters on the GOP side?
    It doesn't, and until they decide they want a larger tent that includes more people from all walks of life, they're going to continue to lose at the national level. And that's a shame, because they have so many good ideas and beliefs that do resonate with the average American. Nobody is asking them to give up their core beliefs on social issues and the like - just simply alter the game plan by focusing on the things that people DO agree with.








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    I think this entire country needs to start over. Dissolve BOTH parties, and restart this country completely anew with constitiutional ideals. This is the only way we are going to fix this country

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    Re: The Battle To Takeover The GOP Begins Today

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    Does that mean you're incapable of addressing the merits of the thread?
    Your only reason to show up now is to gloat and troll.


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    Re: The Battle To Takeover The GOP Begins Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach1 View Post
    Your only reason to show up now is to gloat and troll.
    Did that yesterday. Today I'm asking a question.

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    Re: The Battle To Takeover The GOP Begins Today

    Tea Party Slams Mitt Romney as 'Weak Moderate Candidate' Hand-Picked by 'Mushy-Middle' GOP



    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/11/07/tea-party-slams-mitt-romney-as-weak-moderate-candidate-hand-picked-by-mushy-middle-gop




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    But see:

    Steve Schmidt, Former McCain Adviser: Time For GOP Leaders To Reject 'Extreme Statements'
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2086051.html

    Or, for an opposite take:


    Romney blasted after loss for not campaigning as a conservative

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/07/ro...medium=twitter



    Look at all the theories.

    And Herman Cain is calling for a 3rd party
    “I never thought that I would say this, and this is the first time publicly that I’ve said it: We need a third party to save this country. Not Ron Paul and the Ron Paulites. No. We need a legitimate third party to challenge the current system that we have, because I don’t believe that the Republican Party … has the ability to rebrand itself,” Cain said.

    Bryan Fischer noted that he predicted this summer that if Mitt Romney loses, evangelical conservatives would start a third party. “If Barack Obama wins this election the Republican Party as we know it is finished, it is dead, it is toast,” Fischer said in September at the Values Voter Summit in Washington.

    Rush Limabugh: ”If Obama wins, let me tell you what it’s the end of: the Republican Party. There’s gonna be a third party that’s gonna be oriented toward conservatism,” he said.

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    Re: The Battle To Takeover The GOP Begins Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Vis View Post
    Look at all the theories.

    And Herman Cain is calling for a 3rd party
    “I never thought that I would say this, and this is the first time publicly that I’ve said it: We need a third party to save this country. Not Ron Paul and the Ron Paulites. No. We need a legitimate third party to challenge the current system that we have, because I don’t believe that the Republican Party … has the ability to rebrand itself,” Cain said.

    Bryan Fischer noted that he predicted this summer that if Mitt Romney loses, evangelical conservatives would start a third party. “If Barack Obama wins this election the Republican Party as we know it is finished, it is dead, it is toast,” Fischer said in September at the Values Voter Summit in Washington.

    Rush Limabugh: ”If Obama wins, let me tell you what it’s the end of: the Republican Party. There’s gonna be a third party that’s gonna be oriented toward conservatism,” he said.
    The ideas I started discussing in the other thread seem like a better idea than so-called conservatives starting their own party. But whatever works for them, I guess. I just wish they'd stop calling themselves conservatives.

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    Re: The Battle To Takeover The GOP Begins Today

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    The Tea Party Patriots declared war on the Republican establishment after moderate establishment Republican Mitt Romney's loss to President Barack Obama on Tuesday.

    Jenny Beth Martin, National Coordinator of Tea Party Patriots, criticized the Republican Party for hand-picking a Beltway elite candidate who did not campaign forcefully on America's founding principles and said the "presidential loss is unequivocally on them."
    “For those of us who believe that America, as founded, is the greatest country in the history of the world – a ‘Shining city upon a hill’ – we wanted someone who would fight for us,” Martin said. “We wanted a fighter like Ronald Reagan who boldly championed America’s founding principles, who inspired millions of independents and ‘Reagan Democrats’ to join us, and who fought his leftist opponents on the idea that America, as founded, was a ‘Shining city upon a hill.’

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    We had the Green Party attacking Obama but no one listened.

    I wonder who they think could have won. far from it being a Tea Party favorite, I think Huntsman would have been the most likely

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    Re: The Battle To Takeover The GOP Begins Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Vis View Post
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...-Establishment

    The Tea Party Patriots declared war on the Republican establishment after moderate establishment Republican Mitt Romney's loss to President Barack Obama on Tuesday.

    Jenny Beth Martin, National Coordinator of Tea Party Patriots, criticized the Republican Party for hand-picking a Beltway elite candidate who did not campaign forcefully on America's founding principles and said the "presidential loss is unequivocally on them."
    “For those of us who believe that America, as founded, is the greatest country in the history of the world – a ‘Shining city upon a hill’ – we wanted someone who would fight for us,” Martin said. “We wanted a fighter like Ronald Reagan who boldly championed America’s founding principles, who inspired millions of independents and ‘Reagan Democrats’ to join us, and who fought his leftist opponents on the idea that America, as founded, was a ‘Shining city upon a hill.’
    Yay, we're bringing back slavery and taking away women's right to vote. While you women folk are in the kitchen, perhaps one of you could make me a sammich.

    This is exactly the kind of thing Republicans need to stop doing. Not all of this country's founding principles were moral and right. Republicans need to be more specific about the kind of conservatism they're talking about rather than just name-dropping the founding fathers. And they first must assess what freedom and conservatism really are. Our founding fathers didn't get everything right from the beginning. They had fantastic ideas, but some of their views had to evolve. And now it's time for Republicans to evolve.

    (Oh, and Democrats too. You guys are far from perfect, Vis . Democrats who are gloating must have forgotten that it wasn't long ago that they got their asses handed to them by George W. Bush ... who they call the dumbest president ever ... in two consecutive elections. BOTH parties need some work for the good of this country. Now just happens to be a good time to start with the Republicans.)

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    Re: The Battle To Takeover The GOP Begins Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Vis View Post
    Did that yesterday. Today I'm asking a question.
    Excuse me. Are you saying that the only reason you came to this site was to try to stir up trouble?

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    Re: The Battle To Takeover The GOP Begins Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Texasteel View Post
    Excuse me. Are you saying that the only reason you came to this site was to try to stir up trouble?
    What trouble could I stir up?

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    Re: The Battle To Takeover The GOP Begins Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Vis View Post
    What trouble could I stir up?

    That is not an answer to my question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach1 View Post
    Your only reason to show up now is to gloat and troll.
    Vis wasn't here throughout the whole election process because he probably was worried his Messiah was going to lose and didn't want to have to face everyone if it happened.
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    Re: The Battle To Takeover The GOP Begins Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Texasteel View Post
    That is not an answer to my question.
    If the good natured gloating I do stirs up trouble, people need to grow up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCSTILLER View Post
    Vis wasn't here throughout the whole election process because he probably was worried his Messiah was going to lose and didn't want to have to face everyone if it happened.

    I'm on SF with Bayz101, MACH1 etc... Explained this already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vis View Post
    If the good natured gloating I do stirs up trouble, people need to grow up.

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    Again, this does not answer my question. Was that your intent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vis View Post
    I'm on SF with Bayz101, MACH1 etc... Explained this already.
    What the hell does being on SF have to do with this board? Stay over there and gloat and troll. BTW, didn't see you explain this but maybe that was on SF also!
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    Re: The Battle To Takeover The GOP Begins Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Texasteel View Post
    Again, this does not answer my question. Was that your intent?
    Let's see. I've twice admitted to gloating and I've denied believing it would stir up trouble because I give the members more credit than that. I moved on to real inquiry of more conservative people on the future of the GOP. Where is the disconnect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCSTILLER View Post
    What the hell does being on SF have to do with this board? Stay over there and gloat and troll. BTW, didn't see you explain this but maybe that was on SF also!

    Can you see my join date and post count? Is there still a feud?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vis View Post
    Let's see. I've twice admitted to gloating and I've denied believing it would stir up trouble because I give the members more credit than that. I moved on to real inquiry of more conservative people on the future of the GOP. Where is the disconnect?

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    Can you see my join date and post count? Is there still a feud?
    I have no problem with good hearted gloating. The only answer you gave me was. "What trouble could I stir up?" The disconnect is that you will not answer a simple yes or no question. Was that you intent? Answer the question please.

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    Re: The Battle To Takeover The GOP Begins Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Texasteel View Post
    I have no problem with good hearted gloating. The only answer you gave me was. "What trouble could I stir up?" The disconnect is that you will not answer a simple yes or no question. Was that you intent? Answer the question please.

    My intent was to gloat when I gloated, to joke when I joked, to question when I questioned and to explain as I'm now stuck doing over and over.

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    Re: The Battle To Takeover The GOP Begins Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Vis View Post
    My intent was to gloat when I gloated, to joke when I joked, to question when I questioned and to explain as I'm now stuck doing over and over.
    Still not a strait answer, but I will take that as a no. Thank you.

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    Re: The Battle To Takeover The GOP Begins Today

    Quote Originally Posted by Vis View Post
    This is what i don't get with this thinking. Nobody who was undecided between Romney and Obama fits the ideal dreamed of by this author. Every "true conservative" as defined in here was always against Obama. How does jettisoning this "republican establishment" increase the number of voters on the GOP side?
    There weren't enough people who were undecided between Romney and Obama to matter, and that's demonstrated by the unprecedented stability in the numbers over the course of the year.

    The GOP can only win by appealing to the crowd that has decided that they didn't like either one.
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