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    Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    President Barack Obama addressed supporters in Roanoke, Virginia on Friday afternoon and took a shot at the business community. President Obama dismissed any credit business owners give themselves for their success:
    There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there................

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    Re: bama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    Completely clueless and lost. He actually believes that "Life of Julia" is the way the World works.

    I'm pretty sure that just about every single business owner will tell you that the government HURT their business almost every step of the way, and certainly didn't help.

    Look, Obama isn't a true Socialist...and the first place to look for confirmation of that is the fact that Socialists think he's a traitor who abandoned him. BUT THIS QUOTE is the quote of a Socialist. And a Socialist in every way, including Marx's idea of Socialism as the failed state between dying Capitalism and Communism. And he seems intent on hastening Capitalism's death.
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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    This comes from a guy who has not had a real job his entire life.

    We own two business's and they sure as hell weren't given to me and one we'll be lucky if we can survive obaaamacare.

    Arrogant asshole he is.


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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    My brother has built his business for the past 12 years...all on his own. He complains non-stop about the regulations and taxes that hinder growth to his business.




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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    I think he is referring to the "public who supports the business" as being "helpers". In a way he's right but in more of a way he is an idiot for saying it. Businesses succeed or fail based on the owner. If the owner is not "competent", the "public" won't support the business so when the rubber meets the road, it is ALWAYS because of the owner whether a business succeeds or fails.
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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    I sure "hope" he doesn't "change" is campaign tactics. Because as long as he keeps spouting off this kind moronic drivel, the better off Romney is.

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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    I think he (Obama) was trying to say that if you become successful, you usually don't do it alone. Around that particular quote, he was referring to how the government has helped with 'certain aspects' of their success. If you watch that speech a few minutes prior to that quote, it's pretty easy to see that it was taken out of context by the media. But hey, that's part of the game... it's election season !

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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by BnG_Hevn View Post
    I think he is referring to the "public who supports the business" as being "helpers". In a way he's right but in more of a way he is an idiot for saying it. Businesses succeed or fail based on the owner. If the owner is not "competent", the "public" won't support the business so when the rubber meets the road, it is ALWAYS because of the owner whether a business succeeds or fails.
    Yup and he also forgot to mention that we (stupid lucky) business owners also paid those same taxes and then some. Besides that 50% of the public that 'supports' us don't pay taxes at all.
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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    What hes saying is you cant build a business by yourself, and its absolutely true. If your a retail business owner you need a customer base, you need distributers, and you need employees. If you have a service based business commercial or residential you need clients, supplies, vehicles, equipment, manpower, etc. etc. Nobody builds a business on their own, unless you make your own product make your own supplies do the work yourself and buy your own product. I am a business owner myself, and my business certainly could not operate without my employees and my clients, while i cant say the goverment has helped me im certainly not foolish enough to ignore all the people that make my business possible.

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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    I'm no fan of Obama's, but I think this is getting blown way out of proportion. Here's the line everyone is talking about:

    If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
    It's being taken out of context. When he said "you didn't build that" and "Somebody else made that happen," he's not referring to someone's business. What he's referring to is what he said right before that line:

    Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
    And the point he was trying to make came a few sentences later:

    The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
    Does anyone not agree with this? No one has started a business entirely on their own without any help from someone else. While I do enjoy seeing Obama get raked over the coals on this after the Bain attacks on Romney, it really is much ado about nothing.

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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    OK, I can understand that businesses don't succeed on their own and that business owners need help to start said business, but isn't the owner the one sticking his neck out on an idea that is his/hers and if it fails the economic consequences to that person could be catastrophic? If no owners decided to take risk, there would be no businesses and therefore no jobs, no jobs, no taxes, no taxes, no money to build bridges and infrastructure, no money to support the freeloaders, and our country crashes without those businesses
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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by SCSTILLER View Post
    OK, I can understand that businesses don't succeed on their own and that business owners need help to start said business, but isn't the owner the one sticking his neck out on an idea that is his/hers and if it fails the economic consequences to that person could be catastrophic? If no owners decided to take risk, there would be no businesses and therefore no jobs, no jobs, no taxes, no taxes, no money to build bridges and infrastructure, no money to support the freeloaders, and our country crashes without those businesses
    Yes but hes not talking about the risk of starting a business, the only point he made is there is no successful business that built itself, thats all.

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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by SCSTILLER View Post
    OK, I can understand that businesses don't succeed on their own and that business owners need help to start said business, but isn't the owner the one sticking his neck out on an idea that is his/hers and if it fails the economic consequences to that person could be catastrophic? If no owners decided to take risk, there would be no businesses and therefore no jobs, no jobs, no taxes, no taxes, no money to build bridges and infrastructure, no money to support the freeloaders, and our country crashes without those businesses
    Not to mention the countless hours put in building their business.


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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    Of course how does the government help business? Certainly not through all of their ridiculous regulations

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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    Whether or not it was taken out of context, it doesn't change the fact that Obama thinks small business owners 'fall' into success. His comments aside he really is out of touch with the private sector.
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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by smokin3000gt View Post
    Whether or not it was taken out of context, it doesn't change the fact that Obama thinks small business owners 'fall' into success. His comments aside he really is out of touch with the private sector.
    His comments are also out of touch with reality. His argument is that rich people aren't rich because they worked harder or made smarter decisions, but because the government built the infrastructure that made their success possible. That's paraphrasing a bit, but it's the gist of it.
    Problem with his line of reasoning (such as it is) is that *EVERYBODY* has access to the same infrastructure, plenty of us are smart and hard-working (as he said), but not all of us end up millionaires. To what does he attribute that glaring difference?
    That speech is mindless class-warfare rhetoric. It's not intended to sway anybody over to his side, it's intended to fire up his own base and get them back on his side.

    The government is really good at breaking your leg, handing you a crutch, and then taking credit for your ability to walk. This is just another example of it.
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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    Obama and our government have hurt me, not helped me, every step of the way


    I was President Obama’s college classmate at Columbia University, Class of '83. Almost every one of my classmates were openly socialist or Marxist, with many of these leftist radicals calling for an end to capitalism and “bringing down the system” by destroying the U.S. economy with entitlements, debt, and crisis.

    That’s why I have predicted in thousands of media interviews from the first days of Obama's presidency that Obama is a radical, with a deep-seated hatred of business owners, a desire to demonize us and destroy America’s faith in capitalism, and a plan to bring down the system by overwhelming our economy with debt and crisis -- just as we all learned and discussed at Columbia in our college days.

    Well, it’s no longer a theory. Obama has decided to come clean with his plans for a second term. In a matter of 48 hours he gave us two hints so big you couldn’t miss his intentions...........



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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    As I heard on the radio today, Charles Manson and Jeffry Dahmer used the roads is the government going to take any credit for them too?


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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach1 View Post
    As I heard on the radio today, Charles Manson and Jeffry Dahmer used the roads is the government going to take any credit for them too?
    They did use the roads to ship guns to Mexico, but they wont take credit for that.
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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    The best part of all this is that we are supposed to credit "Julia" with all the wonderful tools that the US provides so that business can succeed.

    But I wonder....who actually PAYS for the roads, and the infrastructure, and the regulated environment (and that's not ALWAYS a bad thing, although Hopey's version is), and all the things that Barry is trying to shine a positive light on? Welfare recipients? Julia (who probably gets the EIC and gets way more money back from the government than she actually pays in taxes)?

    He's trying to rip Romney here, but think about this. If Romney pays 3 million in taxes every year since he founded Bain (and this is a ridiculously low number, and this whole exercise is overly simplified, because I'm ignoring all the probably hundreds of millions in taxes that Bain itself would also be on the hook for, but simple is easy, so...), then he has paid 84 million in taxes. I think he's paid his fair share.

    That's the problem with liberal arguments about wealth. They are usually ignorant, misguided, and illogical. Libs rip up big oil all the time, but that industry pays a fuck-ton of taxes. In 2006 Exxon paid 28 billion in US taxes. 2007 was 30 billion. The effective tax rate is 41%. Forty one percent! My other favorite is liberal ham-n-eggers bitching about their 401k's and ALSO bitching about big business. If their mutual fund investment is, in turn, invested in stock or equity funds, the very same big business that they ignorantly bashed are also funding their retirement!

    I just think most of the time it's too complex for them to understand. Which is why completely ignorant lines like "You didn't build that" resonate with them...
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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Wallace108 View Post
    I'm no fan of Obama's, but I think this is getting blown way out of proportion. Here's the line everyone is talking about: " If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."



    It's being taken out of context. When he said "you didn't build that" and "Somebody else made that happen," he's not referring to someone's business. What he's referring to is what he said right before that line: "Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."



    And the point he was trying to make came a few sentences later: "The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."



    Does anyone not agree with this? No one has started a business entirely on their own without any help from someone else. While I do enjoy seeing Obama get raked over the coals on this after the Bain attacks on Romney, it really is much ado about nothing.
    What he said is ...."I’m always struck by people who think, ‘Well, it must be because I was just so smart.’ There are a lot of smart people out there. ‘It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.’ Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.”


    There is definately a hint of his belief that small business success is reliant on the state/government. The point is absolutely idiotic. It ignores the simple question: "What is the difference between those businesses that fail and those that succeed"? I mean, both the entrepreneurial failures and the successes equally utilize the roads and infrastructure of this country.

    The difference is EXACTLY the very thing that Obama is downplaying....the inspiration and hard work of those who persevere until they succeed.

    Compare his speech with that of Thomas Edison...one of this countries greatest entrepreneurs. "Genius is one percent inspiration, ninety-nine percent perspiration".
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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by LLT View Post
    The point is absolutely idiotic. It ignores the simple question: "What is the difference between those businesses that fail and those that succeed"? I mean, both the entrepreneurial failures and the successes equally utilize the roads and infrastructure of this country.

    The difference is EXACTLY the very thing that Obama is downplaying....the inspiration and hard work of those who persevere until they succeed.
    If a business fails, can we then conclude that the owner is either not smart or not a hard worker?

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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Wallace108 View Post
    If a business fails, can we then conclude that the owner is either not smart or not a hard worker?
    Conversely, using "obamalogic", when business fails, should we then say "When your business fails, you didn't destroy that"?

    That makes sense. Since we are in times of zero accountability and no personal responsibility, why not take the blame away from people who make bad business decisions as well.

    And, following that logic, could we then not ALSO say that Bain's failures were actually failures of us all? Failures of infrastructure, the workers, unions. I mean, if they weren't responsible for their successes, how can they be responsible for their failures?
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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Wallace108 View Post
    If a business fails, can we then conclude that the owner is either not smart or not a hard worker?
    Well, some people try using no so smart ideas as a business. Like a guy trying to sell surfboards in Idaho. You would think something oh like snowboards would be a bit more appropriate, but noooo.

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    Conversely, using "obamalogic", when business fails, should we then say "When your business fails, you didn't destroy that"?

    That makes sense. Since we are in times of zero accountability and no personal responsibility, why not take the blame away from people who make bad business decisions as well.

    And, following that logic, could we then not ALSO say that Bain's failures were actually failures of us all? Failures of infrastructure, the workers, unions. I mean, if they weren't responsible for their successes, how can they be responsible for their failures?
    Or we could say that our tax dollars didn't go to building enough roads or infrastructure. Or just blame it all on Bush.


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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    Ahhhhhh...literally just got off the phone with a friend who is also a client. He was in the process of opening his own business after being in that line of work for almost 20 years. He had a great business plan utilizing his knowledge to build a new company using all best practices. Here's a great example of the government "helping him build his business".

    EPA. Stage one testing. Passed with flying colors. This was an expense that was paid for by my buddy. EPA official claims that's the end of the road, his financing is clear, and he's ready to close and move in and get working.

    WHOOPS! I did say EPA. As in the FEDERAL Environmental Protection Agency (most of you, especially those in business, already know where this is headed). All of a sudden, out of the blue, they request stage II testing. This is drinking water testing, mind you, right in downtown Akron, less than a mile form where Firestone just built it's new World Headquarters building. Firestone, by the way, was required to do NO testing. Anyway, the cost is 7k. My buddy is tapped out...he's already had a bunch of out-of-pocket expenses, plus money he's lost from time away from his current job, plus other paperwork expenses etc, etc. The building's current owner refuses to pay because it's a completely unnecessary test, so.....guess what?

    No business. This is the very definition of an unfunded mandate. The EPA steps, in, requests expensive superfluous testing, nobody can or will pay for it (and the government isn't going to pay for it's own testing that it requires, hence the "unfunded" part of the equation), so, no new business.
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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    Yep we have to do a water test once a year every year. And yes it is costly.

    Wait till you see the rules for painting a wall in your own place. It involves hazmat suits and one square foot at a time.


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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    Here's a statement Romney made today:

    "I know that you recognize that a lot of people help you in a business. Perhaps the banks, the investors. There's no question your mom and dad. Your school teachers. The people that provide roads, the fire, and the police. A lot of people help."
    So he's pretty much agreeing with what Obama said:

    "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges."
    Romney also said something that sounds more like something Obama would say:

    "There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That's an important thing."
    So essentially, Romney agrees with Obama on everything except for one sentence. Here's the one statement Obama made that Romney disagrees with:

    "If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."
    And that's what has been taken out of context. When Obama said "you didn't build that," he wasn't referring to your business. If you read the entire quote in context, he was referring to roads, bridges, and the "unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive." THAT'S what he was referring to when he said "you didn't build that." He wasn't saying that business owners didn't build their businesses. All he was saying is that they don't do it on their own. They get help along the way. And Romney agrees with that, even the government part.

    Since Romney agrees with everything that Obama said, other than one sentence that has been taken out of context, I guess all the criticism that has been leveled at Obama in this thread can also be applied to Romney.

    Here's the video where Romney's quotes came from ...


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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Wallace108 View Post
    If a business fails, can we then conclude that the owner is either not smart or not a hard worker?
    That is a "False Dillema" fallacy.... by creating an "either/or" scenerio as being the only possible option, when in reality there are more. Those who start businesses assume a certain amount of risk that you seem to either not be aware of or choose to ignore in the equation of failure/success.

    That being said...and risk assessment aside....If a business fails...yes, it is predominately the fault of the business owner. (Even if they want to use the excuse that they were overregulated.)
    If they didnt set up a three year nest egg to get them by until they are self sustaining through their own profit...If they did not do their homework, and calculate all liabilities, assets, and a profit potential based on regional socio-economic cash flow, business traffic/location, and competition...and YES....taking into consideration the UNGODLY corporate taxes this administration has laid upon businesses...then fault falls on the owner.

    HOWEVER....your fallacy falls apart when taking into consideration a certain amount of risk assessment. MR and MRS "X" start a successful small business through hardwork and deligent planning...6 years later a Super-Mega discount store is built next door and they obviously cant compete. They intitially succeeded because THEY did all the right things....and the business eventually failed without the owners being dumb or lazy.

    Your argument is flawed.
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    Re: Obama: 'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by suitanim View Post
    Ahhhhhh...literally just got off the phone with a friend who is also a client. He was in the process of opening his own business after being in that line of work for almost 20 years. He had a great business plan utilizing his knowledge to build a new company using all best practices. Here's a great example of the government "helping him build his business".

    EPA. Stage one testing. Passed with flying colors. This was an expense that was paid for by my buddy. EPA official claims that's the end of the road, his financing is clear, and he's ready to close and move in and get working.

    WHOOPS! I did say EPA. As in the FEDERAL Environmental Protection Agency (most of you, especially those in business, already know where this is headed). All of a sudden, out of the blue, they request stage II testing. This is drinking water testing, mind you, right in downtown Akron, less than a mile form where Firestone just built it's new World Headquarters building. Firestone, by the way, was required to do NO testing. Anyway, the cost is 7k. My buddy is tapped out...he's already had a bunch of out-of-pocket expenses, plus money he's lost from time away from his current job, plus other paperwork expenses etc, etc. The building's current owner refuses to pay because it's a completely unnecessary test, so.....guess what?

    No business. This is the very definition of an unfunded mandate. The EPA steps, in, requests expensive superfluous testing, nobody can or will pay for it (and the government isn't going to pay for it's own testing that it requires, hence the "unfunded" part of the equation), so, no new business.

    As a corollary,

    Other people read these stories, then say, "There is no way I'm starting a business that must have those kind of tests." So if they do start one, it's something that does not produce goods or requires any kind of foot traffic.

    Hence, the explosion of online companies.

    Then, we get to sit and watch politicians whine about jobs that produce goods going overseas.

    Since when did 2 + 2 = 5?


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