Now can we put away Arians vs. Haley?

[Chidi29]

What 8 games were those? Lol. We only broke 25 points 5 times all year and they were all spread out.

Game 5-12. Averaged 25.5 points per game.

[Bluecoat96]

The first few possessions we were VERY predictable. The formula was run-run-pass. When we got into goalline situations, it went pass-pass-pass (or pretty close). There were some nice play calls, but the offense was largely MORE predictable than last year. Which is irrelevant, actually, because as Preach points out, it is EXECUTION that counts. For waht it's worth, I liked Haley's game plan, just wish it was better executed. The blocking up front was suspect, we definitely NEED Mendenhall, Wallace and Ben need to work together a little more, and I think we'll be just fine.

Also, let's not dismiss Denver's defense. You know, they have a DC who put together a game plan too, and his was pretty effective. They upgraded their D from last year, an they are definitely going to be (barring major injuries) a HUGE factor in the AFC title race. And Denver is a tough place to play, and hasn't been kind to us.

This loss is just one "L". No need to panic. There was plenty of good to build on.

Agreed. It seems as if any time Jack Del Rio is involved in game-planning against the Steelers, he gives the Steelers Offense a hell of a time. I know it always seemed like Jacksonville had our number in recent years.

[ALLD]

Arians is not to blame for the Steelers losing, but it is his fault the Colts did.

[suitanim]

Arians is not to blame for the Steelers losing, but it is his fault the Colts did.

The Bears scored 41 points. Is it an OC's job to score 42 points a game now? Or to call the defense? Or to PLAY defense?

C'mon! You guys are starting to embarrass yourselves here!

[stillers4me]

We lossed the first game,i'm over it.Time to move on.

Welcome back, stranger.

[stillers4me]

Pimply Dan: "they need to start wining some games and they can no lose any more games."

All this from one game??? Let's give the Rosetta Stone a few more weeks before we get out the pitchforks...k?

[pepsyman1]

Game 5-12. Averaged 25.5 points per game.

LOL Thats being pretty selective Chidi. Our two highest output games of the year (38 and 35 pts) were bracketed on both sides by games that we didn't even break twenty and only 1 broke 15.

By comparison the Packers and Patriots score under 25 points only 5 times BETWEEN them all year

[Craic]

Pimply Dan: "they need to start wining some games and they can no lose any more games."

All this from one game??? Let's give the Rosetta Stone a few more weeks before we get out the pitchforks...k?

Naa, all of this because I dared challenge the notion that our offensive woes were based on something more than Arians. That's all. Heck, I'm pretty excited about quite a few things I saw, especially the play of Starks and Adams. Heck, keep that up, and once DeCastro gets healthy, it'll be a heck of a line with Adams at right tackle.

[ALLD]

The Bears scored 41 points. Is it an OC's job to score 42 points a game now? Or to call the defense? Or to PLAY defense?

C'mon! You guys are starting to embarrass yourselves here!

I did not watch the game or look at anything other than the final score. My intention was to get a rise out of somebody.

[HollywoodSteel]

Hey, this is interesting since we're talking about Haley. Watch this Ben interview. It's like he's doing everything he can not to throw Haley under the bus, but you know that on some level he blames him.. at least a little. I certainly will not exonerate Ben from a bad decision on that pick 6, but it just goes to show, we don't know everything that goes on, good and bad, behind the scenes.

http://www.steelers.com/video-and-au...2-46d38dd46800

[HollywoodSteel]

At least Arians was smart enough to let Ben call his own plays in those situations.

[Psycho Ward 86]

its one game in against a much improved broncos defense. lol

[HollywoodSteel]

Watching the Ravens use play action an no huddle is making me sick. Of course they have an elite QB and the best receiving core in the division. Pulse they don't have an elite runner like Redman so it totally makes sense.

[GBMelBlount]

The key now is to see if Haley will learn from his mistakes, if so that will make him an upgrade over Arians. It should always be about playing to your strengths. Our strength is Ben and our playmaking receivers. Sprinkle In some runs to keep them on their toes but don't run every first and second down. And more play action. It almost always works.

^^This. This is Haley's first game.

The Steelers stated they wanted to become more run oriented so Haley attempted to do that despite having one of the worst OL's in the NFL because THAT was the directive.

Now people are comparing Haley to Arians and drawing conclusions after ONE game....

JUST WOW.

Let's give it a few weeks to see if they can get healthy and make the necessary adjustments.

[HollywoodSteel]

No one is saying fire Arians. He had a bad game just like a lot Steelers last night. But as far as I'm concerned I'm going to hold him to the same standard as Tomlin held held Wallace the day after resigning, "all he's done so far is show up."

In fact Haley has more to prove. Every other Steeler who had a bad night last has had at least one good night in a Steelers uniform. I'll be thrilled to compliment him the first time I see him out coach someone.

[SteelGhost]

I wish some day we stop comparing these guys. Haley IS the OC now, let's move on.

[HollywoodSteel]

And Ben is our QB and Woodley is our linebacker and Ike is our cornerback and Legursky is on the team while Essex was cut, etc. Can we please stop scrutinizing and evaluating and comparing anything about this team because it is what it is? And even if some people think certain discussions are interesting can we please stop having them for the sake of the people who are in no way compelled to engage or even read them but just think we shouldn't?

And most importantly can we please stop making posts telling people to not make posts? Err, except this one. This one doesn't count.

I'm just messing with you all. No actual animosity intended. I've been drinking.

[zulater]

I think we should shelf this topic until mid October. By then we should start getting a better understanding of how the new offense is taking shape.

[suitanim]

Well, the prophets were wise and correct.

The criticism of Haley started at GAME ONE.

If we aren't scoring 50 points a game, and winning 50-0 (because the OC seems to have control over defense and special teams as well in Da Burgh), they will be ready to run him out of town on a rail by game 10. I wonder by which game I'll be labeled an apologist for Haley? By which game will I start getting called stupid for defending his "predictable grab bag of plays"? Ahhhh.....the mind boggles.

[NCSteeler]

So, what did we learn to night?

1. Ben missed a simple pass that would have been seven points. We settled for three.

2. We had a couple drops, that would have put a different face on drives.

3. We had a few penalties that called back good plays, or put the offense in a bad position.

4. In the end, we scored 19 points, just like last year.


Conclusion:

Haley called bad plays. He called good plays.
Arians called bad plays. He called good plays.

Sometimes players don't execute, turning a good play into a bad play.
And sometimes, injuries on the line really hurt an OC's game plan.

SO can we just leave it alone from this point forward? I say that because inevitably, we're going to either see a "Haley Sucks" thread, or a "Arians Sucks, thank god for Haley" thread (completely ignoring this game) soon.

How disingenuous to post a thread titled "Now can we put away the Arians vs Haley?" When all you really intended to do was start the debate a new. The board was not flooded with complaints, or threads or conversation onthe subject until now. Thanks for getting the season kicked off . Now you made most of the predictions about when the bitching would start come true

[Craic]

How disingenuous to post a thread titled "Now can we put away the Arians vs Haley?" When all you really intended to do was start the debate a new. The board was not flooded with complaints, or threads or conversation onthe subject until now. Thanks for getting the season kicked off . Now you made most of the predictions about when the bitching would start come true

Wow, talk about misreading a post. . . or reading into a post. Let's go through that post together shall we?

Thread title.

"Now can we put away Arians vs. Haley?"

Comprehension of title: Can we stop comparing the two, saying Haley will fix this, or fix that, or this was Arians fault, or that was Arians fault.

Evidence for my argument

So, what did we learn to night?

1. Ben missed a simple pass that would have been seven points. We settled for three. - Execution caused problems for Haley's offense, just as it did for Arians

2. We had a couple drops, that would have put a different face on drives. - Execution again caused problems for Haley's offense, just as it did for Arians

3. We had a few penalties that called back good plays, or put the offense in a bad position - Department of redundancy department. Have I said execution caused problem yet?

4. In the end, we scored 19 points, just like last year. - Regardless of coordinator, the same issues remain. They may look different, but the underlying issues are still there.

Now, what was my intention that you seem to know oh, so well? It was to show that there is no basis for a Haley vs. Arians argument. But let's move on so that I can help further in comprehending my post.

Conclusion:

This means that I'm about to show exactly what I am talking about, which is . . .

Haley called bad plays. He called good plays. - Am I wrong here?

Arians called bad plays. He called good plays. - Am I wrong here? And how, pray-tell, is this intended to "Start the debate anew?"

Sometimes players don't execute, turning a good play into a bad play. - In what way am I blaming either OC for this?
And sometimes, injuries on the line really hurt an OC's game plan. - I guess THIS must be such the debate piece, because so far, nothing else even comes close to what you're claiming

So let's stop and take stock now. You claimed that I was trying to "start the debate anew." Where, in anything above here, do you see me "starting it anew?" I am stating that we saw Ben miss passes, we saw recievers drop balls, we saw penalties, we saw 19 points put up just like last year. Hence, we are still suffering problems. So the entire "Arians vs. Haley" argument is invalid, because the problems are still around. Now, just in case that was missed, let's go to the last paragraph.

SO can we just leave it alone from this point forward? I say that because inevitably, we're going to either see a "Haley Sucks" thread, or a "Arians Sucks, thank god for Haley" thread (completely ignoring this game) soon.

Let's focus on the first line. Please inform me how asking for everyone to leave it alone, is specifically asking for everyone to start the debate up again? Seems to me, those are completely logically inconsistent with one another. Let's move on to the second sentence. Since, as you say, I SO WANT TO START THE DEBATE AGAIN. Where should I start. Oh yeah, "Inevitably, we're going to see a 'Haley sucks' thread or a 'Arians sucks, thank god for Haley' thread." Please, I'm begging you, somehow, in some way, explain to me how my call to END the Arians vs. Haley arguments because INEVITABLY, we're going to see a Haley or Arians sucks thread, is in reality, calling for a start of a brand new round of arguments.

Please explain it to me, I'm so curious to know.

BTW, I should be honored to know that you think I single-handedly have the ability to move an entire board full of people to jump to the same conclusions that they do every single season after the first game. Next, you're going to blame me for the sun rising as well. Next time, I suggest you actually read what I wrote, instead of what you ASSUMED I wrote.

On a last note, I really don't appreciate your ignorance in blaming me for what has been standard method of operation around here. These comparisons were being made in the GAME DAY THREAD long before I posted this thread. So please, knock off the accusations.

[suitanim]

Ouch!

That's gonna leave a mark.

[cold-hard-steel]

Welcome back, stranger.

Thanks, i've been here pretty much every day. Can't chomp at the bit till the season is under way.I thought we did pretty well on the offense. Showed me a lot of clock control. With our injury situation i think we will be fine. I have to say the defense left us down. Just me.

[NCSteeler]

Your smart enough to know that bringing up the debate will only start the debate, no matter the context you bring it up in. Your also smart enough to know that internet threads create snowball/landslide effects once a topic is raised especially in a sensitive environment. Anyhow, whatever.

Wow, talk about misreading a post. . . or reading into a post. Let's go through that post together shall we?

Thread title. Comprehension of title: Can we stop comparing the two, saying Haley will fix this, or fix that, or this was Arians fault, or that was Arians fault.

Evidence for my argument


Now, what was my intention that you seem to know oh, so well? It was to show that there is no basis for a Haley vs. Arians argument. But let's move on so that I can help further in comprehending my post.


This means that I'm about to show exactly what I am talking about, which is . . .


So let's stop and take stock now. You claimed that I was trying to "start the debate anew." Where, in anything above here, do you see me "starting it anew?" I am stating that we saw Ben miss passes, we saw recievers drop balls, we saw penalties, we saw 19 points put up just like last year. Hence, we are still suffering problems. So the entire "Arians vs. Haley" argument is invalid, because the problems are still around. Now, just in case that was missed, let's go to the last paragraph.


Let's focus on the first line. Please inform me how asking for everyone to leave it alone, is specifically asking for everyone to start the debate up again? Seems to me, those are completely logically inconsistent with one another. Let's move on to the second sentence. Since, as you say, I SO WANT TO START THE DEBATE AGAIN. Where should I start. Oh yeah, "Inevitably, we're going to see a 'Haley sucks' thread or a 'Arians sucks, thank god for Haley' thread." Please, I'm begging you, somehow, in some way, explain to me how my call to END the Arians vs. Haley arguments because INEVITABLY, we're going to see a Haley or Arians sucks thread, is in reality, calling for a start of a brand new round of arguments.

Please explain it to me, I'm so curious to know.

BTW, I should be honored to know that you think I single-handedly have the ability to move an entire board full of people to jump to the same conclusions that they do every single season after the first game. Next, you're going to blame me for the sun rising as well. Next time, I suggest you actually read what I wrote, instead of what you ASSUMED I wrote.

On a last note, I really don't appreciate your ignorance in blaming me for what has been standard method of operation around here. These comparisons were being made in the GAME DAY THREAD long before I posted this thread. So please, knock off the accusations.

[Craic]

Your smart enough to know that bringing up the debate will only start the debate, no matter the context you bring it up in. Your also smart enough to know that internet threads create snowball/landslide effects once a topic is raised especially in a sensitive environment. Anyhow, whatever.

Yes, and likewise, you're smart enough to click on the gameday thread and see that your first assumption was wrong. The debate was already started again by comparisons in that thread. So once again, you actually believe that "I'm" responsible for "bringing up the subject?" When it's brought up already numerous times that day? When the M.O. of this board (and SF before it), was that very thing? Come on . . . you know this community better than that.

[NCSteeler]

Yes, and likewise, you're smart enough to click on the gameday thread and see that your first assumption was wrong. The debate was already started again by comparisons in that thread. So once again, you actually believe that "I'm" responsible for "bringing up the subject?" When it's brought up already numerous times that day? When the M.O. of this board (and SF before it), was that very thing? Come on . . . you know this community better than that.

Not all of us have time to read 60 pages of the gameday thread. And the gameday thread is way different from topics started in their own threads on the Main Board.

[Craic]

Not all of us have time to read 60 pages of the gameday thread. And the gameday thread is way different from topics started in their own threads on the Main Board.

Funny thing is, neither do I. I simply clicked on the link figuring I'd hit a post and sure enough . . .

In short, "Arians Hate" isa SF/SU meme that isn't going away anytime soon, but thanks for blaming me anyway.

[suitanim]

Funny thing is, neither do I. I simply clicked on the link figuring I'd hit a post and sure enough . . .

In short, "Arians Hate" isa SF/SU meme that isn't going away anytime soon, but thanks for blaming me anyway.

It's already shifted to Haley. As predicted. So, technically, we CAN put away Arians vs. Haley, because it will be a purely Haley bashing exercise soon. And, I'm pretty sure I'm not going too far out on a limb when I suggest that (as predicted) it will be pretty much all the same people hating on Haley that hated on Arians.

[Craic]

It's already shifted to Haley. As predicted. So, technically, we CAN put away Arians vs. Haley, because it will be a purely Haley bashing exercise soon. And, I'm pretty sure I'm not going too far out on a limb when I suggest that (as predicted) it will be pretty much all the same people hating on Haley that hated on Arians.

It's a pretty common thing. Just like QB's, RB's, etc. Oh well.

[NCSteeler]

I must be reading a different board than ya'll as I scroll the titles on the main board , THIS is the only thread doing headline discussion of Haley or Arians. A few other threads have sideline mentions of them a few with complaints.

Although there is the Essex thread that should be banished to the NFL forum.