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This country becomes more and more like roman daily! It is going to get rough for all
For those i love i will sacrifice.
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You raise a good point. You've been stuck with this for several years so you're like a visitor from the future.Originally Posted by The Patriot
If you're not thrilled with this system (especially considering you lean to the left), it confirms my instincts.
Wow. A multitude of Al Qaeda, Somali pirates, Bin Laden, now the right that stood in the way of his health care bill. President "kick ass" is on a hell of a roll !
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People in power have a tendency to become more liberal and caring with other people's money...it helps them feel compassionate and good about themselves.
This is like watching the movie titanic in slow motion when you already know the ending.
"With love, with patience, and with Faith
....She'll make her way" ~ Natalie Merchant
Maybe it's a good thing I moved to Sweden.
A little humor is good medicine. And yes, it's covered under Obamacare.
People Who Say They're Moving To Canada Because Of ObamaCare
(Credit to JonM229 for posting this first)
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Interesting and hilarious. We are still waiting for all the socialists that declared the same thing when Bush got elected.
Sorry to burst their bubble though, Canada is already closer to socialism, we are just too polite and tolerant to do anything about it.
No, it's not. The role of the SC is to check the powers of Congress and the President. It does that by making sure that Congress and the President that their legislation and cations are, or are not, constitutional. In essence, Roberts said that it's not his job to decide if the law is good or bad, rather simply to determine if it meets constitutional muster. One COULD read a little deeper and see this as him saying "Hey, if y'all vote to have a Democratic House, Senate and White House, don't blame ME if they write stupid and bad laws. I can only tell you if they are constitutional."
I've also seen a lot of people call him a traitor, or not a true conservative. Well, that's silly. His record is clear...and he did a fine job honoring the constitution and limiting Congress' power in re the Commerce Clause. HOWEVER, I guess his decision maybe should not have been such a huge surprise given the long trail of clues he's left us. First off, way back at the beginning of his tenure, he emphatically stated that he did not think a Court that kept churning out 5-4 decisions based on narrow, "minimum-winning coalitions" was in the best interest of the Court. He's also stated that he thinks the Court's job is not to approach Congressional legislation from the assumption that it was on it's face unconstitutional and to then search for ways to interpret it as unconstitutional, rather assume that it is constitutional and find interpretations that confirm it as so. Which is what he did yesterday.
As always (and I'm holding my tongue, because I'd LIKE to expand my commentary here, but will restrain myself form doing so), I'll post some other opinions and sources here, in this case both George Will and Charles Krauthammer's opinions on this.
Will
http://www.unionleader.com/article/2...ON02/706299992
The case challenged the court to fashion a judicially administrable principle that limits Congress' power to act on the mere pretense of regulating interstate commerce. At least Roberts got the court to embrace emphatic language rejecting the Commerce Clause rationale for penalizing the inactivity of not buying insurance:
“The power to regulate commerce presupposes the existence of commercial activity to be regulated. … The individual mandate, however, does not regulate existing commercial activity. It instead compels individuals to become active in commerce by purchasing a product, on the ground that their failure to do so affects interstate commerce. Construing the Commerce Clause to permit Congress to regulate individuals precisely because they are doing nothing would open a new and potentially vast domain to congressional authority. … Allowing Congress to justify federal regulation by pointing to the effect of inaction on commerce would bring countless decisions an individual could potentially make within the scope of federal regulation, and — under the government's theory — empower Congress to make those decisions for him.”
If the mandate had been upheld under the Commerce Clause, the court would have decisively construed this clause so permissively as to give Congress an essentially unlimited police power — the power to mandate, proscribe and regulate behavior for whatever Congress deems a public benefit. Instead, the court rejected the Obama administration's Commerce Clause doctrine. The court remains clearly committed to this previous holding: “Under our written Constitution … the limitation of congressional authority is not solely a matter of legislative grace.”
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Krauth
http://www.postbulletin.com/news/sto...php?id=1501119
WASHINGTON — It's the judiciary's Nixon-to-China: Chief Justice John Roberts joins the liberal wing of the Supreme Court and upholds the constitutionality of Obamacare. How? By pulling off one of the great constitutional finesses of all time. He managed to uphold the central conservative argument against Obamacare, while at the same time finding a narrow definitional dodge to uphold the law — and thus prevented the court from being seen as having overturned, presumably on political grounds, the signature legislation of this administration.
Why did he do it? Because he carries two identities. Jurisprudentially, he is a constitutional conservative. Institutionally, he is chief justice and sees himself as uniquely entrusted with the custodianship of the court’s legitimacy, reputation and stature.
How to reconcile the two imperatives —one philosophical and the other institutional? Assign yourself the task of writing the majority opinion. Find the ultimate finesse that manages to uphold the law, but only on the most narrow of grounds — interpreting the individual mandate as merely a tax, something generally within the power of Congress.
Result? The law stands, thus obviating any charge that a partisan court overturned duly passed legislation. And yet at the same time the Commerce Clause is reined in. By denying that it could justify the imposition of an individual mandate, Roberts draws the line against the inexorable decades-old expansion of congressional power under the Commerce Clause fig leaf.
Law upheld, Supreme Court's reputation for neutrality maintained. Commerce Clause contained, constitutional principle of enumerated powers reaffirmed.
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Sorry, your claim is denied. Now pay your mandatory premium!!!
And so stage 3 begins:
Jindal refuses to implement Hopeycare in Louisiana...
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/l...152429092.html
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Romney has raised 4.6 million dollars in the last 28 hours.
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Battleball Champion!Is that uncommon? Meaning, is that a lot? I understand it's a lot of money, but to politicians, how long would it normally take to raise that kind of money.
In all honesty, I think Obama sees the writing on the wall and this health care debacle is his last ditch effort at sling-shotting this country into socialism. Logically it makes sense b/c he is basically drawing a line in the sand saying "this is what I intend" and thinking that he is going to be pretty blatant. IF this is what he majority of what the country wants, then this is what they get.
If he is in fact re-elected and it is at all legit, meaning the Democrat "machine" doesn't "bring back the dead" etc etc, then there is liteally no hope for this country b/c the majority of people are looking to be lazy in a big government sort of way.
I'll tell you this though. If Obama is re-elected, I am of the opinion that he will try to push for more than just two terms for presidency. Would that even be possible?
They say all marriages are made in heaven, but so are thunder and lightning.
― Clint Eastwood
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Nope, me neither. And the IRS wants that money whether your company is in the red or not and you better pay 'em or you're fucked.
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Justice Roberts did rule that the states can opt out of the health care law
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I think thats only for the medicaid expansion?
Give a lib a fish--he eats for a day
Teach a lib to fish--he is back the next day asking for more free fish.
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Yep. Lived up in Vancouver for a while...you think libs are influential here, u ain't seen nothin...
I pretty much accepted it would be passed and called it as such several months ago BECAUSE it would be identified as a 'tax'. LINK: http://www.steelersuniverse.com/foru...ama#post283746
Knew Obama/Romney Care would be around for a very long time. At the rate our government tweeks health care (70 yrs since the last adjustment ?), chances are all that post on this message board will live the rest of their lives under and part of the Affordable Health Care Act...
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And many will die waiting in line for that care.
Give a lib a fish--he eats for a day
Teach a lib to fish--he is back the next day asking for more free fish.
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Talking with a lot of friends and co-workers the past few days, I'm really amazed at the number of people who have no idea how Obamacare is going to affect them. I think a hell of a lot of people are in for a rude awakening.
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...and as the country continues to circle the drain....greedy capitalism will still be promoted as the culprit and government the solution.
Ayn Rand nailed it.
"With love, with patience, and with Faith
....She'll make her way" ~ Natalie Merchant
It's too bad more people don't realize that the government isn't the solution ... government is the problem. The answer is less government, not more government.
Well one things for certain. If I HAVE to pay for it and keep current on my payments you better believe I'm gonna use that health coverage from left and right. If so little as a grain of dirt blows into my eye I'm checking into the hospital...
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Yep. And the GOP might be holding the bag when the chickens come home to roost, so they'll get blamed. Brilliant plan really...roll out the good parts immediately, delay the bad parts until after the election, and delay the worst consequences until someone else is President.
Suit,
Do you agree with that, or are you just putting it out there for discussion? You didn't comment when you posted it.
I've seen that floated a few times now. While I basically agree with it, the fact remains that they don't *need* the interstate commerce clause anymore as a result of this ruling. They can fine you to force compliance with whatever they want and there's no due process until *after* you've been punished. Don't want to buy a Chevy Volt, Solyndra solar panels for your home, or a ticket on the train to nowhere? You don't have to, but we'll tax you.
He was very careful to avoid defining what a "confiscatory" tax is, so we're just supposed to be more careful about who we vote for to avoid ending up with representatives who will abuse this loophole. Anyone here expect the average American to start doing that all of a sudden?
"You've heard people brag about 'being in the zone'. They don't know what the Hell being in the zone is about. I played in the NFL for 15 years and I was only in the zone that one time." - "Mean" Joe Greene on the 1974 playoff victory over Oakland
If you're healthy, I recommend paying the tax surcharge and going without insurance until you need it. Otherwise, yeah... get on the government exchange insurance and make it as expensive as you possibly can for them.
If enough people do this, it will bankrupt the entire scheme in a hurry. Constitutionality notwithstanding, this system is still fiscally impossible to maintain.
"You've heard people brag about 'being in the zone'. They don't know what the Hell being in the zone is about. I played in the NFL for 15 years and I was only in the zone that one time." - "Mean" Joe Greene on the 1974 playoff victory over Oakland
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Exactly why people are going to be waiting 6+ months for check ups, treatments, and group visits due to shortages on Doctors, hospital space, and FUNDS.But sure, that'll show 'em!
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Bingo.
Invest in med insurance and hospital stock...Exactly why people are going to be waiting 6+ months for check ups, treatments, and group visits due to shortages on Doctors, hospital space, and FUNDS.
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