Tomlin says decision was his to make change at o coordinator and hire Todd Haley

[zulater]

Tomlin on whether Art Rooney pushed him to fire Arians: "He did not . . . I hired Todd Haley as well, which is your next question.''

https://twitter.com/#!/EdBouchette

[zulater]

Tomlin on using a FB: We're open to that. That will be determined by what we're able to acquire.

[suitanim]

I'm....confused. Tomlin wanted him back, and said so...then fired him on his own with no prompting from the owner? And we still have no official explanation for the firing? Why fire a guy you wanted back?

[zulater]

I'm....confused. Tomlin wanted him back, and said so...then fired him on his own with no prompting from the owner? And we still have no official explanation for the firing? Why fire a guy you wanted back?

I tweeted Bouchette and asked him if there were any follow up questions pertaining to when and why Tomlin decided to replace Arains. So far no response from Bouchette.

[steelerdude15]

The never ending saga.

[zulater]

Tomlin on why Arians was let go by #Steelers: "I thought that it was time for change."

[Godfather]

Everyone knows Tomlin is just a figurehead and can't coach and only succeeded because he inherited a full cupboard from Cowher.

[Bluecoat96]

Tomlin on why Arians was let go by #Steelers: "I thought that it was time for change."

I wonder if the initials reports concerning Tomlin wanting Arians back were either distorted or flat out wrong. That would be a shocker.

[fansince'76]

Everyone knows Tomlin is just a figurehead and can't coach and only succeeded because he inherited a full cupboard from Cowher.

And was only hired 'cause of the Rooney Rule!

[tube517]

And was only hired 'cause of the Rooney Rule!

Naw, it's his experience on "House" that got him the job. We all know he is just a puppet for Art Jonesnyderooney II.

[suitanim]

Let's please keep in mind that at the press conference following our loss to Denver, Tomlin said he expected his whole staff back. Then ROONEY said "some of the coaches are considering retiring". Then Arians contract wasn't renewed, he said he was retiring, and then he was quickly hired by the Colts.

That's a pretty clear and obvious path of exactly what went down...probably the most telling bit in all this is Arians conveniently "retiring" (to fit Rooney's story), then went to work for Indianapolis because he clearly wasn't done coaching.

I'm not sure why there is a revision of history going on here. Maybe to save Tomlin face?

[shutdown]

No it doesnt.

People are allowed to say one thing, dwell on it and decide on something else. Sure Tomlin said this after an emotional playoff loss, but you're no one to say that he didn't afterwards give it some thought or what not and changed his mind. No one knows what was said behind closed doors, no one knows what played into Tomlin making the decision.

Speculate all you want, but to me if the man says he was entirely his decision, it was entirely his decision. These conspiracy theories are only valid to tinfoil heads.

[SteelMember]

I think Rooney is hacking Tomlin's twitter account... that's the only obvious answer.

[suitanim]

I say the true conspiracy theory is looking at all the available evidence and saying that it WAS Tomlin who made the call, and not Rooney.

Rooney supposedly wanted him gone after '09. Tomlin never voiced any displeasure. Where did the whole retirement ruse come from? Tomlin is reported to have NOT ONCE changed an Arians call, or overrode him in any way. I also believe tomlin had said many time prior that he strove for continuity, which also plays into him wanting Arians back, so he not only said it directly, he also said it indirectly.

This is so obviously Rooney's decision it actually shocks me that people would do the mental gymnastics necessary to think otherwise. I also find it.........odd that it's mostly the Arians haters who have somehow leaped to the defense of Rooney, and will now be the first to jump ship and do a 180 and say it really WAS Tomlin all along.

[shutdown]

I say the true conspiracy theory is looking at all the available evidence and saying that it WAS Tomlin who made the call, and not Rooney.

Rooney supposedly wanted him gone after '09. Tomlin never voiced any displeasure. Where did the whole retirement ruse come from? Tomlin is reported to have NOT ONCE changed an Arians call, or overrode him in any way. I also believe tomlin had said many time prior that he strove for continuity, which also plays into him wanting Arians back, so he not only said it directly, he also said it indirectly.

This is so obviously Rooney's decision it actually shocks me that people would do the mental gymnastics necessary to think otherwise. I also find it.........odd that it's mostly the Arians haters who have somehow leaped to the defense of Rooney, and will now be the first to jump ship and do a 180 and say it really WAS Tomlin all along.

Says the guy who admits in his response he's solely bases his opinion on what has been REPORTED to him. Then the laughable part, if you contradict yourself by admitting you're cherry picking what REPORTS you want to believe and disbelieve.

Speculation and Assumptions are not facts in my book. The only mental gymnastics here are when someone tries to convince me they are.

[O'Malley]

Here we go again... Can of worms is open, again... Can't just take his word for it and believe he changed his mind and decieded Bruce had to go... Maybe he looked at film after they got Tebowed and decieded that Bruce was not up to the standard... @ Suit... You just have to let this go man... Mike fired Bruce and moved on and IMO upgraded the OC position.

[Craic]

Here we go again... Can of worms is open, again... Can't just take his word for it and believe he changed his mind and decieded Bruce had to go... Maybe he looked at film after they got Tebowed and decieded that Bruce was not up to the standard... @ Suit... You just have to let this go man... Mike fired Bruce and moved on and IMO upgraded the OC position.

But if he looked at film after getting Tebowed - wouldn't that mean it was the defensive OC that was not up to the standard? I mean, a supposed horrible QB hung 29 points on the Steelers stellar D. So I'm not sure how that game would result in the OC and not the DC being fired. My guess, is that Rooney decided he wasn't comfortable with the offensive and wanted a more balanced production. Tomlin wanted Arians back because "the devil you know, is better than the one you don't."

I would surmise that Tomlin got called in to the office and some very strict guidelines were set and within those, Tomlin probably talked to Arians and decided to part ways. They called it a retirement, but Arians wasn't ready for it and jumped at the opportunity to coach again.

There doesn't really need to be any conspiracy theory here folks. Tomlin seems to be the type of guy that would berate an assistant coach behind closed doors and then come out to the podium and state that "we had planned and practiced those plays all weeks and they were in the playbook for a reason. I am comfortable with the decision to use them."

It's called protecting your people. He does that, and it seems he instills loyalty by doing it.

[Chidi29]

I don't know how we can believe Arians "retired" when he's coaching now and there were never any indications that he wanted to retire. He was submitting head coaching applications the year prior.

Nor is it reasonable to think Tomlin was speaking though emotion at his presser and suddenly changed his mind. One game doesn't change your mind, good or bad. I'm sure he had given it thought during the season.

What makes the most sense are those things combined followed by the reports that backed that up. Thinking otherwise is as suit put it best, mental gymnastics.

[O'Malley]

But if he looked at film after getting Tebowed - wouldn't that mean it was the defensive OC that was not up to the standard? I mean, a supposed horrible QB hung 29 points on the Steelers stellar D. So I'm not sure how that game would result in the OC and not the DC being fired. My guess, is that Rooney decided he wasn't comfortable with the offensive and wanted a more balanced production. Tomlin wanted Arians back because "the devil you know, is better than the one you don't."

I would surmise that Tomlin got called in to the office and some very strict guidelines were set and within those, Tomlin probably talked to Arians and decided to part ways. They called it a retirement, but Arians wasn't ready for it and jumped at the opportunity to coach again.

There doesn't really need to be any conspiracy theory here folks. Tomlin seems to be the type of guy that would berate an assistant coach behind closed doors and then come out to the podium and state that "we had planned and practiced those plays all weeks and they were in the playbook for a reason. I am comfortable with the decision to use them."

It's called protecting your people. He does that, and it seems he instills loyalty by doing it.

You think he only looked at the Denver game? Bruce continually did the same things.. Score more points and don't leave a short field(which is the opposite of what Bruce did)... That's on the OC... You can't always rely on the defense to bail you out... There were plenty of oppurtunities to score and drives that stalled... Which IMO were the signature of the Bruce Arians offense. The game should not have been close to begin with.. Depending on the defense to win games every year because the offense was so inept was what I think Mike saw and the reason he got rid of Bruce... That's the point I making... You look back and tell me if I'm out of line saying that, because I saw it happen the whole time Bruce was the OC.. He didn't know how to put a game out of reach... The defense always came up big and changed the game, not the offense, barring a couple last second heroics by Ben(which without the defense he wouldn't have had the chance to come back).

[XxKnightxX]

I read about 5 of these posts, and i slammed on my spacebar key scrolling to the end of the page. Its over no use in crying over spilled milk. Haley is our OC now.

[Count Steeler]

Both sides of the Arians coin looking for vindication. Seriously folks, Tomlin is a man and he CAN lie. Is he lying here?, don't know, don't care.

Arians retired, why so hard to believe? Is he a liar? An opportunity opened up for him that was too good to pass up. If Tampa Bay or Miami called, he is probably still in retirement. He loves Indy, I believe he started his coaching days there, he went on about how special he feels there.

Rooney must wield some powerful mental abilities if he make can these guys say what he wants them to say.

[ALLD]

You think he only looked at the Denver game? Bruce continually did the same things.. Score more points and don't leave a short field(which is the opposite of what Bruce did)... That's on the OC... You can't always rely on the defense to bail you out... There were plenty of oppurtunities to score and drives that stalled... Which IMO were the signature of the Bruce Arians offense. The game should not have been close to begin with.. Depending on the defense to win games every year because the offense was so inept was what I think Mike saw and the reason he got rid of Bruce... That's the point I making... You look back and tell me if I'm out of line saying that, because I saw it happen the whole time Bruce was the OC.. He didn't know how to put a game out of reach... The defense always came up big and changed the game, not the offense, barring a couple last second heroics by Ben(which without the defense he wouldn't have had the chance to come back).

I am also glad he is gone, just like my ex-wife who was also "retired". If Arians was a horse he would have been shot.

[SteelGhost]

[fansince'76]

This.

[Count Steeler]

So who will write the first book? And who will write the rebuttal to say it was all Rooney's orchestration?

[suitanim]

It was saving face for the HC. It's as obvious as the word "obvious" can be. It's not my job to make people believe what is obviously the truth, but I don't have to be all Barney the purple Dinosaur about it when they don't, either.

Spin is spin. This was spun a LOT. Tomlin had to save face, and he did. It took too long, IMO, and should have been done right after Rooney shitcanned Arians, but it didn't. Hopefully the FO learned a PR lesson and we're good from now on...

Remember, WARD was asked to retire, too, and didn't comply with the Rooney wishes either, then (probably when he saw how skinny the contracts available to him really were) opted to go with plan A.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Naw, it's his experience on "House" that got him the job. We all know he is just a puppet for Art Jonesnyderooney II.

Honestly, I thought his performance in "Juice" opposite Tupac was his best work.

[SMR]

This x 2

[shutdown]

I don't know how we can believe Arians "retired" when he's coaching now and there were never any indications that he wanted to retire. He was submitting head coaching applications the year prior.


Nor is it reasonable to think Tomlin was speaking though emotion at his presser and suddenly changed his mind. One game doesn't change your mind, good or bad. I'm sure he had given it thought during the season.


What makes the most sense are those things combined followed by the reports that backed that up. Thinking otherwise is as suit put it best, mental gymnastics.

People retire all the time and go off to other jobs. My friend "retired" form one cities police force and went to another at age 26. And never indications he wanted to retire? You're cherry picking just like suit. I've heard talks of him retiring for the last several seasons.


Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree that the entire situation of BA was a mess and leaves a lot of room for speculation, but seriously, you're speculating as worse as anyone else.


Again I can logically see why you'd assume that is what happend, but its merely that... an assumption. Arians was your boy, so its conveinent that you'd want to believe he was somehow wronged, but you truely dont know. You don't know if Arians walked those halls talking about retirement and the Steelers used it as a nice way to show him the door. Its been "reported" (theres that word you like) that he's been talking retirement years prior.


You're trying to put a large puzzle together, not I. I say there wasn't a puzzle to begin with. It was Tomlins decsiion, everyone said it was Tomlin's decision, and that's good enough for me.

[shutdown]

It was saving face for the HC.

And that's where the speculation begins.


Once you start off on the wrong foot, then its easy to continue down the wrong path.


Why does he have to save face? Because some silly fans (definitely not the majority or even half for the matter) are butt hurt because their beloved OC wasn't handled with delicate gloves? Because the media is asking the same question after same question because there was some obvious room for speculation when a retired OC immediately lands a new job,


Spare me, no one is saving face. That is your way of spinning it you're silly point make sense.