Mike Wallace = No Money.

[GodfatherofSoul]

Not even close it was a panic throw by ben and the db under cut the route.

Don't agree with this at all. If it's a panic throw (as Simms was suggesting in color commentation), then why did Wallace come to a stop in the middle of the field and turn around? That was a timing route. Maybe Ben should've thrown it a little more to the outside.

[Craic]

Do you really think he is worth $11,000,000 per season?

I'm hearing this all the time. Can you give me a link where he said he wants 11m a season?

[Steeldude]

I'm hearing this all the time. Can you give me a link where he said he wants 11m a season?

He turned down $10,000,000 per season

http://blog.triblive.com/steel-mill/...re-than-brown/

http://tracking.si.com/2012/07/28/mi...brown-holdout/

I can't see him signing for less than $10,000,000. You would think it would at be a million more, right?

He isn't worth over $2,000,000 a season, IMO.

[Drazo85]

Fact is that Mike Wallace is great asset to our offense and to Ben. His slow start should be attributed to offseason holdout and the fact Haleys offense isnt using his speed as much as Wallace would liked it. He isnt worth money he is asking for, but as someone said, somebody would pay him what he`s asking (read Daniel Snyder). Question is can we get something in return, or we just let him walk away whe free agency starts? As much as i would like that we get high draft pick for him, the later scenario seems more realistic.

[HollywoodSteel]

I'll let others debate what he's worth in dollar amount, but all I know is while I was watching him run for the TD, a scene from Full Metal Jacket flashed in my head, only in my mind I replaced "guts" with "speed."

Private Wallace is silly and ignorant, but he's got speed, and speed is enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X6x9JgueoA

[steeldawg]

He turned down $10,000,000 per season

http://blog.triblive.com/steel-mill/...re-than-brown/

http://tracking.si.com/2012/07/28/mi...brown-holdout/

I can't see him signing for less than $10,000,000. You would think it would at be a million more, right?

He isn't worth over $2,000,000 a season, IMO.

It was not turning down 50 million he turned it down because only 15 was guaranteed and he want 23 i think they will get there. This premise that the steelers wont pay him is ridiculous they already offered 50 mil.

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Don't agree with this at all. If it's a panic throw (as Simms was suggesting in color commentation), then why did Wallace come to a stop in the middle of the field and turn around? That was a timing route. Maybe Ben should've thrown it a little more to the outside.

It was because the play was never open ben threw it right into the coverage which he rarely does

[Steeldude]

It was not turning down 50 million he turned it down because only 15 was guaranteed and he want 23 i think they will get there. This premise that the steelers wont pay him is ridiculous they already offered 50 mil.

So you think he is worth that much? Who are you going to cut next season to make room?

As of now the Steelers should lower the offer. Look how he is playing during a contract year. I would hate to think how poorly he is going to play after he gets his millions.

[steeldawg]

So you think he is worth that much? Who are you going to cut next season to make room?

As of now the Steelers should lower the offer. Look how he is playing during a contract year. I would hate to think how poorly he is going to play after he gets his millions.

yes i do if brown is worth 8 wallace is definetly worth 10. I am looking how hes playing, hes on pace for 80 catches over 1000 yds and 10tds, if this considered a bad year for wallace then hes definetly worth the money. Apparently im not the only one who thinks he is worth it since the steelers offered him the money already. If you think his play has been poor then we might as well get rid of brown too, because his numbers are not outperforming wallace's. I keep hearing people saying hes playing poor and its not true did he drop some balls yes but he is still on pace for a very good season.

[GBMelBlount]

Right now I would offer him Brown money and lock up Sanders.

Imagine having the best receiving trio in the nfl locked up for the next 5 years for less than Megatron.

[Steeldude]

yes i do if brown is worth 8 wallace is definetly worth 10. I am looking how hes playing, hes on pace for 80 catches over 1000 yds and 10tds, if this considered a bad year for wallace then hes definetly worth the money. Apparently im not the only one who thinks he is worth it since the steelers offered him the money already. If you think his play has been poor then we might as well get rid of brown too, because his numbers are not outperforming wallace's. I keep hearing people saying hes playing poor and its not true did he drop some balls yes but he is still on pace for a very good season.

You don't get it. It's about more than just stats. Brown is a more complete WR. I would take Brown over Wallace every time. I know the effort will be there with Brown.

Who are you suggesting gets cut next year to pay for Wallace's huge contract?

im not the only one who thinks he is worth it since the steelers offered him the money already

Because the Steelers are never wrong? I do remember a certain QB who was given a substantial raise. I am all for keeping Wallace, but at the right price.

[steeldawg]

You don't get it. It's about more than just stats. Brown is a more complete WR. I would take Brown over Wallace every time. I know the effort will be there with Brown.

Who are you suggesting gets cut next year to pay for Wallace's huge contract?




Because the Steelers are never wrong? I do remember a certain QB who was given a substantial raise. I am all for keeping Wallace, but at the right price.

Well you keep the reciever who scores 2 tds a year i will take wallace who scores 10 is a game changer and a commands double teams.

[Steeldude]

Well you keep the reciever who scores 2 tds a year i will take wallace who scores 10 is a game changer and a commands double teams.

I'll take the goto WR(Brown) every time when the game is on the line. I haven't seen Wallace commanding double teams this year.

You need to learn there is more to receiving than stats. I am guessing you were an Allen Iverson fan.

Who do you suggest the Steelers cut to make room for Wallace's huge contract?

[zulater]

I'd venture to say Emanuel Sanders is a more complete receiver than Wallace and could fill Wallace's role and actually upgrade it. Every wonder why Wallace doesn't return kicks? Why he generally is mediocre on end arounds? Because he runs stiff at the hips and is basically a straight line runner. Sanders is half a step slower than Wallace, but runs better patterns, has much better hands, and is more dangerous after the catch in traffic.

So my prediction is that the Steelers will try to keep Wallace. Because 3 good young receivers are better than two obviously. But if Wallace prices himself out of the Steelers comfort level ( about 98% certainty he will) then the Steelers will move on without him.

And just as was true when Burress and Holmes left the Steelers will adjust and their passing game will continue to thrive.

Bottom line, Wallace is a good player, but not even close to a great player, and doesn't deserve to be paid as an elite receiver, and wont be by the Steelers. So enjoy him this year. Appreciate him for what he is. But also recognize what he isn't. And what he isn't is elite or irreplacable.

[Lou Donny]

We talked about this during the latest Rooney Rants Podcast. We were somewhat divided on his future in BnG. He just doesnt seem to have the intangibles that usually accompany a guy that the Rooneys sign to more than one contract.

That speed sure is intoxicating, but something is missing with him.

[86WARD]

29 TDs ... Where's that production going to come from?

For the record, despite all the "drops," he's on pace to have more receptions than he's ever had in a season, 10 TDs and he's averaging more per rush than the golden child.

Yet he's still the most criticized player on the team because he held out.

BTW - Josh Cribbs returns punts...lol.

All facts.

[steelpride12]

I don't even see how this can be a thread until the end of the season when this situation becomes relevant.

[Craic]

I don't even see how this can be a thread until the end of the season when this situation becomes relevant.

Exactly. For all we know, he may light it up in a couple weeks, and be the best receiver this team has every seen for the rest of the year. The best we can say now is:

So far, Wallace hasn't shown that he's worth a big contract.

[zulater]

29 TDs ... Where's that production going to come from?

For the record, despite all the "drops," he's on pace to have more receptions than he's ever had in a season, 10 TDs and he's averaging more per rush than the golden child.

Yet he's still the most criticized player on the team because he held out.

BTW - Josh Cribbs returns punts...lol.

All facts.

Is he as good as Burress was from 2001-2004? Is he better than Santonio was in 2007-08? What happened the year after both of those "IRREPLACABLE " number 1 receivers left?

Look everyone prefer they find a way to keep him. But it's probably not going to happen. So enjoy it this year. But also don't panic if and when he leaves. The Steelers will go on and succeed.

Ben is the only irreplacable on this team.

[steeldawg]

I'd venture to say Emanuel Sanders is a more complete receiver than Wallace and could fill Wallace's role and actually upgrade it. Every wonder why Wallace doesn't return kicks? Why he generally is mediocre on end arounds? Because he runs stiff at the hips and is basically a straight line runner. Sanders is half a step slower than Wallace, but runs better patterns, has much better hands, and is more dangerous after the catch in traffic.

So my prediction is that the Steelers will try to keep Wallace. Because 3 good young receivers are better than two obviously. But if Wallace prices himself out of the Steelers comfort level ( about 98% certainty he will) then the Steelers will move on without him.

And just as was true when Burress and Holmes left the Steelers will adjust and their passing game will continue to thrive.

Bottom line, Wallace is a good player, but not even close to a great player, and doesn't deserve to be paid as an elite receiver, and wont be by the Steelers. So enjoy him this year. Appreciate him for what he is. But also recognize what he isn't. And what he isn't is elite or irreplacable.

He doesnt return kicks because hes our number one receiver and we dont want to get him hurt. Also i dont see what returning kicks has to do with receiver, devon hester is one of the best returners ive ever seen and he cant run a route to save his life.

[Psycho Ward 86]

I'd venture to say Emanuel Sanders is a more complete receiver than Wallace and could fill Wallace's role and actually upgrade it.

[zulater]

He doesnt return kicks because hes our number one receiver and we dont want to get him hurt. Also i dont see what returning kicks has to do with receiver, devon hester is one of the best returners ive ever seen and he cant run a route to save his life.

Santonio Holmes was our number one receiver, and guess what he returned kicks! Why? Because he could.

Wallace was a 3rd round draft pick and came on to a team with 2 established receivers. ( Ward and Holmes) Yet even as a rookie he was never put in a kick returner. Why? Because he would suck at it. There's a difference between being fast (straight line speed) and being fast and shifty. That's why he's not nearly as dangerous on wr screens as Brown and Sanders are.

I'm not "hating" on Wallace. I'm glad he's on the team this year.But if he's not on the team next year, guess what? I'm not surprised, nor do I care. The Steelers will be just fine if and when he leaves due to excessive contract demands.

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Wait and see. 2013 is closer than you think.

[steeldawg]

I'll take the goto WR(Brown) every time when the game is on the line. I haven't seen Wallace commanding double teams this year.

You need to learn there is more to receiving than stats. I am guessing you were an Allen Iverson fan.

Who do you suggest the Steelers cut to make room for Wallace's huge contract?

First, goto receivers dont catch only 2 tds in a season, second im not saying stats are everything but im also not going to totally dismiss them. The stats do tell the story of what happens on the field, lets just be clear last season brown only caught 3 more first downs than wallace did, so i really dont see the ball going to him for first downs that much more than wallace. As far as cutting people we may not have to we can do some restructuring or cut if we have to we have many aging defenders.

[Count Steeler]

I don't see Hampton on our roster next year. Harrison is 50/50 at this point. I'm sure others will restructure.

Bottom line is, does Wallace fit in Haley/Tomlin future. They will decide and they will make it happen. If the price tag is unreasonable, he will be in a different uniform. If he wants to win SBs, he will stay.

[zulater]

First, goto receivers dont catch only 2 tds in a season, second im not saying stats are everything but im also not going to totally dismiss them. The stats do tell the story of what happens on the field, lets just be clear last season brown only caught 3 more first downs than wallace did, so i really dont see the ball going to him for first downs that much more than wallace. As far as cutting people we may not have to we can do some restructuring or cut if we have to we have many aging defenders.

The Steelers don't overpay for anyone. If the Steelers weren't willing to satisfy Wallace's contract demands this offseason, why do you think it's going to be different next offseason?

[steeldawg]

Santonio Holmes was our number one receiver, and guess what he returned kicks! Why? Because he could.

Wallace was a 3rd round draft pick and came on to a team with 2 established receivers. ( Ward and Holmes) Yet even as a rookie he was never put in a kick returner. Why? Because he would suck at it. There's a difference between being fast (straight line speed) and being fast and shifty. That's why he's not nearly as dangerous on wr screens as Brown and Sanders are.

I'm not "hating" on Wallace. I'm glad he's on the team this year.But if he's not on the team next year, guess what? I'm not surprised, nor do I care. The Steelers will be just fine if and when he leaves due to excessive contract demands.

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Wait and see. 2013 is closer than you think.

I dont think the case is that he doesnt return kicks because he cant considering he broke his highschools record for kick returns and also returned kicks for his last 2 seasons at mississippi.

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The Steelers don't overpay for anyone. If the Steelers weren't willing to satisfy Wallace's contract demands this offseason, why do you think it's going to be different next offseason?

They over paid brown!! 8 mil a season !!! for what a possession receiver?

[zulater]

I dont think the case is that he doesnt return kicks because he cant considering he broke his highschools record for kick returns and also returned kicks for his last 2 seasons at mississippi.

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They over paid brown!! 8 mil a season !!! for what a possession receiver?

1. High school and college aren't the Pros's. If it was Willie Reid would be returning kicks for the Steelers right now.

2. I'm pretty sure the Steelers are quite happy with the contract they gave Antonio Brown and outside of you and a few other's who have put Wallace on a pedastal and look to divide the fanbase over one player, no one thinks he was overpaid.

[steeldawg]

1. High school and college aren't the Pros's. If it was Willie Reid would be returning kicks for the Steelers right now.

2. I'm pretty sure the Steelers are quite happy with the contract they gave Antonio Brown and outside of you and a few other's who have put Wallace on a pedastal and look to divide the fanbase over one player, no one thinks he was overpaid.

Lol yes im trying to divide the fanbase,thats a bit dramatic dont you think. there is also plenty of opinions out there that brown is overpaid, one decent season and he gets an 8 mil a year deal

[Count Steeler]

Lol yes im trying to divide the fanbase,thats a bit dramatic dont you think. there is also plenty of opinions out there that brown is overpaid, one decent season and he gets an 8 mil a year deal

Let's not forget who won MVP last year, as voted on by his teammates. That speaks volumes to me.

[bayz101]

Antonio Brown made a big play against Baltimore in the playoffs. A game-changing play that ultimately won the Steelers the game. I have yet to see that from Mike Wallace. He can do everything in the world in the regular season, but if he can't step it up when it matters, he isn't worth the piece of gum I stepped on outside my porch this morning.

[zulater]

Lol yes im trying to divide the fanbase,thats a bit dramatic dont you think. there is also plenty of opinions out there that brown is overpaid, one decent season and he gets an 8 mil a year deal

http://www.steelersuniverse.com/foru...-Antonio-Brown

Apparently not so much as you believe.