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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer View Post
    oh really


    White House Backs UN Stance on Israeli Flotilla Raid

    The Obama administration is refusing to condemn Israel for its deadly raid on a convoy of ships carrying aid to the Gaza Strip.

    http://www1.voanews.com/english/news...-95347184.html
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    Originally Posted by SteelersinCA
    I think Obama has made it pretty clear that we aren't going to stand behind them when they go crazy.


    White House Backs UN Stance on Israeli Flotilla Raid....

    What can I do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerEmpire View Post
    With that line of reasoning... The Jewish bible (you know the one that Islam copied off) (and Christian bible) also tells the muslim world that so many of "the enemies of Israel" will be destroyed that there will be only a small fraction of them left... I hope they are listening...
    In addition. I think the guys that said, and done, that (and their supporters) have suffered A LOT more by American hands... than America has suffered from theirs...
    My point is that "that line of reasoning" is completely screwy... no, criminal. It's the transnational version of telling a woman who's been raped that she shouldn't have been wearing such a short skirt.

    Who cares what anyone's bible says? If the only point to bibles is to put lipstick on horrific behavior, why bother? Well, I guess that does actually make bibles very useful for the higher-ups, doesn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelersfanman92 View Post
    Israel had every reason to board the ship and defend themselves against what could have possibly been an arm carrying ship, it was not until they were being attacked that they opened fire. Also by putting the subs out there they are protecting their country from what many believe could be an impending attack; so I do not understand the opposition to what they are doing is besides the fact that they took action instead of waiting for more of their citizens to be murdered.
    Actually, they had no legal reason whatsoever to board the ship. Technically speaking, Palestine is a sovereign nation, as Israel itself accepted when it endorsed the Roadmap. Sovereignty means that it can receive transport ships in its ports. Certainly it can receive ships stocked with construction equipment.

    The ships were also purposely manned by the aid organizers with high-profile peace activists from Israel, the US and Europe, for the purposes of discouraging Israel from doing precisely what they did. No one anticipated Israel's paranoid meltdown, however. Those same octogenarian peace activists just got schooled, to be sure. Watch them - and their affiliated groups - get radicalized into violently anti-Israeli factions now.

    Israel has "missed" yet another opportunity for peace. By missed I mean purposely and violently squashed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelersinCA View Post
    I don't really care what Israel does. They are a sovereign nation capable of wearing big boy pants and making their own decisions. I think Obama has made it pretty clear that we aren't going to stand behind them when they go crazy.
    Crazy is the operative word...
    We have to ask ourselves a simple, basic, fundamental question: can a lunatic state like Israel be trusted with two to three hundred nuclear devices when it is now threatening its neighbors Iran and Lebanon with an attack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer View Post
    oh really


    White House Backs UN Stance on Israeli Flotilla Raid

    The Obama administration is refusing to condemn Israel for its deadly raid on a convoy of ships carrying aid to the Gaza Strip.

    http://www1.voanews.com/english/news...-95347184.html
    Uh, Killer... didn't you just state five minutes ago that the UN was bringing down the hammer on Israel, but not on North Korea? And now you post that the US and UN are refusing to condemn Israel?

    Does all of reality bend to your most short-sighted whims and rhetorical needs?
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    So, an eye-for-an-eye is justice?
    I think if you are a country surrounded by a people-group who have sworn to wipe you off the face of the earth....You have to show yourself to be not only capable of protecting yourself but also able to give back more than you get. I have never heard the Israeli's say they wanted an eye for an eye. They have always been more of a 3 for 1 country. For every attack they endure, they will retaliate with three times the force.

    Just as a side bar and from personal experience. The Israeli's promote their military officers through competance and ability....while all the Arab allies I dealt with handed out military positions due to family name. It might explain why the combined arab world has traditionally had trouble with such a tine country.
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    First off, Israel itself has admitted it made many mistakes in the raid. It sounds like they had poor intelligence...but, it's important to bear in mind that Hezbollah was dropping tons of rockets on Israel just a couple years ago. It's got to be difficult living under those kind of circumstances...

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    Actually, in all honesty, the interception of those vessels is "more" for the safety of the citizens of Gaza than Israel. If Hamas gets ahold of more rockets and begins firing them into Israel, the citizens of Israel will begin pressuring the government to conduct another assault on Gaza. Only a handful of Israeli citizens will lose their lives due to those make-shift missiles, but thousands will die in Gaza if Israel launches another attack... and hundreds of thousands will suffer as a result of the loss of infrastructure. But Hamas is just as ruthless against its citizens as anyone... Muslim on Muslim crime PALES IN COMPARISON to what anyone else has done to them...

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    It's my understanding that the flotilla was only carrying humanitarian aid...which is allowed. THAT'S why this situation is so sticky for Israel...

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    Quote Originally Posted by suitanim View Post
    It's my understanding that the flotilla was only carrying humanitarian aid...which is allowed. THAT'S why this situation is so sticky for Israel...
    Actually it was not known by Israel what the "exact" contents of the shipments were as some of the shipments organizers were known to support terrorist groups (against Israel) in the past. Israel offered to deliver the goods themselves to Gaza but the offer was refused. This made the shipments look suspect to Israel and thus they were intercepted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by suitanim View Post
    First off, Israel itself has admitted it made many mistakes in the raid. It sounds like they had poor intelligence...but, it's important to bear in mind that Hezbollah was dropping tons of rockets on Israel just a couple years ago. It's got to be difficult living under those kind of circumstances...
    This had nothing to do with poor intel. The aid mission was announced weeks or even months ahead of time, and all parties knew who and what was going to be aboard, who would be inspecting the cargo and where, etc. Israel deliberated how to deal with this shipment for over a full week in the Knesset, and this commando raid was the result of that deliberation.

    How bad does your intel need to be that your parliament can talk itself into slaughtering peace activists in international waters? As that retired Marine officer I quoted in another thread said: "a bad show all around... GMAFB."
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    Quote Originally Posted by LLT View Post
    I think if you are a country surrounded by a people-group who have sworn to wipe you off the face of the earth....You have to show yourself to be not only capable of protecting yourself but also able to give back more than you get. I have never heard the Israeli's say they wanted an eye for an eye. They have always been more of a 3 for 1 country. For every attack they endure, they will retaliate with three times the force.

    Just as a side bar and from personal experience. The Israeli's promote their military officers through competance and ability....while all the Arab allies I dealt with handed out military positions due to family name. It might explain why the combined arab world has traditionally had trouble with such a tine country.
    You don't think the $3B in military, intel and economic aid that Israel receives each and every year from the United States has anything to do with their "successes"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerEmpire View Post
    Actually it was not known by Israel what the "exact" contents of the shipments were as some of the shipments organizers were known to support terrorist groups (against Israel) in the past. Israel offered to deliver the goods themselves to Gaza but the offer was refused. This made the shipments look suspect to Israel and thus they were intercepted...
    How do you think Israel would respond if the Palestinian Authority offered to inspect cargo intended for Israel, promising to pass it on once it had been cleared? Besides, if they are so eager for humanitarian aid to get through, they show drop the blockade, which is illegal anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerEmpire View Post
    Actually it was not known by Israel what the "exact" contents of the shipments were as some of the shipments organizers were known to support terrorist groups (against Israel) in the past. Israel offered to deliver the goods themselves to Gaza but the offer was refused. This made the shipments look suspect to Israel and thus they were intercepted...
    Wrong. Everyone on the planet knew. This was a show of force by Israel, pure and simple. I suspect the point was to prove to the world that "We're crazy... Don't fuck with us," or something along those lines.
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    You don't think the $3B in military, intel and economic aid that Israel receives each and every year have anything to do with their "successes"?
    I think that only one of us has personally been involved with both Israeli and Arab soldiers and can make a determination on the effectiveness of their armed forces. I would argue that the "$3B in military, intel and economic aid" that they recieve has more to do with survival then it does with aggression.

    You really should educate yourself in regards to the principles of Hamas

    The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or their "Charter" :

    ****"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

    Sheik Yunus al-Astal, a Hamas legislator and imam, has gone on record as saying that t "suffering by fire is the Jews' destiny in this world and the next. Therefore we are sure that the Holocaust is still to come upon the Jews."

    Hamas leader Fathi Hammad was more specific in saying ""We will not rest until we destroy the Zionist entity"

    I think if we as Americans faced that same level of anomicity towards our very existence....you would see an even greater level of aggression towards those who "swore" to destroy us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LLT View Post
    I think that only one of us has personally been involved with both Israeli and Arab soldiers and can make a determination on the effectiveness of their armed forces. I would argue that the "$3B in military, intel and economic aid" that they recieve has more to do with survival then it does with aggression.

    You really should educate yourself in regards to the principles of Hamas

    The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or their "Charter" :

    ****"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

    Sheik Yunus al-Astal, a Hamas legislator and imam, has gone on record as saying that t "suffering by fire is the Jews' destiny in this world and the next. Therefore we are sure that the Holocaust is still to come upon the Jews."

    Hamas leader Fathi Hammad was more specific in saying ""We will not rest until we destroy the Zionist entity"

    I think if we as Americans faced that same level of anomicity towards our very existence....you would see an even greater level of aggression towards those who "swore" to destroy us.
    I will gladly educate myself on this issue. I'm confident that what I will find is that 60+ years of non-stop violence has warped minds on both sides. However, I'm still impressed with - and choose to focus upon - the voices of peace and reason on both sides.

    The role of Hamas' Charter, or Covenant, has been called into question by many:
    The charter's current status within Hamas is unclear. For example, Mousa Abu Marzook, the deputy of the political bureau of Hamas, in 2007 described the charter as "an essentially revolutionary document born of the intolerable conditions under occupation" in 1988. Senior British diplomat and former British ambassador to the UN Sir Jeremy Greenstock stated in early 2009 that the Hamas charter was "drawn up by a Hamas-linked imam some [twenty] years ago and has never been adopted since Hamas was elected as the Palestinian government in 2006". Greenstock also stated that Hamas is not intent on the destruction of Israel.
    More important is how actual members of Hamas view themselves when pressed to do so:
    A memorandum prepared by the political bureau of Hamas in the 1990s at the request of western diplomats, published in a book by Azzam Tamimi, states that Hamas is "a Palestinian national liberation movement that struggles for the liberation of the Palestinian occupied territories and for the recognition of Palestinian legitimate rights." Hamas, the document stated, "regards itself as an extension of an old tradition that goes back to the early 20th century struggle against British and Zionist colonialism in Palestine." The memorandum notes that, in principle, Hamas does not endorse targeting civilians, but argues that such attacks represented "an exception necessitated by Israel's insistence on targeting Palestinian civilians and by Israel's refusal to agree to an understanding prohibiting the killing of civilians on both sides comparable to the one reached between Israel and Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon." Even in the 1990s, according to the memorandum, the organization foresaw the day when "dialogue" between itself and Israel would be possible, but warned that "The prospect of the movement initiating, or accepting dialogue with Israel is nonexistent at present because of the skewed balance of power between the Palestinians and the Israelis. In Sheikh Yassin's words: "There can be no dialogue between a party that is strong and oppressive and another that is weak and oppressed. There can be no dialogue except after the end of oppression.'"
    Words don't matter, though. I think you and I can see that clearly enough. Actions are what count, and both sides have unspeakable amounts of blood on their hands. In such a situation, it is the responsibility of the occupying power to do all it can to stop the violence, and Israel regularly does the opposite. Just like Spider-Man says, the responsibility follows the power, and Israel has the power, in local terms.

    The U.S., ultimately, has the lion's share of responsibility, since as you say, Israel wouldn't even exist at this point without massive and unquestioned support from us. The point to this thread, as I see it, is that Israel's recent actions are both psychotic and suicidal, as it has opened a crease in the near-total blockade on serious debate in this country regarding support for the state of Israel. It started with General Petraeus' comments, and this incident will cause it to start to snowball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricardisimo View Post

    Words don't matter, though. I think you and I can see that clearly enough. Actions are what count, and both sides have unspeakable amounts of blood on their hands. In such a situation, it is the responsibility of the occupying power to do all it can to stop the violence, and Israel regularly does the opposite. Just like Spider-Man says, the responsibility follows the power, and Israel has the power, in local terms.
    Good. Now that you've accepted that, then accept that sometimes diplomacy fails so we opt for bitch slapping those in need.

    This goes back to your anti-war crap.

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    Notch Up Another Disaster for Israel's Well-Oiled Propaganda Machine

    By PATRICK COCKBURN

    An old Israeli saying describing various less-than-esteemed military leaders says: "He was so stupid that even the other generals noticed." The same derisive remark could be applied almost without exception to the present generation of Israeli politicians.

    Such healthy skepticism among Israelis about the abilities of their military and political leaders has unfortunately ebbed in recent decades. As a result, Israelis are left perplexed as to why their wars, military interventions and armed actions have so often ended in failure since the 1973 war, despite the superiority of their armed forces.

    The latest example of this is the assault on the Gaza aid convoy by naval commandos, a confrontation initiated by Israel which thereby ensured that the convoy's organizers achieved their objectives to a degree beyond their wildest dreams. By using assault troops in a police action against civilians with predictably bloody results Israel managed to focus international attention on its blockade of Gaza, which the world had hitherto largely ignored. The Israeli action infuriated Turkey, once its strongest ally in the region, and strengthened the claim of Hamas to Palestinian leadership.

    The capacity of Israel to shoot itself in the foot needs explanation. From the beginning the operation was idiotic, since Israel was always likely to look bad after any confrontation between élite troops and civilian protesters. Even more ludicrous is the Israeli explanation that their élite and heavily armed soldiers were at risk of their lives because they had to use thick gloves to protect their hands when sliding down cables from a helicopter and therefore could not use their weapons.

    The nature of the fiasco should cause little surprise because such botched Israeli military actions have been the norm for years. The 1982 invasion of Lebanon was discredited by the massacre of Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps by Christian militias loosed on them by Israeli army commanders. Syria, not Israel, became the predominant power in Lebanon. In south Lebanon, the Israeli army fought a long and unsuccessful guerrilla war against Hizbollah. The bombardments of Lebanon in 1996 and 2006 left Hizbollah stronger, and a similar attack on Gaza in 2008 failed to weaken Hamas.

    The problem is that nobody believes Israeli propaganda as much as Israelis. Pro-Palestinian activists often lament the fluency and mendacity of Israeli spokesmen on the airwaves and the pervasive influence of Israel's supporters abroad. But, in reality, these PR campaigns are Israel's greatest weakness, because they distort Israelis' sense of reality. Defeats and failures are portrayed as victories and successes.

    The slaughter of civilians is justified as a military necessity or somehow the fault of the other side. Opponents are demonized as bloodthirsty terrorists. Comforted by such benign accounts of their activities, Israeli leaders are consumed by arrogance because they come to believe they have never made a mistake. Denial that errors have occurred makes it extremely difficult to sack generals or ministers, however gross their incompetence or record of failure.

    Many Israelis privately take their own propaganda with a pinch of salt, though the number is diminishing. But abroad, the most third-rate Israeli politicians strut before fawning audiences as heroic defenders of the state. Not surprisingly they return home with a dangerously inflated idea of their own abilities and in a perilously self-important mood.

    The Israeli propaganda machine, official and private, has been running full throttle in the last few days justifying the assault on the aid convoy to Gaza. Probably spokesmen feel they are performing well given the weakness of their case. In fact, they do nothing but harm to Israel. The greater their success in denying gross and culpable mistakes, the more likely it is that the perpetrators will hold their jobs – and the more likely it is that the mistakes will be endlessly repeated.
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    How can you take anything seriously from a writer named Patrick Cockburn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by augustashark View Post
    How can you take anything seriously from a writer named Patrick Cockburn?
    Would you prefer if the author were Virginia Yeast-Infection? Besides, didn't you vote for Bush, with his VP Dick, and Secretaries Colon and Kindasleeza?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricardisimo View Post
    Would you prefer if the author were Virginia Yeast-Infection? Besides, didn't you vote for Bush, with his VP Dick, and Secretaries Colon and Kindasleeza?
    everything else was funny, but, ya gotta admit, kindasleeza was a huge reach. i expected better.
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    Confirmed Hamas Leader Among Flotilla 'Activists'

    A confirmed terrorist leader was among the Gaza flotilla extremists aboard the Mavi Marmara on Monday, holding a Dutch passport.

    Amin Abu Rashed, 43, was among the militants arrested on the Turkish vessel following the vicious attack on Israeli Naval commandos who boarded the ship. The Palestinian Authority Arab holds a Dutch passport and operates out of Rotterdam as the leader of the Hamas terrorist network in the Netherlands. He has presented himself to Dutch media and others as a “human rights activist.”

    According to a report posted Tuesday on the Global Muslim Brotherhood Daily Report, Abu Rashed – also known as Amin Abu Ibrahim – was “one of the chief organizers of the Gaza flotilla.”

    According to the GMB Daily Report, “Previous posts have described the heavy participation of the Global Muslim Brotherhood in the Gaza flotilla, the Muslim Brotherhood background of the Al Jazeera journalist reporting from the Turkish ship involved in the confrontation, and the intent of the Global Muslim Brotherhood to send another flotilla to Gaza.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricardisimo View Post
    Actually, they had no legal reason whatsoever to board the ship. Technically speaking, Palestine is a sovereign nation, as Israel itself accepted when it endorsed the Roadmap. Sovereignty means that it can receive transport ships in its ports. Certainly it can receive ships stocked with construction equipment.

    The ships were also purposely manned by the aid organizers with high-profile peace activists from Israel, the US and Europe, for the purposes of discouraging Israel from doing precisely what they did. No one anticipated Israel's paranoid meltdown, however. Those same octogenarian peace activists just got schooled, to be sure. Watch them - and their affiliated groups - get radicalized into violently anti-Israeli factions now.

    Israel has "missed" yet another opportunity for peace. By missed I mean purposely and violently squashed it.
    Well actually Israel had legal reason to board the ship

    Alan DershowitzPosted: June 1, 2010 03:40 PM

    Israel's Actions Were Entirely Lawful Though Probably Unwise

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    Although the wisdom of Israel's actions in stopping the Gaza flotilla is open to question, the legality of its actions is not. What Israel did was entirely consistent with both international and domestic law. In order to understand why Israel acted within its rights, the complex events at sea must be deconstructed.

    First, there is the Israeli blockade of Gaza, which included a naval blockade. Recall that when Israel ended its occupation of Gaza, it did not impose a blockade. Indeed it left behind agricultural facilities in the hope that the newly liberated Gaza Strip would become a peaceful and productive area. Instead Hamas seized control over Gaza and engaged in acts of warfare against Israel. These acts of warfare featured anti-personnel rockets, nearly 10,000 of them, directed at Israeli civilians. This was not only an act of warfare, it was a war crime. Israel responded to the rockets by declaring a blockade, the purpose of which was to assure that no rockets, or other material that could be used for making war against Israeli civilians, was permitted into Gaza. Israel allowed humanitarian aid through its checkpoints. Egypt as well participated in the blockade. There was never a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, merely a shortage of certain goods that would end if the rocket attacks ended.

    The legality of blockades as a response to acts of war is not subject to serious doubt. When the United States blockaded Cuba during the missile crisis, the State Department issued an opinion declaring the blockade to be lawful. This, despite the fact that Cuba had not engaged in any act of belligerency against the United States. Other nations have similarly enforced naval blockades to assure their own security.

    The second issue is whether it is lawful to enforce a legal blockade in international waters. Again, law and practice are clear. If there is no doubt that the offending ships have made a firm determination to break the blockade, then the blockade may be enforced before the offending ships cross the line into domestic waters. Again the United States and other western countries have frequently boarded ships at high sea in order to assure their security.

    Third, were those on board the flotilla innocent non-combatants or did they lose that status once they agreed to engage in the military act of breaking the blockade? Let there be no mistake about the purpose of this flotilla. It was decidedly not to provide humanitarian aid to the residents of Gaza, but rather the break the entirely lawful Israeli military blockade. The proof lies in the fact that both Israel and Egypt offered to have all the food, medicine and other humanitarian goods sent to Gaza, if the boats agreed to land in an Israeli or Egyptian port. That humanitarian offer was soundly rejected by the leaders of the flotilla who publicly announced:

    "This mission is not about delivering humanitarian supplies, it's about breaking Israel's siege on 1.5 million Palestinians." (AFP, May 27, 2010.)

    The act of breaking a military siege is itself a military act, and those knowingly participating in such military action put in doubt their status as non-combatants.

    It is a close question whether "civilians" who agree too participate in the breaking of a military blockade have become combatants. They are certainly something different than pure, innocent civilians, and perhaps they are also somewhat different from pure armed combatants. They fit uncomfortably onto the continuum of civilianality that has come to characterize asymmetrical warfare.

    Finally, we come to the issue of the right of self-defense engaged in by Israeli soldiers who were attacked by activists on the boat. There can be little doubt that the moment any person on the boat picked up a weapon and began to attack Israeli soldiers boarding the vessel, they lost their status as innocent civilians. Even if that were not the case, under ordinary civilian rules of self defense, every Israeli soldier had the right to protect himself and his colleagues from attack by knife and pipe wielding assailants. Less there be any doubt that Israeli soldiers were under attack, simply view the video and watch, as so-called peaceful "activists" repeatedly pummel Israeli soldiers with metal rods. Every individual has the right to repel such attacks by the use of lethal force, especially when the soldiers were so outnumbered on the deck of the ship. Recall that Israel's rules of engagement required its soldiers to fire only paintballs unless their lives were in danger. Would any country in the world deny its soldiers the right of self-defense under comparable circumstances?

    Notwithstanding the legality of Israel's actions, the international community has once again ganged up on Israel. In doing so, Israel's critics have failed to pinpoint precisely what Israel did that allegedly violates international law. Some have wrongly focused on the blockade itself. Others have erroneously pointed to the location of the boarding in international waters. Most have simply pointed to the deaths of so-called peace activists, though these deaths appear to be the result of lawful acts of self-defense. None of these factors alone warrant condemnation, but the end result surely deserves scrutiny by Israeli policy makers. There can be little doubt that the mission was a failure, as judged by its results. It is important, however, to distinguish between faulty policies on the one hand, and alleged violations of international law on the other hand. Only the latter would warrant international intervention, and the case has simply not been made that Israel violated international law.

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    The ministry of truth is now employing the euphemism "activists" for known terrorists and those known to support terrorists. It was clever of the terrorists to cloak this operation by including some hippy-dippy types, poets, and activists and such, ostensibly carrying humanitarian aid...

    Bottom line, this was a trap, and Israel fell into it...and now all the Jew haters and anti-Semites of the World can stand together and thump their chests in unison about how they've all been wronged.
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    As always, a picture is worth a thousand words. This is how ridiculous this is…



    With the historical exception of the US and UK (and even those aren’t reliable at this point), the ENTIRE world is against Israel. But let’s forget for now the ROW, and even the 1.3 billion muslims seething to eradicate Israel from the planet (their words). Let’s just look at the arabs cowering against that monolith of oppression and tyranny, Israel. Yes, Israel is that little green patch upper center right, and yes, the pink areas are the arabs. Stop laughing. The arabs are serious.

    The entirety of the Islamic world and the arab world (excepting, of course, Arab Christians) cannot bear the reality of a tiny little Jewish homeland anywhere, much worse, where it is. What is the big damn problem? Any reasonable neighbors would knock on the door and ask if they needed anything, and that is what the muslim book instructs the “brethren” to do… unless they’re Jews or Christians. I have experienced this personally.

    But, no. The arabs aren’t good neighbors. Instead they have repeatedly ganged up on their little neighbor that they outnumber by orders of magnitude. And each time the Israelis defended themselves. No, actually they rolled the arabs. They kicked their sniveling coward asses.

    “Oh, but ‘Palestine’…”. Bullshit. Palestine isn’t even a pimple on the ass of the arab world. In fact, palestine in history was, is, and ever shall be, even on its best day, and at it’s most, an administrative designation. That’s what it was to the Romans who gave “palestine” their name. That’s what it was to every invader and occupier over the millennia. That’s what it was to the Ottomans. That’s what it was to the British. That’s what it was to the League of Nations and the United Nations. And, as evidenced by the way the arabs have “welcomed” their Palestinian “brothers” into their homes, that is all palestinians are to the arabs. Well, let me corrent that. They’re “leverage”. That aforementioned towering monolith hasn’t been moved by vastly superior armies, so the gambit is now left to “world opinion”, or as is known, 4th Gen warfare. Recall that the world hates Israel.

    So the sniveling cowards have pulled back to their “kingdoms” and have surrounded Israel with surrogates. Some Westerners call the surrogates “terrorists”, some call them “freedom fighters”, some leftist elements call them “human rights activists.” Stop laughing dammit!

    Now we have the pathetic remnant of Lebanon (your “human rights activists” at work) providing hezbollah’s base of operations to the North, hamas cordoned off in the Gaza to the South, and achmadinashithead’s surrogate Syria to the Northeast, and, of course those happy-go-lucky palestinians within. All of that because of that tiny patch of real estate. It would be laughable if it weren’t so damn pathetic.

    Having failed, as feckless comewads do, to move the Israelis militarily, the sniveling cowards have resorted to what milfolk call “asymmetrical warfare”, or its arab designation, intifada. And it has been effective at tying up scarce and vital Israeli resources, and further galvanizing world opinion against Israel. So we saw the first and second “intifadas” of and we were left with images like these etched into our loving liberal “minds”.



    “Those poor beaten down palestinian ‘freedom fighters’ standing up to those nazi Israelis”. Indeed.
    The Gaza Strip has been blockaded by Israel and Egypt since June 2007, when hamas took control of palestinian territory, and for what both determined was good reason – hamas are terrorists.

    The “aid flotilla” spectacle is tactically part of the same strategy. So here we are - hamas holed up by Israel and Egypt. It’s a PR bonanza looking for an opportunity to happen. Run the blockade with an “aid flotilla”. Brilliant. Ignore that Israel and Egypt signaled an easing of the blockade, or that Israel offered to port the flotilla, inspect the cargo, and even transport it to “those in need”. No, this is intifada. They need the images.

    The “Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief”, or IHH, is an “islamic charity”. The IHH organized the flotilla. IHH "has publicly professed connections to Egypt's Islamic Brotherhood and the Hamas, and has been a central actor of fund raising and financing terror for Hamas around the world". So have our own CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations). And just as CAIR takes advantage of “muslim oppression” (no, really) here in the US to raise funds, so do the IHH and others worldwide use “bad” Israeli publicity for same.

    BTW, the IHH are based in Turkey. You may recall the slaughter of 2 million Christians in Turkey back in the 1920s. And just as “the holocaust never happened”, that “never happened”. Am I making linkage between that and the IHH? Yes. Yes I am. Islam.

    The IHH as a front for funding terrorist organizations and sending terrorists to countries such as Afghanistan, Bosnia and Chechnya. Numerous reports have described the heavy participation of the Global Muslim Brotherhood in the Gaza flotilla, and the intent of the Global Muslim Brotherhood to send another flotilla to Gaza. The IHH and al qaeda are part of the Muslim Brotherhood.
    They got their images. They got the video. But it wasn’t really what they wanted.

    The “activists” on the flotilla shouted anti-Jewish battle cries and spoke of using "resistance" against Israel, stating only two possible outcomes "either martyrdom or reaching Gaza" and "[Remember] Khaibar, Khaibar, oh Jews! The army of Muhammad will return!" Khaibar is the name of the last Jewish village defeated by Islam's prophet Muhammad in AD 628. The battle marked the end of the Jewish presence in Arabia. The main ship was named the MV Rachel Corrie, namesake of a far-left activist from the International Solidarity Movement who died in 2003 while serving as a human shield to protect a terrorist.

    The “religion of peace” my sweet infidel ass.

    Talk about collusion. This action was designed to use opinion as a weapon against Israel, a key component of 4th gen warfare.
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