This ain't your mom/dads USA !

[Moose]

I stayed up last night, as alot of you all did, to watch the election results and the surprising end, and one of the guest speaker's was O'Reilly. He of course talked of the voter's and the country's economy and problems. He mentioned how he was completely baffled how the voter's would accept the state of the economy, the welfare situation, the jobless situation at the highest ever, and still vote for O'bama. Then he made a comment that hit me....he said that the voter's just want 'stuff' from their government. They want things given to them. He generally mentioned that the majority running the country now is Hispanic, latino's, gay's, black and women. That anyone who watched and understood the country's situation and future would no way vote to repeat. Ummm....what say you?

[Seven]

I don't know how else to explain a victory by the lesser candidate. I can speak from experience, my parents voted for Obama because my sister still lives at home, unemployed, and the extension of healthcare to children lets her stay on my dad's plan until she's 26. So while O'Reilly can be extreme, I would be lying if I said I thought he was wrong. Just look at how many people are on food stamps. Up 50% since Obama took office. Think those people want to give that free money up? No way!

[Moose]

I don't know how else to explain a victory by the lesser candidate. I can speak from experience, my parents voted for Obama because my sister still lives at home, unemployed, and the extension of healthcare to children lets her stay on my dad's plan until she's 26. So while O'Reilly can be extreme, I would be lying if I said I thought he was wrong. Just look at how many people are on food stamps. Up 50% since Obama took office. Think those people want to give that free money up? No way!

I agree with you Seven. I thought about what O'Reilly said and I do agree with him. It wasn't long after O'Reilly's appearance a political reporter came on and more or less said the same thing. He mentioned that the Republican party ( and Democrats ) will have to change their way of thinking from here on out. No more of the old party stances. That the U.S. will have to start catering to the gay's ( as alot of states adopted same sex marriages ), and start catering to hispanic/latino's way of life. The 'likeability' of a candidate is now starting to take preference over what can the candidate do with the country. Asinine, I know !! But, I guess this is what we get when we let all the minorities run the world. I guess that's where the O'Reilly statement of, " they want 'stuff' from the government " comes to light. I do agree with your mom/dad's situation about your sister. With the economy and no job's situation going on now, you sure can't afford to have no insurance, and your sister being jobless it's definitely great that she can still be on your mom/dad's plan. But, what happens after 26 yrs. old ? It's scary for her I'm sure. I don't know how this Obama plan is going to work out, but I hate the thought of MY insurance (from work) going UP to pay for those that don't have job's and want insurance. My family doctor said last year that IF Obama plan goes into affect that he's thinking of retiring because, as he put it, " I'm not going to give things for free !". It's going to be interesting for sure my fellow American's. I hope Obama can get things together. Guess I'll fill up my motorcycle and buy a heavy coat....got a feeling that gas prices are going to spike.

Oh yea, the political reporter also said he wouldn't be surprised if the next candidate ( Rep. or Dem.) would be a Hispanic/Latino/gay/woman......or all of. That's definitely something to think about.....ugh.

[Vis]

Oh yea, the political reporter also said he wouldn't be surprised if the next candidate ( Rep. or Dem.) would be a Hispanic/Latino/gay/woman......or all of. That's definitely something to think about.....ugh.

This is a telling statement. I really have no words in response to this vile thinking.

[Vis]

The title of this tread is true. demographics have shifted. Marriage equality is just a matter of time. The GOP can't win with the white male vote again, there aren't enough of us. They will have to reach out to minorities, women, etc. You can't do that with idiots who talk dismissively about rape in a campaign or speak of all Hispanics as illegals and suggest English as a national language when Spanish was here first in many states.

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I don't know how else to explain a victory by the lesser candidate. I can speak from experience, my parents voted for Obama because my sister still lives at home, unemployed, and the extension of healthcare to children lets her stay on my dad's plan until she's 26. So while O'Reilly can be extreme, I would be lying if I said I thought he was wrong. Just look at how many people are on food stamps. Up 50% since Obama took office. Think those people want to give that free money up? No way!

Have you ever known anyone on food stamps who wouldn't rather have an income above that threshold? Your take home pay has to be under 11k a year to qualify. If you think they have it made, quit your job and live off that incredible food stamp wealth.

[BnG_Hevn]

The title of this tread is true. demographics have shifted. Marriage equality is just a matter of time. The GOP can't win with the white male vote again, there aren't enough of us. They will have to reach out to minorities, women, etc. You can't do that with idiots who talk dismissively about rape in a campaign or speak of all Hispanics as illegals and suggest English as a national language when Spanish was here first in many states.

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Have you ever known anyone on food stamps who wouldn't rather have an income above that threshold? Your take home pay has to be under 11k a year to qualify. If you think they have it made, quit your job and live off that incredible food stamp wealth.

I grew up in projects and saw the something: Able bodied workers collecting all the public assistance they can.

The problem with finding a job that will make them more is that they are uneducated and lazy so IF they were to get a job, it would be at / near the minimum wage. They'd have to work two jobs or even three to make the money they get for sitting around.

There are ways to reform it but no president will ever make the moves necessary.

The thing about the minorities running the country is this: When the country goes bankrupt, they are ALL SCREWED. I don't know how the government going bankrupt would affect the country, maybe that's what's needed. Bite the bullet in order to "clean house".

If the government went bankrupt, what would happen? Maybe I'll start a thread about it.

[Vis]

The thing about the minorities running the country is this: When the country goes bankrupt, they are ALL SCREWED.

Wow. Which groups of people are you speaking of exactly? Any minority of any kind or do you have specific racial categories of people in mind?

This thread is getting ugly fast. Maybe it's unfair that all conservatives get lumped in with those who think like this but to counter that, some conservatives will have to call bigotry out.

[BnG_Hevn]

Wow. Which groups of people are you speaking of exactly? Any minority of any kind or do you have specific racial categories of people in mind?

This thread is getting ugly fast. Maybe it's unfair that all conservatives get lumped in with those who think like this but to counter that, some conservatives will have to call bigotry out.

If you misconstrued that into a racial slur then YOU need to rethink your stance. When I said minorities, I meant just that, minorities.

Specifically? Well, seeing how whites are the majority I'd say anyone non-white. And before you twist that around to meet your logic, I'm not in any way saying that whites don't abuse the system as well.

The statement was in response to a previous post about minorities running the country. If the country is bankrupt, there is nothing to run / no government handouts to be had.

[Seven]

The title of this tread is true. demographics have shifted. Marriage equality is just a matter of time. The GOP can't win with the white male vote again, there aren't enough of us. They will have to reach out to minorities, women, etc. You can't do that with idiots who talk dismissively about rape in a campaign or speak of all Hispanics as illegals and suggest English as a national language when Spanish was here first in many states.

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Have you ever known anyone on food stamps who wouldn't rather have an income above that threshold? Your take home pay has to be under 11k a year to qualify. If you think they have it made, quit your job and live off that incredible food stamp wealth.

I worked a job where I made less than 8k a year while going through college. Most of the people I worked with used food stamps and had no ambition to change for the better. I don't think they have it made by any means, but I can tell you coming from that situation - they​ think they do.

[fansince'76]

Dow's already down 300+. Just sayin'...

Yeah, I know, bu-bu-bu-Europe!

[Vis]

What were those economic and welfare bills pushed through by Obama that changed everything?

[SCSTILLER]

What were those economic and welfare bills pushed through by Obama that changed everything?

It's not the bills pushed through by him, but instead his economic policies that have people relying on the bills to get by (or take advantage of)

[Vis]

It's not the bills pushed through by him, but instead his economic policies that have people relying on the bills to get by (or take advantage of)

List them. I know it's the meme, I'm looking for facts.

[X-Terminator]

Given that there are several very able-bodied members of my family living off welfare instead of working, you know there was no way in hell they were going to vote for anyone other than Obama. Welfare in and of itself isn't the problem...lazy-ass people with a sense of entitlement is the problem. If they have no incentive to work, why the hell would they? So basically I, and every other American with a job, is paying for my family members to suck off the public teat and keep pumping out babies to get more money. It makes me sick.

[Vis]

Given that there are several very able-bodied members of my family living off welfare instead of working, you know there was no way in hell they were going to vote for anyone other than Obama. Welfare in and of itself isn't the problem...lazy-ass people with a sense of entitlement is the problem. If they have no incentive to work, why the hell would they? So basically I, and every other American with a job, is paying for my family members to suck off the public teat and keep pumping out babies to get more money. It makes me sick.

That's their problem. I have never heard of a candidate proposing a system that can't be scammed. If they did, don't believe it. You can put in a system that excludes people who legitimately need help if you want but I think everyone's standard of living suffers if we have shantytowns and hoovervilles.

[X-Terminator]

That's their problem. I have never heard of a candidate proposing a system that can't be scammed. If they did, don't believe it. You can put in a system that excludes people who legitimately need help if you want but I think everyone's standard of living suffers if we have shantytowns and hoovervilles.

I'm not sure where in my response I said I wanted to put in a system that excludes people who legitimately need help, but OK. As I said, I don't have a problem with the welfare system. I simply want the wasted money saved and the scammers stopped dead in their tracks.

[Vis]

I'm not sure where in my response I said I wanted to put in a system that excludes people who legitimately need help, but OK. As I said, I don't have a problem with the welfare system. I simply want the wasted money saved and the scammers stopped dead in their tracks.

You didn't say that. My point is, you can't have the perfect system that covers everyone who needs it and catches everyone who's playing the system. It's like everything else, there are trade offs. If you want to increase police powers until there can be no crime you can do so at the expense of all freedom. Trade offs. Freedoms leave room for abuses.

[X-Terminator]

You didn't say that. My point is, you can't have the perfect system that covers everyone who needs it and catches everyone who's playing the system. It's like everything else, there are trade offs. If you want to increase police powers until there can be no crime you can do so at the expense of all freedom. Trade offs. Freedoms leave room for abuses.

Best you can do is put in work provisions, like many states already do. It's not perfect, but it's better than doing nothing and creating generations of welfare families. Some people would rather see that requirement eliminated, to which I say...are you out of your damn minds? Why shouldn't they have to work or at the very least attend college/tech school or some kind of career training in order to keep their benefits? We want more people off the public dole, not on it.

[BnG_Hevn]

If you took away government assistance then people who are able to work would be forced to work or they'd starve. How fast do you think they'd find work then?

If the government goes bankrupt, by definition they can't support the "needy" so that is exactly what would happen.

If that were to happen, the communities would need to step up and take care of themselves with the ones who are leeches getting a raw deal from the people that work for a living.

And guess what? If you have to explain to your fellow neighbors about needing money, that will certainly light a fire under you to NOT need their help. Getting help from the government is easy b/c you're just a number. Begging for help from your neighbors, who have an idea what you own in regards to materialistic items, is a whole 'nother story.

I wouldn't turn away anyone who is needy and if all hell breaks loose and I still am employed, I'll definitely help out via my local church but *NOT* if deadbeats benefit.

[ALLD]

Obama stripped the work provisions in welfare instituted under Clinton. We are screwed. The rich will be poor, but the poor will continue to be poor.

The national debt will inflate and the price of everything will escalate. There will also be limited growth which if the dumb college kids google Jimmy Carter and *stagflation, they will know what they voted for. I wish you all luck. Like I wrote in another thread, I would give up the Steelers winning the Super Bowl just to get rid of Barry. This election was more important than anything in the last 30 years including 9/11.

There will be a new generation called the "Lost Generation".

[Vis]

Let's see about your penetrating questions. Yes i work with a charity. no, it isn't one for the poor.

What can i say about small communities where everybody knows everybody being better than big cities where they don't at taking care of people? I can say we won't live in that kind of world again unless a plague kills two thirds of the population at least so it's useless to waste time on it. we have to deal with the cities we have at the populations we have. So answer my question - how would you deal with the cities we have at the population levels we have while insuring no one starves?

[Craic]

Let's see about your penetrating questions. Yes i work with a charity. no, it isn't one for the poor.

What can i say about small communities where everybody knows everybody being better than big cities where they don't at taking care of people? I can say we won't live in that kind of world again unless a plague kills two thirds of the population at least so it's useless to waste time on it. we have to deal with the cities we have at the populations we have. So answer my question - how would you deal with the cities we have at the population levels we have while insuring no one starves?

Sorry it took me a few days to get back to this...

Alright, so the charities issue: then hopefully you understand my point that charities, especially those who work for the poor, such as churches, really aren't homogeneous as you've described. In my experience, that aspect of the work of the church is about as heterogeneous as one can get in the country.

Small communities: that wasn't actually my question. My question was, what do we say about the fact that it was the big cities, where the democrats get most of the votes - that the people are known to step over others starving in the gutters where the smaller towns where that usually doesn't happen, are the ones that usually vote conservative? That was the question.

[GoSlash27]

I stayed up last night, as alot of you all did, to watch the election results and the surprising end, and one of the guest speaker's was O'Reilly. He of course talked of the voter's and the country's economy and problems. He mentioned how he was completely baffled how the voter's would accept the state of the economy, the welfare situation, the jobless situation at the highest ever, and still vote for O'bama. Then he made a comment that hit me....he said that the voter's just want 'stuff' from their government. They want things given to them. He generally mentioned that the majority running the country now is Hispanic, latino's, gay's, black and women. That anyone who watched and understood the country's situation and future would no way vote to repeat. Ummm....what say you?

O'Reilly is wrong. The exit polling was very clear that a plurality of voters wanted the budget balanced and thought that the government was doing too much.
Republicans who were not Mitt Romney did just fine last night and they did surprisingly well at the State level.
Voters didn't reject conservatism last night. They rejected Mitt Romney.

[Vis]

O'Reilly is wrong. The exit polling was very clear that a plurality of voters wanted the budget balanced and thought that the government was doing too much.
Republicans who were not Mitt Romney did just fine last night and they did surprisingly well at the State level.
Voters didn't reject conservatism last night. They rejected Mitt Romney.

all the idiots who talked about rape lost. Marriage equality won, pot is legal and there is an openly lesbian Senator. We'll take it.

That being said, please keep chasing a dwindling demographic. I don't mind.

[GoSlash27]

all the idiots who talked about rape lost. Marriage equality won, pot is legal and there is an openly lesbian Senator. We'll take it.

That being said, please keep chasing a dwindling demographic. I don't mind.

Not sure who you're directing that at, but if it's me you've got the wrong guy. I happen to agree with you on that part, though not in all the ways you'd expect.

[Vis]

Not sure who you're directing that at, but if it's me you've got the wrong guy. I happen to agree with you on that part, though not in all the ways you'd expect.

Directing what? The idiots were Akin and Moordoch. "Please keep chasing..." was directed at the GOP as a whole.