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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    As always, a picture is worth a thousand words. This is how ridiculous this is…



    With the historical exception of the US and UK (and even those aren’t reliable at this point), the ENTIRE world is against Israel. But let’s forget for now the ROW, and even the 1.3 billion muslims seething to eradicate Israel from the planet (their words). Let’s just look at the arabs cowering against that monolith of oppression and tyranny, Israel. Yes, Israel is that little green patch upper center right, and yes, the pink areas are the arabs. Stop laughing. The arabs are serious.

    The entirety of the Islamic world and the arab world (excepting, of course, Arab Christians) cannot bear the reality of a tiny little Jewish homeland anywhere, much worse, where it is. What is the big damn problem? Any reasonable neighbors would knock on the door and ask if they needed anything, and that is what the muslim book instructs the “brethren” to do… unless they’re Jews or Christians. I have experienced this personally.

    But, no. The arabs aren’t good neighbors. Instead they have repeatedly ganged up on their little neighbor that they outnumber by orders of magnitude. And each time the Israelis defended themselves. No, actually they rolled the arabs. They kicked their sniveling coward asses.

    “Oh, but ‘Palestine’…”. Bullshit. Palestine isn’t even a pimple on the ass of the arab world. In fact, palestine in history was, is, and ever shall be, even on its best day, and at it’s most, an administrative designation. That’s what it was to the Romans who gave “palestine” their name. That’s what it was to every invader and occupier over the millennia. That’s what it was to the Ottomans. That’s what it was to the British. That’s what it was to the League of Nations and the United Nations. And, as evidenced by the way the arabs have “welcomed” their Palestinian “brothers” into their homes, that is all palestinians are to the arabs. Well, let me corrent that. They’re “leverage”. That aforementioned towering monolith hasn’t been moved by vastly superior armies, so the gambit is now left to “world opinion”, or as is known, 4th Gen warfare. Recall that the world hates Israel.

    So the sniveling cowards have pulled back to their “kingdoms” and have surrounded Israel with surrogates. Some Westerners call the surrogates “terrorists”, some call them “freedom fighters”, some leftist elements call them “human rights activists.” Stop laughing dammit!

    Now we have the pathetic remnant of Lebanon (your “human rights activists” at work) providing hezbollah’s base of operations to the North, hamas cordoned off in the Gaza to the South, and achmadinashithead’s surrogate Syria to the Northeast, and, of course those happy-go-lucky palestinians within. All of that because of that tiny patch of real estate. It would be laughable if it weren’t so damn pathetic.

    Having failed, as feckless comewads do, to move the Israelis militarily, the sniveling cowards have resorted to what milfolk call “asymmetrical warfare”, or its arab designation, intifada. And it has been effective at tying up scarce and vital Israeli resources, and further galvanizing world opinion against Israel. So we saw the first and second “intifadas” of and we were left with images like these etched into our loving liberal “minds”.



    “Those poor beaten down palestinian ‘freedom fighters’ standing up to those nazi Israelis”. Indeed.
    The Gaza Strip has been blockaded by Israel and Egypt since June 2007, when hamas took control of palestinian territory, and for what both determined was good reason – hamas are terrorists.

    The “aid flotilla” spectacle is tactically part of the same strategy. So here we are - hamas holed up by Israel and Egypt. It’s a PR bonanza looking for an opportunity to happen. Run the blockade with an “aid flotilla”. Brilliant. Ignore that Israel and Egypt signaled an easing of the blockade, or that Israel offered to port the flotilla, inspect the cargo, and even transport it to “those in need”. No, this is intifada. They need the images.

    The “Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief”, or IHH, is an “islamic charity”. The IHH organized the flotilla. IHH "has publicly professed connections to Egypt's Islamic Brotherhood and the Hamas, and has been a central actor of fund raising and financing terror for Hamas around the world". So have our own CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations). And just as CAIR takes advantage of “muslim oppression” (no, really) here in the US to raise funds, so do the IHH and others worldwide use “bad” Israeli publicity for same.

    BTW, the IHH are based in Turkey. You may recall the slaughter of 2 million Christians in Turkey back in the 1920s. And just as “the holocaust never happened”, that “never happened”. Am I making linkage between that and the IHH? Yes. Yes I am. Islam.

    The IHH as a front for funding terrorist organizations and sending terrorists to countries such as Afghanistan, Bosnia and Chechnya. Numerous reports have described the heavy participation of the Global Muslim Brotherhood in the Gaza flotilla, and the intent of the Global Muslim Brotherhood to send another flotilla to Gaza. The IHH and al qaeda are part of the Muslim Brotherhood.
    They got their images. They got the video. But it wasn’t really what they wanted.

    The “activists” on the flotilla shouted anti-Jewish battle cries and spoke of using "resistance" against Israel, stating only two possible outcomes "either martyrdom or reaching Gaza" and "[Remember] Khaibar, Khaibar, oh Jews! The army of Muhammad will return!" Khaibar is the name of the last Jewish village defeated by Islam's prophet Muhammad in AD 628. The battle marked the end of the Jewish presence in Arabia. The main ship was named the MV Rachel Corrie, namesake of a far-left activist from the International Solidarity Movement who died in 2003 while serving as a human shield to protect a terrorist.

    The “religion of peace” my sweet infidel ass.

    Talk about collusion. This action was designed to use opinion as a weapon against Israel, a key component of 4th gen warfare.
    That map puts it into perspective. I noticed they left Iran and a few others "Muslim" (not Arab) states off though... so the "actual" resistance to Israel's existence is much higher. 5 of those nations attacked Israel in the late 60's in a surprise attack and were defeated by Israel in only 6 days... Even til this day they still just don't get it... The USA still does not even teach Israeli military tactics til this day because they can't be adequately explained... If GOD is with you, who can be against you...? Anyway... that's how I see it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by urgle burgle View Post
    everything else was funny, but, ya gotta admit, kindasleeza was a huge reach. i expected better.
    Not all of us can attain your own high standards, UB.
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    Umm... Vincent... How exactly is posting a picture of the Palestinian version of Tiananmen Square helping your case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer View Post
    Cry for the terrorists...


    Confirmed Hamas Leader Among Flotilla 'Activists'

    A confirmed terrorist leader was among the Gaza flotilla extremists aboard the Mavi Marmara on Monday, holding a Dutch passport.

    Amin Abu Rashed, 43, was among the militants arrested on the Turkish vessel following the vicious attack on Israeli Naval commandos who boarded the ship. The Palestinian Authority Arab holds a Dutch passport and operates out of Rotterdam as the leader of the Hamas terrorist network in the Netherlands. He has presented himself to Dutch media and others as a “human rights activist.”

    According to a report posted Tuesday on the Global Muslim Brotherhood Daily Report, Abu Rashed – also known as Amin Abu Ibrahim – was “one of the chief organizers of the Gaza flotilla.”

    According to the GMB Daily Report, “Previous posts have described the heavy participation of the Global Muslim Brotherhood in the Gaza flotilla, the Muslim Brotherhood background of the Al Jazeera journalist reporting from the Turkish ship involved in the confrontation, and the intent of the Global Muslim Brotherhood to send another flotilla to Gaza.”

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137859
    Curious that Ha'aretz doesn't mention this terrorist on the flotilla... You'd think this would be big news in Israel, and not just on the lunatic fringe funny pages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suitanim View Post
    The ministry of truth is now employing the euphemism "activists" for known terrorists and those known to support terrorists. It was clever of the terrorists to cloak this operation by including some hippy-dippy types, poets, and activists and such, ostensibly carrying humanitarian aid...

    Bottom line, this was a trap, and Israel fell into it...and now all the Jew haters and anti-Semites of the World can stand together and thump their chests in unison about how they've all been wronged.
    It's difficult for any non-Zionist anywhere in the world not to be labeled a terrorist by Israel, but it is impossible if you are a member of Hamas. Never mind that Hamas won a clear majority in 2006, and the Palestinians in Gaza have been punished ever since for daring to voting their conscience in free and fair elections. Never mind that Hamas has renounced suicide bombings, and withdrawn their call for an end to Israel. Never mind that Yassin and Rantissi both offered an end to armed resistance in exchange for the establishment of a Palestinian state and the answer from Israel for both of them was a "targeted killing" by rocket attack... what most people would call mass murder.

    Never mind that the vast majority of blood is on Israel's hands, nor that almost all of it was so before the First and Second Intifada... Never mind any of these things. Israel says you are a terrorist, then you are a terrorist... y punto. The IDF certainly is not a terrorist organization, no matter what the numbers might suggest, so wipe that thought from your minds immediately.

    To your last point, yes this was a trap. It was a trap that was set in the most public and open way possible, so it is mind-boggling that the trap worked at all, let alone so fabulously well, from the perspective of Hamas. Hence Mr. Cockburn's questioning of the intelligence of the current Israeli leadership. Heads had better roll in Tel Aviv, both for Gaza's sake as well as Israel's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suitanim View Post
    The ministry of truth is now employing the euphemism "activists" for known terrorists and those known to support terrorists. It was clever of the terrorists to cloak this operation by including some hippy-dippy types, poets, and activists and such, ostensibly carrying humanitarian aid...

    Bottom line, this was a trap, and Israel fell into it...and now all the Jew haters and anti-Semites of the World can stand together and thump their chests in unison about how they've all been wronged.
    You actually believe that a ship full of cement posed a legitimate danger to Israel. Do you realize the lengths you are going to excuse Israel's actions? You're saying that a group of "terrorists" coerced some hippies into taking supplies to Gaza, with the plan that Israeli soldiers would board the vessel, and it would make them look bad... That's ridiculous.

    An American aboard that ship was shot four times in the head! And you're going to blow it off by believing the cover story. Bottom line, it's Israel's fault that they boarded the boat in the middle of the night and killed a dozen people, and they deserve the backlash they're getting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer View Post
    Cry for the terrorists...
    Honestly, you'll let the state kill any foreigner if he has been labeled a "terrorist". Anyone connected to Hamas is a "terrorist" because Hamas fought Israel in a conflict that killed 1200 Palestinians and 13 Israelites.

    Flying planes into the World Trade Center is terrorism. Transporting cement to Gaza is not.

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    Thats all fine and dandy, keep your heads buried in the sand.


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    Quote Originally Posted by steelersfanman92 View Post
    Well actually Israel had legal reason to board the ship
    Dershowitz is a tool who thinks torture is effective, legal and constitutional... as long as it is Westerners doing the torturing and non-Westerners at the other end. Why his legal opinions matter at all is curious and telling.

    That he would cite the US blockade of Cuba as an example of how blockades are routine and uncontroversial is... odd. Obviously, the US had no legal problem with its own blockade - nor with the subsequent embargo on Cuba, via Helms-Burton and other laws. Never mind that the UN has declared the embargo illegal every single year since 1992. As for the blockade itself, it must be judged legal or not by the UN Security Council (not the US and certainly not Alan Dershowitz) who are the only legal arbiters of such things since 1945. Besides, if as a consequence of the blockade the US had blown up the planet - as we almost did - I'm confident the Security Council would have felt such action to be not only illegal, but disproportionate... if anyone were still alive, that is.

    Ask yourself if it would be legal for Europe to blockade the US whenever we elected a Republican president, because they disliked everything the party represented, and viewed them as a bad partner. Firstly, it's clearly illegal to do that. Secondly, can you think of a better way to bolster support for the Republican Party (or whatever party) than to have your foreign competitors and enemies blockade you for voting them in? In other words, Israel's blockade of Gaza is illegal and stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Patriot View Post
    You actually believe that a ship full of cement posed a legitimate danger to Israel. Do you realize the lengths you are going to excuse Israel's actions? You're saying that a group of "terrorists" coerced some hippies into taking supplies to Gaza, with the plan that Israeli soldiers would board the vessel, and it would make them look bad... That's ridiculous.

    An American aboard that ship was shot four times in the head! And you're going to blow it off by believing the cover story. Bottom line, it's Israel's fault that they boarded the boat in the middle of the night and killed a dozen people, and they deserve the backlash they're getting.
    Tho I'm not excusing anyone's actions, I can surely understand how Israel could believe a ship full of cement could pose a legitimate danger to them. There are 25 Arab countries (except maybe Jordan), and a wacko in Iran who would love to drive the Jews into the sea. After all, how many "innocent" suicide bombers were children, old men and women or passengers on a US air carrier. This problem will not go away anytime soon when Arab children are taught to hate Jews.
    I had a friend who was an IDF commando, he was searching a Palestinian school when he found math books worded to hate Jews. Like 15 dead Jews + 12 dead Jews = how many dead Jews?
    Think about how we felt after 911...we didn't know when, how, or by who the next terrorists attack would come....now think about having 25 Arab countries + Iran who are not looking for your best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricardisimo View Post
    Ask yourself if it would be legal for Europe to blockade the US whenever we elected a Republican president, because they disliked everything the party represented, and viewed them as a bad partner. Firstly, it's clearly illegal to do that. Secondly, can you think of a better way to bolster support for the Republican Party (or whatever party) than to have your foreign competitors and enemies blockade you for voting them in? In other words, Israel's blockade of Gaza is illegal and stupid.
    You can not compare those two. If the Republican Party had murdered Europeans like Hamas has, if the Republicans shot missles at unarmed and unsuspecting men, women, and children then yes a blockade would be warrented, but those are two completely diferent scenarios.

    I might be taking this a little personally due to the fact that I have friends fighting in the IDF and I am a huge supporter of Israel so I hold this issue pretty close to home.

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    More good Palestinian Democrats, no doubt


    Ohio couple arrested on terror conspiracy charges

    TOLEDO, Ohio (AP) -- Federal authorities have accused an Ohio couple of conspiring to provide thousands of dollars to a Mideast terrorist group.
    Authorities say the Toledo couple were arrested Thursday after an FBI informant gave them $200,000 cash, which they were preparing to hide in a vehicle to be shipped to Lebanon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Tho I'm not excusing anyone's actions, I can surely understand how Israel could believe a ship full of cement could pose a legitimate danger to them. There are 25 Arab countries (except maybe Jordan), and a wacko in Iran who would love to drive the Jews into the sea. After all, how many "innocent" suicide bombers were children, old men and women or passengers on a US air carrier. This problem will not go away anytime soon when Arab children are taught to hate Jews.
    I had a friend who was an IDF commando, he was searching a Palestinian school when he found math books worded to hate Jews. Like 15 dead Jews + 12 dead Jews = how many dead Jews?
    Think about how we felt after 911...we didn't know when, how, or by who the next terrorists attack would come....now think about having 25 Arab countries + Iran who are not looking for your best.
    Oh yeah, they definitively have reason to be paranoid, but remember, they raided this Turkish vessel in the middle of the night. No negotiations. They told them to stop in international waters, they didn't, and so they fired.

    Imagine if an Islamic country raided a US ship in international waters and killed a dozen people. How would we respond?

    [edit]: I shouldn't have included that last question. This is gonna turn into an Obama leadership discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelersfanman92 View Post
    You can not compare those two. If the Republican Party had murdered Europeans like Hamas has, if the Republicans shot missles at unarmed and unsuspecting men, women, and children then yes a blockade would be warrented, but those are two completely diferent scenarios.

    I might be taking this a little personally due to the fact that I have friends fighting in the IDF and I am a huge supporter of Israel so I hold this issue pretty close to home.
    You are absolutely right that we cannot compare these two. The Republican Party, in terms of body count, should really only be compared to the Democratic Party. Since 2000, 1072 Israelis have been killed as a direct result of the conflict (as opposed to 6,348 Palestinians.) We killed more than that (under a Republican president) in just one operation in Afghanistan in 2006, Operation Mountain Thrust. Add up all of the deaths in Afghanistan, Iraq, Panama, Grenada, the War on Drugs, the shootdown of Iran Air Flight 655 and so on and so forth... well, you have a party with a lot of blood on its hands.
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    The Truth about Mavi Marmara
    The Gaza Flotilla was organized by IHH, an organization that supports suicide bombers and Global Jihad, including Al-Qaeda.
    According the the Law of Maritime Neutrality, Israel had the full rights to board any ship trying to enter it's naval blockade, even while in international waters.
    Israel repeatedly offered to transfer the humanitarian aid to Gaza, but the protesters refused.
    Mavi Marmara's passengers prepared for a bloody, violent fight with caches of weapons.
    The IDF Navy commandos were armed only with paintball guns (!) in order to minimize any injuries. They had pistols as sidearms only to be used in case of clear and present danger to their lives.
    Upon descending into the top deck of Mavi Marmara, the IDF commandos were immediately surrounded and attacked with knives, clubs, slingshots, a fire bomb and pistols the violent mob wrested from them.
    One soldier was carried by the mob and thrown from the top deck to the bottom one - a 30 feet deep fall.
    Since Israel left the Gaza Strip in 2005 in hopes for peace, it only received thousands of rockets aimed at civilian centers in response.
    Israel enforces a naval blockade on Gaza in order to prevent the smuggling of more weapons and explosives into the hands of terrorists.
    Every week, Israel transports 15,000 tons of supplies and humanitarian aid to Gaza.
    Any country in the world has the right to protect it's borders, and the right to stop attempts of illegal entry into it's waters.
    All activists are receiving proper medical treatment, including the ones that tried to murder the Israeli troops.



    Peace activists normally carry an array of knives and steel poles right?

    http://idfspokesperson.com/2010/05/3...p-31-may-2010/

    IDF: Global Jihad links on flotilla
    By YAAKOV KATZ
    01/06/2010

    Fifty 'Mavi Marmara' passengers tied to global jihad network.



    Dozens of passengers who were aboard the Mavi Marmara Turkish passenger ship are suspected of having connections with global jihad-affiliated terrorist organizations, defense officials said on Tuesday, amid growing concerns that Turkish warships would accompany a future flotilla to the Gaza Strip.

    According to the defense officials, the IDF has identified about 50 passengers on the ship who could have terrorist connections with global jihad-affiliated groups.

    RELATED:
    Editorial: A turning point for Turkey
    What is the IHH?

    During its searches of the Mavi Marmara on Tuesday, the military also discovered a cache of bulletproof vests and night-vision goggles, as well as gas masks. On Monday morning, at least nine foreign activists were killed during the navy’s takeover of the Mavi Marmara, which was trying to break Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip.

    The group of over 50 passengers with possible terror connections have refused to identify themselves and were not carrying passports. Many of them were carrying envelopes packed with thousands of dollars in cash.

    The military is working to identify the passengers and is looking into the possibility that some of them have been involved in terror attacks. Some of them are apparently known Islamic extremists.

    “This is the group that was behind the violent lynch against the naval commandos,” a defense official said. “They came on board the ship prepared and after they had trained for the expected navy takeover.”

    Late Tuesday, there were reports that Issam al-Budur, Jordan’s consul in Israel, reached an agreement with Israel according to which another group of 124 detained flotilla activists would be taken by bus to Jordan and sent from there to their home countries. The detainees are Jordanian, Mauritanian, Moroccan, Kuwaiti, Pakistani, Indonesian and Syrian.

    Meanwhile Tuesday, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned Israel not to test Ankara’s patience.

    “Turkey’s hostility is as strong as its friendship is valuable,” he said. “Israel in no way can legitimize this murder, it cannot wash its hand of this blood.”

    This comment, officials said, could signify a change in Turkish military posture in the event that another flotilla is dispatched to the Gaza Strip. One official said that the chances that Turkey would send navy ships were slim – due to its membership in NATO – but that the issue was of great concern.

    “This is a definite possibility that we need to prepare for,” a senior defense official said.

    The flotilla that arrived late on Sunday night comprised six ships, and another two ships, including the Rachel Corrie, are expected to attempt to enter Israeli waters in the coming days.

    Greta Berlin of the Free Gaza Movement, which organized the flotilla, said that two vessels, one a cargo ship and another carrying about three dozen passengers, would arrive in the region late this week or early next week.

    “This initiative is not going to stop,” she said from the group’s base in Cyprus. “We think eventually Israel will get some kind of common sense. They’re going to have to stop the blockade of Gaza, and one of the ways to do this is for us to continue to send the boats.”

    Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen described the Rachel Corrie as Irish-owned and said it should be allowed to finish its mission, according to Reuters. The ship was carrying 15 activists, including a northern Irish Nobel Peace laureate.

    “The government has formally requested the Israeli government to allow the Irish-owned ship... to be allowed to complete its journey unimpeded and discharge its humanitarian cargo in Gaza,” Cowen told members of parliament in Dublin.

    Navy sources said that the ships sailing toward Gaza would be intercepted the same way the flotilla was stopped on Monday morning, although it had yet to be decided if the operation would be carried out by Shayetet 13, the navy’s commando unit.

    “We are tracking the ships and are under orders to stop them,” a top navy officer said.

    According to the sources, in a future operation, the navy would use more force.

    “We boarded the ship [the Mavi Marmara] and were attacked as if it were a war,” one officer said. “That will mean that we will have to come prepared in the future as if it were a war.”
    Again Israel is warning that if another one of those ships enters the water they will board it so the "peace activists" know exactly what they are doing and what they are up against. Israel is showing that they are not going to lie down in the faces of their enemies even though it may be unpopular in the international community to protect the lives of your citizens.

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    The Palestinians have been hiding behind the skirts of women and strapping bombs on children for 50 years.

    any "peace activist" should know what they're getting into by now

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Patriot View Post
    Oh yeah, they definitively have reason to be paranoid, but remember, they raided this Turkish vessel in the middle of the night. No negotiations. They told them to stop in international waters, they didn't, and so they fired.

    Imagine if an Islamic country raided a US ship in international waters and killed a dozen people. How would we respond?

    [edit]: I shouldn't have included that last question. This is gonna turn into an Obama leadership discussion.
    I understand your point Pat, but the fact is, Israel is not on a mission to destroy Islam or any Islamic country. She is trying to survive and protect the citizens of Israel ...Jews & Arabs.
    Sadly, that is not the case of most of the Islamic world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    I understand your point Pat, but the fact is, Israel is not on a mission to destroy Islam or any Islamic country. She is trying to survive and protect the citizens of Israel ...Jews & Arabs.
    Sadly, that is not the case of most of the Islamic world.
    You mean any Islamic country other than Palestine, right? They've done a bang-up job at it, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricardisimo View Post
    You mean any Islamic country other than Palestine, right? They've done a bang-up job at it, too.
    Ric, I mean any people who teach and who's mission is to destroy the Jewish people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    Ric, I mean any people who teach and who's mission is to destroy the Jewish people.
    Both Fatah and Hamas have abandoned their earlier insistence on Israel's demise, so it's a dead argument. We can agree that words don't matter, that only actions do... but the actions don't speak very well of Israel, now do they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricardisimo View Post
    Umm... Vincent... How exactly is posting a picture of the Palestinian version of Tiananmen Square helping your case?

    That's precisely why I chose that picture. That image was the object of intifada. Kick up enough bad behavior that the IDF has to take to the streets, then get the cameras and videos rolling and portray a country that is trying to maintain order among 7th century savages as "the nazis". Thats the story of this "aid flotilla" bullshit, nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricardisimo View Post
    Both Fatah and Hamas have abandoned their earlier insistence on Israel's demise, so it's a dead argument. We can agree that words don't matter, that only actions do... but the actions don't speak very well of Israel, now do they?
    ...and you believe Fatah and Hamas? I don't...at all! I spent many years overseas... for 2.5 years I spent night and day with the Kurdish Peshmerga's of northern Iraq and Iran, I also spent a few years with Arabs from many countries, including many Iranians. You know, almost everyone of these folks want the same things you and I want....peace, a job....and to make things better for their families. My wife and I have Arab friends that are closer to us than our own families. You can't put me in a box on this subject, but I do appreciate and respect your views Ric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricardisimo View Post
    You are absolutely right that we cannot compare these two. The Republican Party, in terms of body count, should really only be compared to the Democratic Party.
    Perhaps you missed the last century.

    Now if you had made that statement in reference to the Civil War, it might have made at least some sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by ricardisimo View Post
    Since 2000, 1072 Israelis have been killed as a direct result of the conflict (as opposed to 6,348 Palestinians.) We killed more than that (under a Republican president) in just one operation in Afghanistan in 2006, Operation Mountain Thrust. Add up all of the deaths in Afghanistan, Iraq, Panama, Grenada, the War on Drugs, the shootdown of Iran Air Flight 655 and so on and so forth... well, you have a party with a lot of blood on its hands.
    Gee whiz Ric, you make it sound like we're the sole source of death and mayhem on the planet. If you actually go by body count, we're relative pikers. The socialist regimes of the last century are the major leagues. Boy, they were something, weren't they?

    You mention that 6-1 kill ration between the Israelis and the "palestinians". Who provokes that violence? You'd think by now those stone age thugs would get the message - behave, coexist.

    If nothing else has been learned about Israel over the last 90 or so years, it is that they aren't going anywhere. They are home. That is where they live. That land was given to them by their God thousands of years ago. The world saw fit to restore it to them. The war is over. Battles will rage until the end of time, but the matter is decided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Perhaps you missed the last century.

    Now if you had made that statement in reference to the Civil War, it might have made at least some sense.



    Gee whiz Ric, you make it sound like we're the sole source of death and mayhem on the planet. If you actually go by body count, we're relative pikers. The socialist regimes of the last century are the major leagues. Boy, they were something, weren't they?

    You mention that 6-1 kill ration between the Israelis and the "palestinians". Who provokes that violence? You'd think by now those stone age thugs would get the message - behave, coexist.

    If nothing else has been learned about Israel over the last 90 or so years, it is that they aren't going anywhere. They are home. That is where they live. That land was given to them by their God thousands of years ago. The world saw fit to restore it to them. The war is over. Battles will rage until the end of time, but the matter is decided.
    Whatever I think about the US, it would never occur to me in my direst rhetorical emergency to compare us to the Nazis, Stalinist Russia or the Khmer Rouge, etc., just as we cannot be compared to relative peons... like Hamas. You'll find yourself catching air here, Vinny.

    You would think these Troglodytes would learn to behave, that they would see that violence breeds violence. But the Old Testament is a tough habit to break, evidently.
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    These are people who have decided not to leave that desolate region since the damn of humanity, can we really expect rational thought from either side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricardisimo View Post
    Whatever I think about the US, it would never occur to me in my direst rhetorical emergency to compare us to the Nazis, Stalinist Russia or the Khmer Rouge, etc., just as we cannot be compared to relative peons... like Hamas. You'll find yourself catching air here, Vinny
    You're right. What separates us from both tiers is that we don't start it. We finish it. Yet another behavioral thread that binds us to the Israelis.

    Quote Originally Posted by ricardisimo View Post
    You would think these Troglodytes would learn to behave, that they would see that violence breeds violence. But the Old Testament is a tough habit to break, evidently.
    Evidently.

    BTW, for those keeping score, and I know all you sports fans like to keep score, here's a handy reminder that your friendly neighborhood "religion of peace" is hard at work killing and maiming while your lazy asses are asleep in bed... http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

    Thats just 2 months worth of muslim "peace" activity. Scroll to the bottom for links to the complete resume of activity since 9/11. There have been 15,387 deadly (that means folks died) attacks since 9/11 by those practitioners of "the religion of peace". Hundreds of thousands of innocents murdered for islam. And now you too can follow the death count in the comfort and safety of your own home or office with this handy death meter. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/LinktoTROP.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    That's precisely why I chose that picture. That image was the object of intifada. Kick up enough bad behavior that the IDF has to take to the streets, then get the cameras and videos rolling and portray a country that is trying to maintain order among 7th century savages as "the nazis". Thats the story of this "aid flotilla" bullshit, nothing more.
    I honestly can't believe this. Israel attacks a Turkish vessel in international waters and you're sucking their toes! The fact that you refer to the Palestinians as "savages" just illustrates your lack of empathy, and is spookily reminiscent of what was said about the Indians.

    If an Israeli tank ever rolls into my neighborhood, I'm gonna be freaking out there throwing rocks too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    You're right. What separates us from both tiers is that we don't start it. We finish it. Yet another behavioral thread that binds us to the Israelis.



    Evidently.

    BTW, for those keeping score, and I know all you sports fans like to keep score, here's a handy reminder that your friendly neighborhood "religion of peace" is hard at work killing and maiming while your lazy asses are asleep in bed... http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

    Thats just 2 months worth of muslim "peace" activity. Scroll to the bottom for links to the complete resume of activity since 9/11. There have been 15,387 deadly (that means folks died) attacks since 9/11 by those practitioners of "the religion of peace". Hundreds of thousands of innocents murdered for islam. And now you too can follow the death count in the comfort and safety of your own home or office with this handy death meter. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/LinktoTROP.htm
    You mean there's some religion that isn't just a bunch of backward, sociopathic kooks? You're not actually hoping to get me to defend Islam, are you? I think you've heard all of this before, but with the help of some Pepto-Bismol I can stomach Quakers, Unitarians, maybe the Jains... and that's about it. What do you think they all have in common?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricardisimo View Post
    You mean there's some religion that isn't just a bunch of backward, sociopathic kooks? You're not actually hoping to get me to defend Islam, are you? I think you've heard all of this before, but with the help of some Pepto-Bismol I can stomach Quakers, Unitarians, maybe the Jains... and that's about it. What do you think they all have in common?
    :rotfl: when combining this post with those over at planetsteelers... I think we both, and I'd argue everyone, has too much bias to see straight! Well, except for the Bungles. They just suck!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Preacher View Post
    :rotfl: when combining this post with those over at planetsteelers... I think we both, and I'd argue everyone, has too much bias to see straight! Well, except for the Bungles. They just suck!
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