DeCastro, Adams will have hands full

[Psycho Ward 86]

He is a lot more similar to Starks than most want to admit. He is a bigger guy, not as powerful as Starks, and has while he has good feet, Starks trumps him with technique. Starks keeps his feet moving, Adams does not always do that.

Here is what continues to baffle me. Everyone talks about how good he is in pass protection. He played in 7 games last year. The first game was against Mercilus. They threw less than 10 times, probably closer to 8, and Mercilus had 1.5 sacks in that game. The next game was against Wisconsin and he faced Kelly. There were less than 15 pass plays and Kelly had a sack. The following game was against Indiana and they had an OLB they brought (Hoobler). Again, less than 15 pass plays, Hoobler has 2 sacks. He did not allow a sack against Purdue. Jack Crawford of Penn State had 2 in less than 20 pass attempts. Michigan's Van Bergan added a half sack. Powell of Florida had a sack as well. In only one game last season did he not allow a sack. Against better pass rushers, he allowed multiple sacks in a limited number of passing attempts.

Good feet. Long arms. Deemed a first round guy by many. Why did he not perform?

were all of those sacks his fault. i didnt know about this at all

[TMC]

were all of those sacks his fault. i didnt know about this at all

I would have to go back and watch each sack individually to ensure they were all his fault. I know that Mercilus ate him up. IIRC, Van Bergan, Crawford, and even Floyd had good pass rush games against him. Adams was pretty up and down at times. I keep hearing he has great feet and he does have some quickness, but too often he quits moving his feet and lunges. If you fail to use the gift, how great is it? IMO, he has some growing to do.

[BigNastyDefense]

The bench press is the most overrated workout when it comes to athletes that play sports.

If you're a tackle, yes you need to be strong. But it doesn't matter how many times you throw up 225 lbs. on a bench press if you have crappy technique. Doesn't matter if you benched it 35 times, if you cannot anchor yourself you will be pushed back and if you don't have much strength in your legs you won't be pancaking tackles and outside linebackers.

You won't be putting very many defensive ends and linebackers on their asses with a simple shove.

[zulater]

I would have to go back and watch each sack individually to ensure they were all his fault. I know that Mercilus ate him up. IIRC, Van Bergan, Crawford, and even Floyd had good pass rush games against him. Adams was pretty up and down at times. I keep hearing he has great feet and he does have some quickness, but too often he quits moving his feet and lunges. If you fail to use the gift, how great is it? IMO, he has some growing to do.

Good coaching might make a difference. Not knocking the OSU staff. But college players have limited practice time due to stringent NCAA rules. If a guy can get by mostly on superior athletic ability there might not be a great deal of thought or effort towards coaching him up to succeed at the next level. They ( coaches) probably use their time towards other aspects of greater need, such as game plans and coaching lesser players up.

[suitanim]

Adams IS inconsistent. He takes plays off, and that's why he gets beat.

I've watched every OSU football game for probably 20 years, and while I am just a simple and barely functional layman without the vast and deep pool of great knowledge possessed by high school football coaches, I do have one simple borderline moronic observation to make that is classless and adds nothing to this board:

Watch Adams in 2010 if you want to make a true assessment. Tressel graded him as their best OL for that year, and as bad as their offense was in 2011, it was very good in 2010.

[TMC]

Good coaching might make a difference. Not knocking the OSU staff. But college players have limited practice time due to stringent NCAA rules. If a guy can get by mostly on superior athletic ability there might not be a great deal of thought or effort towards coaching him up to succeed at the next level. They ( coaches) probably use their time towards other aspects of greater need, such as game plans and coaching lesser players up.

It absolutely can make a difference. But, coaching takes time. The thread was about how they will have their hands full. Both will. The difference is, DeCastro was dominant at times, has shown to be a hard worker, is very smart, and the transition should be easier. Adams is not consistent, has not proven he is a hard worker to this point, and was not dominant. His transition will be much more difficult. And, while he does flash good feet, he does not show that consistently. He has a lot of work to do. If he does it, he should be fine. If he continues like he did at OSU, don't know if he even sticks with the team long term. He carries some risk.

Watch Adams in 2010 if you want to make a true assessment. Tressel graded him as their best OL for that year, and as bad as their offense was in 2011, it was very good in 2010.

His 2010 season was vastly better than his 2011 season. But, do we get the 2010 Adams or the 2008, 2009, or 2011 Adams? That is the question.

[suitanim]

It absolutely can make a difference. But, coaching takes time. The thread was about how they will have their hands full. Both will. The difference is, DeCastro was dominant at times, has shown to be a hard worker, is very smart, and the transition should be easier. Adams is not consistent, has not proven he is a hard worker to this point, and was not dominant. His transition will be much more difficult. And, while he does flash good feet, he does not show that consistently. He has a lot of work to do. If he does it, he should be fine. If he continues like he did at OSU, don't know if he even sticks with the team long term. He carries some risk.



His 2010 season was vastly better than his 2011 season. But, do we get the 2010 Adams or the 2008, 2009, or 2011 Adams? That is the question.

I'd say if he's playing, we get Adams circa 2010 Mark II. Remember, last year was truncated for him, and OSU was a complete mess. I wouldn't bet my house on it or anything, but I'm reasonably confident that's the Adams we see.

I was pretty consistent. I wanted the Steelers to stay away from Adams IN THE FIRST ROUND. And it was because of that inconsistency. Things worked out nicely. Obviously the Steelers coveted him. They aren't infallible, but their recent higher round draft picks along the lines have pretty much worked out okay.

[TMC]

I'd say if he's playing, we get Adams circa 2010 Mark II. Remember, last year was truncated for him, and OSU was a complete mess. I wouldn't bet my house on it or anything, but I'm reasonably confident that's the Adams we see.

I was pretty consistent. I wanted the Steelers to stay away from Adams IN THE FIRST ROUND. And it was because of that inconsistency. Things worked out nicely. Obviously the Steelers coveted him. They aren't infallible, but their recent higher round draft picks along the lines have pretty much worked out okay.

Hard to say who we get. If we get the 2010 Adams, he could do well. Any other season, we'll see. I have no issue with the drafting of Adams. I think he is a better fit at RT than left, but I would also give him the chance at LT, just like I would Gilbert. The best man gets the job. I start my best 5. Right now, I think that will be Starks, Colon, Pouncey, DeCastro, and Gilbert.