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Interesting, just got back from Niagara Falls NY. Saw some autographed mini helmets for sale. Prices as follows:
Rocky Blier 69.99
Mel Blount 79.99
Chuck Noll 99.99
Joe Greene 114.99
Jack Lambert 119.99
Hines Ward 164.99
Mike Wallace (only current active Steeler at this stand) 115.00
For whatever that is worth.
Again, the Steelers offered him $50 million. If they were really concerned about their cap number next season, they would not have offered him that much. Again, this is not MLB or the NHL or NBA. AAV does not matter in the NFL because cap money can be shifted to the last years of the deal. If the Steelers really want to re-sign Wallace, they can, and they will.Originally Posted by Seven
Not much, since Wallace's is priced higher than MJG's and Blount's.
I've explained it more than once. You're pretty much the only person who can't see it. I'll give you one example...after that, you can figure things out on your own. Sanders 30+ yard reception against the Chiefs. Wallace had a huge part in pulling two defenders away from Sanders which enabled him to go for much more yardage than he normally would have. Watch the tape. That's besides the 213 receptions and 30 TDs he's brought to the table over his first 4 seasons. I'm sure though, that's easily replaced...right? Lol.I have brought up his his route running, skills, hands and concentration before this season.
I have criticized Brown many times. From his fumbles to his disrespectful celebration. Unlike you, I don't play favorites with players. They are all subject to criticism when they screw up.
I believe for the third time you have dodged my question. I will ask again. What does Wallace bring besides his 40 time? Will you dodge a 4th time? Your statement that Wallace is the reason passes are available underneath is absurd. Also, that doesn't answer my question. That merely shows once again that all you can think of is his 40 time. Did you know most WRs on fly patterns draw the attention of the safety? Remember when Washington was here? He isn't as fast as Wallace, but he drew the safety's attention.
So let's recap. Your entire belief on what makes a WR is a 40 time. You don't seem to care if he can catch, run routes, block, put forth effort or play special teams.
How is listing what a WR can and cannot do irrelevant in determining his worth? Can you explain or will you run away again...lol?
Now don't forget to answer my question about what Wallace brings besides his 40 time. I think we all know why do keep dodging it
Ironically today, a bunch of receivers didn't stop, comeback to the ball and catch it at its highest point...lol...yet the scored TDs...imagine that...
As for you "reach" of an argument about punt returns. Receivers don't need to return punts to get paid. Larry Fitzgerald. Never returned a punt. Elite receiver. Calvin Johnson. Never returned a punt. Elite receiver. Antwan Randle El. Returned quite a few punts. Not elite. Dante Hall. Returned quite a few punts. Not an elite receiver. Stefan Logan. Returns punts. Barely an NFL player. Josh Cribbs. Returns punts. Not even an average receiver. I mean we could go on and on and on and on about how one doesnt really matter to the other when critiquing a receivers talents. To use it as a reason to say someone shouldn't get paid because they cant return punts...dumb. Because really, when it comes to getting paid as a receiver, it doesn't matter all that much. See the first two examples. They got a pretty nice chunk of change for not returning punts...oh, but I bet they could've gotten so much more if they had right?!? By your logic, the Steelers should've kept Santonio Holmes because...you know, he could catch and return punts...lol.
But your right, I don't care if a guy catches funny...doesn't block as well as Hines Ward...doesn't (lol) participate on special teams because he's caught 213 balls and 30 TDs...you're right.
But like I said...keep on hating...
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And again you fail to understand. WRs have been receiving double teams long before Wallace's arrival. Sending Wallace long draws the attention of the safety. Sending anyone long generally draws the attention of the safety, more so when the player has speed.. Again, you bring up Wallace's 40 time. I asked what else does he bring besides his 40 time? You have refused to answer 4 times now. The only conclusion remaining is that you are saying the only thing Wallace brings is his 40 time.
Wallace is no Fitzgerald or Johnson. Fitzgerald brings good route running, great hands, effort, good fundamentals, great size and above average speed. I asked what does Wallace bring besides his 40 time. I neither said nor implied Wallace needs to return punts/kicks. I am trying to explain the more you do the more valuable you are to the team.
I was glad when Holmes was let go. He wanted too much money. His hands were average and he was a headcase.
How is listing what a WR can and cannot do irrelevant in determining his worth? Can you explain or will you run away again...lol?
If Wallace ran a 4.7 40 time would he draw double-teams as much? Yes or no?
Let's see if you dodge the question again. What does Wallace bring besides his 40 time?
If Wallace could return punts and kicks would it increase his value? Yes or no?
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Good thing I made this topic.
Inexcusable, Mikey.
They should trade Wallace for 1st round pick as soon as possible.
nobody would pay the price , if they where willing they would have snagged him up during FA when he was a restricted FA and had him for the entire season ...besides the trading deadline has already passed
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not only did he have a fumble which afterwards took the O out of it after that play i realize byron on hopped the ball to him in the 4th, but he could have tried to um i dont know DIVE for it at elast make a effort it was close enough for that.
For those i love i will sacrifice.
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The million dollar question: What does Wallace bring other than his 40 time? Answer: Lack of ball control, invisibility in the fourth quarter and ZERO effort on challenging catches.
Yeah, I think it's safe to say now that Wallace has played himself out of Pittsburgh. Not a good performance from him at all tonight.
bad performance tonight but he will bounce back
And once again, you fail to comprehend. I must be honest...it's so difficult arguing with a person who just doesn't understand everything that goes into on-field play. Please watch a game film and take your eye off the ball...for once. You'll notice all kinds of things that you didn't even realize were going on. You may even grasp the concept of football a little more than just watching the ball. It's actually quite amazing when you do. lol.
Anyway, you can continue to discount all his receptions and his TDs for the past four seasons and again continue to avoid my question of ... who is going to replace that? Where are you going for that kind of production? You fail to answer...again.
As for the punt question? would it increase his value? No...not necessarily. Go back to my examples. There are plenty of receivers who get paid good money and don't return kicks...lol. The examples are endless. So is Antonio Brown a $2.5M receiver and a $5.5M punt returner...cause you know his production (other than yardage) was way behind Wallace's...so it's only natural that he be paid less for his receiving services and much, much more for his punt services. lol. Then what happens when Brown stops returning punts...like all receivers typically do once they become valuable to the offense? Does he give that portion back? I mean it's just a dumb question and a dumb critique of Wallace. Again, another "reach" because of his holdout...which by the way, you never answered, are you still upset about the holdout?
lol...love it....
If you want, I can probably find pictures of Wallace catching with his hands. Catching a short pass, running with the ball and scoring from 51 yards out. I might even be able to find a couple of him giving up a pretty good effort. Not sure I can find one of him coming back and catching the ball at it's highest point, but I can try.
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Would never get it...didn't get it in the off season either.
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That effort was pretty poor...at least go down for it and make it look good. There were a lot of plays out there that the receivers should have been making and a lot of coverage pressures on Leftwich. Cothcery should've had that pass at the end too...he had a couple drops. All around a shitty effort by the pass game.
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Lack of footwork on the play in the end zone. Still think they shouldn't have even made that call. Run three times.
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Wallace disappearing yet again in the second half of the season...
"If you are holding on to something that you no longer need to hold on to, I encourage you to let go." - Rashard Mendenhall
No, he was quite noticeable tonight, for all the wrong reasons, though.
Mike Wallace was quite noticeable.
He was noticeable in that he didn't do a damn thing. We have Cash Money (Brown), Sweet Money (Sanders), and No Money(Big Mouth Wallace).
For the past year, Wallace has been playing like a guy who the other teams have figured out. Simple as that.
He hasn't come up with a counter to it yet, and I'm not terribly inclined to gamble $50M on whether he will one day or not. It always sucks to lose a big-name receiver, but we've gotten over it before without missing a beat.
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The lack of effort on the one bouncer from Lefty sickens me. Awful pass but it COULD have been caught.
"If you are holding on to something that you no longer need to hold on to, I encourage you to let go." - Rashard Mendenhall
Same. But not so sure it could've been caught, but a fake effort could've been made...to make it look like there was an effort. Even a kneel down to get it instead of hunching over to leisurely grab it as playing catch in the back yard and not wanting to spill your beer...while talking to some fugly broad that you think is good looking cause you had 15 beers already.
I don't want to see that stone handed bum play again, and if Momlin had any resemblence of a backbone, he'd bench him
Not sure if Momlin was a typo, but it's priceless!!! LMAO!
Credit goes to Stillers.com
Didn't think that site was still online. But I'm not surprised it came from there.
And BTW, who are you going to replace him with? Gilreath? The guy who nearly fumbled away the game last week? Yeah, that's a good idea.
Like him or not, Wallace will be playing, and he should be playing, because despite his struggles he's still one of the best WR on the team.
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Mike Wallace once again vanishing in the second-half of the season. Only difference is he wasn't remarkable at all in the first half, either.
He gave zero effort on the 3rd down pass with roughly 4:30 to play. That killed the Steelers' last drive. Way to go Wallace. Also, pathetic footwork on the TD pass. Oh well, he runs fast so that's all that matters. Right?
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I've been a Wallace supporter the whole season, im still rooting for him but slowly my mind is thinking he just dont care or there is a lack of effort. Keep waiting on him to have a break out game or a clutch catch this yr nothing. Even on that last play of game when the ball was snapped he didnt even move he acted like the whistle blew or game was over before snap just no effort. Still hoping he can help us down the strecth without brown we stil need him, Sanders showed me alot of effort tonight like the way he stepped up only 3 catches but 82 yds and a nice diving catch
I will judge Wallace when the season is over, but so far he hasn't impressed. For a player who wants a huge contract, he doesn't seem to be playing for it.
You are willfully refusing to comprehend. It's why you dodge questions.
Let's try again...
- If Wallace ran a 4.7 40 time would he draw double-teams as much? Yes or no?
- What does Wallace bring besides his 40 time? You have dodged answering 5 times. Will it be a 6th time? So far you have only brought up his 40 time.
- How is listing what a WR can and cannot do irrelevant in determining his worth?
So you are saying the more a WR does the less he is worth and the less he does the more he is worth. I am really scratching my head to understand how you logically come to the conclusion that an added skill does not make a person more valuable.
No one said or implied it otherwise. You are the one spinning in circles over it. No one is ignoring his stats over the last few years, but you keep thinking that because you have no leg to stand on. We are determining what Wallace brings and what it is worth in terms of the cap situation. The cap is not a friendly one in 2013."There are plenty of receivers who get paid good money and don't return kicks"
I already answered about his holdout. It was an expected holdout. You seem to be the one hurting over it, not me. Wallace's holdout only hurt himself. The holdout has nothing to do with his play on the field. I wouldn't care if he was still holding out.
This is his contract year and look what he gives....pathetic effort on a needed 3rd down. I can only imagine it being worse effort when/if he signs. Obviously that was all the effort he could give, right? That's not the first time he has given poor effort.
From another WR with a good 40 time. Keep in mind the offense has changed. No more school yard football where BR runs around for 8 seconds. Nate Washington started only 7 games with the Steelers. He compiled 104 receptions, 1706 yards, 12 TDs and 16.4 yards per reception. Now imagine if he started for those 3 years. You seem to think a WR who can run fast is irreplaceable."Where are you going for that kind of production?"
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Lol...go back and re-read and re-read and re-read and re-read again. It's there. Review the thread and get back to me after you find the 6 times I've explained it to you and let me know that you understand it. Until you learn to accept the answers I've given, that apparently are above your comprehended football knowledge, I can't bring myself to continue a conversation with someone who just fails to understand the deeper ins and outs of an NFL offense. If you're looking for: Wallace brings hands, effort and footwork to the table, like I said, I could provide pictures for you that he's done that, but at this point you, chasing your own tail, could google it or YouTube it and find the same thing. Lets be honest, you can critique every receiver if you wanted, you just choose to overly criticize Wallace and nitpick him because of the holdout. Don't lie and say you don't.
As for replacing him with a good 40-time...yeah...worked out well for the Raiders...many times. Has worked out well with the Browns and Josh Cribbs...lol. Did I mention Cribbs returns punts? Oh joy!!!
I've never said that Wallace didn't deserve criticism. I've been one of his critics, I just find it hilarious that every little thing he does is now all of a sudden under a microscope, conveniently after the holdout...lol. Where were all the criticisms before?
Like I said, continue being butt hurt over Wallace's holdout, continue over analyzing and overly critiquing him because of it and be happy with your life. It's not all bad "dude." Seriously...it's not...lol.
I'll go talk to this brick wall now...at least it understands some concepts of football.
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This notion that posters here are upset with Wallace over the holdout is nonsense. People are upset with him because he is playing like a fifth stringer.
"If you are holding on to something that you no longer need to hold on to, I encourage you to let go." - Rashard Mendenhall
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