This game is fixed!

[Craic]

Gotta wonder if Clark will get fined/suspended for the bogus penalty, though...

You all know where I fall on this issue normally - the players know the rule and it's their fault if they can't hit within them. But if he gets fined for that hit, I'll be some kind of upset. It was one of the best hits I've seen in quite some time.

Matter of fact, that play was within the rules from EVERy angle. 1. he didn't launch. 2. He didn't hit him with his helmet. 3. He hit below the shoulder. Hence, it wasn't a spearing, a hit on a defenseless receiver.

The only think CLOSE that I could imagine, was the timing of the hit. But even then, in slow motion, the ball was by when he hit him, but in real time, that play was too bang bang.

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DA GIANTS PAYED DA REFS!!!

[st33lersguy]

bad spot

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The refs give challenge to the Steelers. Wow!

[steeldevil]

Clearly the nfl wants the giants to win beause of the hurricane...

[st33lersguy]

Clearly the nfl wants the giants to win beause of the hurricane...

No, it's because Goofdell has a disdain for the Steelers because they won't go along with his stupid rule changes

[steeldevil]

BEAT THEM AND THE REFS IN THEIR HOUSE

[X-Terminator]

Let this be a lesson to all Whinehawk fans. Good teams find a way to overcome awful officiating. Gotta say this is pretty damn satisfying...even if I didn't watch one second of it (which thankfully will be the last game I miss until Dec. 16).

[Count Steeler]

HELL YA!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fansince'76]

I'm not gonna bitch like a Seahawks fan. Just gotta fight through it. We've done it before.

Perseverance.

That's what it's called, Suckhawk fans.

[Count Steeler]

Obstacles on the path to VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!! WHOO!!!!!!!!

[Godfather]

Yep.

LOSERS blame the zebras. WINNERS overcome bad officiating.

[st33lersguy]

I haven't seen a team overcome such crappy officiating to win so well since the Steelers in the 05 divisional game. Take that Justin Tuck, take that Goofdell, take that Refs

[stillers4me]

Eli asked for his money back.

[Steeldude]

Nevermind the fact that their going up against two of the best DL men in the NFL. Nevermind the fact that they're dominating the line in the Run game. Never mind that the rookie at Right Tackle has been worked over one time, and only one time in the half by one of the most dominating DL's in the league, or that said RT has sealed off holes on his side between him and the TE that has sprung the RB for at least two or three good runs.

No, this line is no better than the line last year, or the year before, or even the year before that. Of course that's the answer!

Did I say it was worse than last year? Yes or no?

You are content with the O-line and I expect more. We have different standards.

[Count Steeler]

Did I say it was worse than last year? Yes or no?

You are content with the O-line and I expect more. We have different standards.

You can't deny that they are showing signs of improvement. That is 3 games in a row with a 100 yard rusher. Yes, they allowed some sacks today, but they were playing against, probably, the best D Line in the league.

[Edman]

This is how you beat bad officiating.

Seattle should take notes.

[tube517]

Perseverance.

That's what it's called, Suckhawk fans.

"Just play". I remember that from Cowher on the BS polamalu call in the Indy game. They kept fighting and won. Just like they did here.

[Craic]

Did I say it was worse than last year? Yes or no?

You are content with the O-line and I expect more. We have different standards.

No, you said that the line sucks. That is the common thought of the line for the last few years and why I believed that you were equating them. Maybe being more specific in the assessment would help clarify. For me, the fact is, this line is the best that's it's been since the 2005 season (maybe 06). Am I happy with the sacks today? Not in in the least. But what I am happy with, is the fact that they are opening holes for the running game finally; the fact that they are dominating at times on the LoS; the fact that when it counted today, the line kept Ben upright. Is there room for improvement? Sure. But sucks? After the last few years? That's the kind of assessment I'd expect from a bandwagon fan when the wheels fell off, someone who hasn't been following this team as much as you or I have. I know your not a bandwagon fan, and I know you've followed the team closely, so when you say "sucks," what else am I to assume?

[stillers4me]

Pittsburgh Dad‏@Pittsburgh_Dad3...2...1...win! I was gonna let you kids stay up late but the refs overturned that call too.

[steelpride12]

Update: Steelers were awarded 2 wins for tonight's game for beating the Giants and the refs!

[X-Terminator]

Did I say it was worse than last year? Yes or no?

You are content with the O-line and I expect more. We have different standards.

If your standard is perfection (and for you, it usually is), then you will never, ever be happy. Archie Bunker fits you perfectly.

[steeldevil]

The oline is run blocking better than it has since AT LEAST 2006.

And the pass blocking is better than the past few years, although some of that is because of the change in offense.

Keep it up Big Uglies!!

[zulater]

Re-read the OP - or the thread title. Do YOU think the game is fixed? Cause the OP sure does.

And honestly, there's been two bad calls. Very bad calls, but that's it. The others looked bad, but in hindsight, were the right calls. And as I said, Clark's hit was very clean - but he isn't going to get the benefit of the doubt until he proves that he consistently hits cleanly. See my last post under "You reap what you've sown."

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On runbacks like that, those blocks often happen. It's pretty common, actually. Remember the same thing happening on Harrison's runback in the SB.

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Nope. I can completely let go of the ball and push it five yard down the field. The question is, did he have CONTROL of the ball. The answer is "no." He lost control before his arm went forward. After that, it doesn't matter where the ball ended up.

The "OP" in the moment was really pissed at some especially bad calls that cost the Steelers 11 points! Do I think the game was fixed? No, and regardless of outcome once the game ended I would have cooled down and chalked it up to some piss poor officiating. And then would also say the league needs to start making these refs accountable. If players can be fined and suspended for bad judgement on a hit when things are moving 100 mph around them, then why can't refs be held to a higher standard and be punished for using bad judgement? Particularly when the call's affect the score on the field.


Do I apoligize for this thread? Hell no! I post like a guy on a bar stool next to you and give a running commentary to events as they unfold. The Steelers got hit by an early barrage of terrible calls that adversly affected them on the scoreboard and I was far from alone in voicing my outrage, both here and on twitter.

[GBMelBlount]

I'm not gonna bitch like a Seahawks fan. Just gotta fight through it. We've done it before.

Good call Gary.

[zulater]

When someone posts something like this does anyone really take it literally? To me the message board is a way to emotionally purge myself so I'm not screaming in the house upsetting the wife and dogs, and having the neighbors think I'm coming unhinged!

[steel striker]

Well i did lose my mind after a few of the BS calls but, they found a way to win this game that is all that matters. Today marked the third straight 100+ ground game and, the defense is strating to come together as well. I hope Rainey & Brown are ok.

[Craic]

When someone posts something like this does anyone really take it literally? To me the message board is a way to emotionally purge myself so I'm not screaming in the house upsetting the wife and dogs, and having the neighbors think I'm coming unhinged!

I understand that. But you do realize that your emotional purge ends up being purged on all of us humans that read it here... Not that I don't understand your need to do so, I was quite torqued off myself at the calls tonight. I mean, I'll even admit that at one point I thought maybe the fix was in. That's actually how I was able to answer the post here, because I had to think myself through the same thoughts. I mean, until I saw the replay of the fumble and the explanation of the rules, it DID look bad!

[86WARD]

Goodell gave the order for the Giants to win this one for a feel good recovery story.

Lol...probably true!

[Steeldude]

You can't deny that they are showing signs of improvement. That is 3 games in a row with a 100 yard rusher. Yes, they allowed some sacks today, but they were playing against, probably, the best D Line in the league.

I agree they are showing signs of improvement. My beef had more to do with the pass protection than the running game. I realize the Giants front four is very good, but some of those plays should not have been so easy for the Giants.

Perhaps the adjective "sucks" was too strong of a word : )

[Steeldude]

If your standard is perfection (and for you, it usually is), then you will never, ever be happy. Archie Bunker fits you perfectly.

I expect consistently good or better. Why settle for mediocrity?

The term Archie Bunker isn't accurate, Gloria : )

PS: I am happy right now. The wife isn't home. She is probably wasting money somewhere, but she isn't home. It's not the perfect setting, but I am happy

[zulater]

I understand that. But you do realize that your emotional purge ends up being purged on all of us humans that read it here... Not that I don't understand your need to do so, I was quite torqued off myself at the calls tonight. I mean, I'll even admit that at one point I thought maybe the fix was in. That's actually how I was able to answer the post here, because I had to think myself through the same thoughts. I mean, until I saw the replay of the fumble and the explanation of the rules, it DID look bad!

I still call BS on the so called fumble. If you want to change the tuck rule, I'm all for it. But by the established standards of the tuck rule that was in fact a foward pass, and no amount of league apoligists will convince me otherwise. A few games back the Steelers won a reversal on the tuck rule on a fumble that was much more influenced by a defenders hit. That one ( can't remember which game?) I honeslty thought that one wouldn't have, and shouldn't have been reversed, though it was. This one, just like Ben, (who was in more of a position to know than any talking head or replay official) I was absolutely certain would be, and should have been reveresed.

That call isn't made the same from game to game. They either need to better define it, or better yet get rid of it, and if it looks like a fumble then it is.