Timmons not happy with $21,000 fine

[polamalubeast]

Lawrence Timmons got the dreaded at FedEx envelope at his locker this week -- the kind the NFL sends to players it has fined. Timmons said he was fined $21,000 for his hit on Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez. "What can you do? I was just playing ball," Timmons said. "I lowered my target like you're supposed to do. I can't help it if he slides or falls. It's a tough spot to be in." As for the fine, which is the NFL's minimum, Timmons said, "Any time you get fined, it's a lot of money." The take here? The fine was fair. I hear what Timmons is saying about Sanchez's helmet suddenly lowering, but Timmons launched himself like a missile. The NFL was right with this one. 3 minutes ago

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[ALLD]

James Harrison also received a $35k fine and he has not yet played this season.

[steeldawg]

Is any player ever happy about getting a fine? It is tough for players going a hundred miles per hour to change their body position at the split second the ball carrier does.

[GodfatherofSoul]

Only a band geek who never touched a football would impose fines like this. Tackling isnt like shootong a rifle.

[X-Terminator]

Is any player ever happy about getting a fine? It is tough for players going a hundred miles per hour to change their body position at the split second the ball carrier does.

In Roger-land, not only is it easy to do so, it's expected. The laws of physics do not exist in his world.

I need to see the hit, though, before I fully pass judgment.

[polamalubeast]

[X-Terminator]

You're kidding me, right? They did realize that Timmons led with his shoulder and not his head, on top of Sanchez dipping his head...right? Right?!?!?!?

Bullshit.

[Bluecoat96]

Only a band geek who never touched a football would impose fines like this. Tackling isnt like shootong a rifle.

Hey now....I'm offended!!

[suitanim]

Not surprised and I expected this. It's the new normal. Wrong, but, literally, what are you gonna do?

[steelreserve]

Hey, as long as they're handing out fines for things we can't control ... word has it someone just farted in Nicaragua. Am I going to get fined for that?

[steelreserve]

Not surprised and I expected this. It's the new normal. Wrong, but, literally, what are you gonna do?

piss all over the field is my guess.

[GBMelBlount]

You're kidding me, right? They did realize that Timmons led with his shoulder and not his head, on top of Sanchez dipping his head...right? Right?!?!?!?

Bullshit.

THIS is exactly what I thought when I watched the replay....absolute bull shit.

[silver & black]

Wow. That was a routine hit back in the day. No way that hit should get a fine. This shit is way out of hand.

[fansince'76]

Wow. That was a routine hit back in the day. No way that hit should get a fine. This shit is way out of hand.

Agreed. I thought Rahim Moore's fine for his hit on Emmanuel Sanders in week one was bogus as well.

[Count Steeler]

Yeah, well, we all knew it was coming. The replacements even flagged Timmons on the play. Not a surprise anymore. Not happy about it, but Goodell is not going to change the rules to appease us.

[steelerdude15]

Only a band geek who never touched a football would impose fines like this. Tackling isnt like shootong a rifle.

Well actually, Goodell played football until he graduated high school so lets put this rumor away that he never played.

[steelerdude15]

I don't know.... he did lead with his shoulder, but he could have gone lower. However, they weren't standing straight up either.

[Devilsdancefloor]

You're kidding me, right? They did realize that Timmons led with his shoulder and not his head, on top of Sanchez dipping his head...right? Right?!?!?!?

Bullshit.

the bad thing is it looked like sanchez was going to run the ball he was close to the line of scrimmage and dumped it real quick when he seen timmons coming like a freight train

[zulater]

He earholed him with his helmet. Yeah I get that Sanchez changed his head level, but not by a lot. Timmons went in blindly and led with his head. It wasn't dirty, but the result was enough to warrant the flag and fine.

Let me put it this way. If you have the game recorded, watch the replay. Forget the uniform. And then tell me that if someone did that to Ben you wouldn't want the flag and the fine?

[Shoes]

Here's a better look at it between the 48-50 second mark. He did lead with his helmet

[GodfatherofSoul]

ATTN: PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER TACKLED BEFORE

If you get low to tackle, your helmet will invariably be in FRONT of you when you make contact. If you stay high and chest-bump tackle, your helmet will slam facemask-to-facemask. The only possible way to tackle head-to-head in Goodell-Land is to turn your shoulder (which Timmons does), but that takes your eyes off the target so your aim WILL be off and you WILL be susceptible to a last second juke. This is a no-win situation when a QB runs straight at a tackler.

[steelreserve]

Here's a better look at it between the 48-50 second mark. He did lead with his helmet

Who cares. It shouldn't be a penalty or a fine unless it was a real cheapshot, and that wasn't a cheapshot.

Let me put it this way. If you have the game recorded, watch the replay. Forget the uniform. And then tell me that if someone did that to Ben you wouldn't want the flag and the fine?

And to answer that, no, I wouldn't want a penalty and a fine if somebody did it to Ben. It's a stupid rule and enforcing it on anyone contributes to ruining the game, regardless of who gets hit or who benefits from the call. I don't care if we were playing the Ravens and a hit like that knocked Ben out for 3 weeks; you cannot go around penalizing accidents. It's football - people are going to bonk heads and you cannot control that.

[fansince'76]

And to answer that, no, I wouldn't want a penalty and a fine if somebody did it to Ben. It's a stupid rule and enforcing it on anyone contributes to ruining the game, regardless of who gets hit or who benefits from the call. I don't care if we were playing the Ravens and a hit like that knocked Ben out for 3 weeks; you cannot go around penalizing accidents. It's football - people are going to bonk heads and you cannot control that.

Exactly. That's kinda why they wear helmets to begin with.

[X-Terminator]

Who cares. It shouldn't be a penalty or a fine unless it was a real cheapshot, and that wasn't a cheapshot.




And to answer that, no, I wouldn't want a penalty and a fine if somebody did it to Ben. It's a stupid rule and enforcing it on anyone contributes to ruining the game, regardless of who gets hit or who benefits from the call. I don't care if we were playing the Ravens and a hit like that knocked Ben out for 3 weeks; you cannot go around penalizing accidents. It's football - people are going to bonk heads and you cannot control that.

Yep. The only way you can eliminate head contact is to eliminate hitting and tackling. I'm sure Goodell would simply love that.

[zulater]

Guess what. For now until there no longer is a league that's going to be a penalty and a fine. So get used to it or find another sport.

Yeah I'd love to go back to what always was. But I was commenting on the reality of the current and future situation. And that's a penalty and fineable hit.

I'm not saying it's fair, not saying it's right. But it is what it is. And if someone earholes Ben like that I trust they'll have their check similarly adjusted.

[SteelGhost]

BULLSHIT !!

[Craic]

Who cares. It shouldn't be a penalty or a fine unless it was a real cheapshot, and that wasn't a cheapshot.

The rules CLEARLY state that you can not drive ANY part of your body through a QB's helmet, unless he has pulled the ball down and has turned into a runner. In this case, Sanchez NEVER showed himself as a runner and therefore, Timmons should have been aiming for his chest, not his head. And when Sanchez squated down a bit, Timmons could and should have adjusted for it. He is an NFL athlete and is responsible for being in control of his body. If he chooses to break clearly written rules, then he chooses to get fined. That's nobodies fault but his.

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9 (c) In covering the passer positions, Referees will be particularly alert to fouls in which defenders impermissibly use the helmet and/or facemask to hit the passer OR, use hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer forcibly in the head or neck area.

Sorry, that is the rules. Timmons was stupid enough to break them, he has to pay the fine.

I also fail once again to understand why people complain about Goodell when the NFLPA has to approve all rule changes. So if the league, AND the players as an association are in favor of the rule, how, exactly, does that make it Goodell's fault?

[bayz101]

I fail to see how running towards the line of scrimmage doesn't qualify one as a runner. Sanchez was already hugging the line, and he began moving TOWARDS it as Timmons moved in for the hit, and just like Harrison's hit on McCoy, Sanchez wimped out like the little bitch he is and threw it at the last second.

Timmons got screwed and he knows it, and can't do SHIT about it, because that's how things work now. Shit outta luck.

[Craic]

I fail to see how running towards the line of scrimmage doesn't qualify one as a runner. Sanchez was already hugging the line, and he began moving TOWARDS it as Timmons moved in for the hit, and just like Harrison's hit on McCoy, Sanchez wimped out like the little bitch he is and threw it at the last second.

Timmons got screwed and he knows it, and can't do SHIT about it, because that's how things work now. Shit outta luck.

Let's see.

Was the ball tucked like a RB? Nope.
Was his head down like a RB? Nope.
Was he looking down the field to throw the ball? Yep.
Was he cocking and recocking his arm? Yep.

Conclusion: He wasn't a runner. Moving TOWARDS the LoS doesn't make you a runner. And, by the way the entire defense is reacting, NONE of them thought he had turned into a runner. This is an argument you're not going to win, because the rules are clear, and he broke them - rules that the NFLPA approves of.

Now, once again, will someone please explain to me how whining about a ref's call and a subsequent fine that is CLEARLY spelled out in the rulebook means we're such a better fanbase than the Seahawks or Cardinals or Browns or Ravens or Bengals when their fans whine about ref's calls and/or subsequent fines? I mean, the justifications are hilarious.

[X-Terminator]

Let's see.

Was the ball tucked like a RB? Nope.
Was his head down like a RB? Nope.
Was he looking down the field to throw the ball? Yep.
Was he cocking and recocking his arm? Yep.

Conclusion: He wasn't a runner. Moving TOWARDS the LoS doesn't make you a runner. And, by the way the entire defense is reacting, NONE of them thought he had turned into a runner. This is an argument you're not going to win, because the rules are clear, and he broke them - rules that the NFLPA approves of.

Now, once again, will someone please explain to me how whining about a ref's call and a subsequent fine that is CLEARLY spelled out in the rulebook means we're such a better fanbase than the Seahawks or Cardinals or Browns or Ravens or Bengals when their fans whine about ref's calls and/or subsequent fines? I mean, the justifications are hilarious.

You know I respect the hell out of you, Preach, but if you're truly happy with the ongoing pussification of the league thanks to Goodell's rules (and they ARE his rules - he's the Commissioner, therefore he sets the tone), then you can have it. The rest of us prefer the way things always been, when hits like that wouldn't even have gotten a 2nd look, much less a fine. So therefore, we are going to speak up when we see complete horseshit like this. Defensive players are being handcuffed, not allowed to hit anyone, and apparently that's A-OK with you. This is football, not a square dance. Punish the cheap shots, and leave the rest of the damn game alone.