Hey now...some of us over at Bleacher Report actually write legitimate articles...it's just the retards who get all the attention.Originally Posted by X-Terminator
Hey now...some of us over at Bleacher Report actually write legitimate articles...it's just the retards who get all the attention.
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Well yeah, the Bengal fans can't string more than a few words together before it becomes a bunch a gibberish.Hey now...some of us over at Bleacher Report actually write legitimate articles...it's just the retards who get all the attention.
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That is a very good point that I didnt think about. Nice post.
Shut up man, you don't know what you're talking abou...trained elephant had drain coke shed carson palmer how even fan raven jump lazy cat run book glasses.Well yeah, the Bengal fans can't string more than a few words together before it becomes a bunch a gibberish.
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QUOTE=CantStop85;23444]Shut up man, you don't know what you're talking abou...trained elephant had drain coke shed carson palmer how even fan raven jump lazy cat run book glasses.[/QUOTE]
Looks like some of the emails I get selling Viagra.
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This kid is still breast feeding and using a pacifier. He does have most of the credentials (based on what we see today) to be a sports writer.
1) Never played the game.
2) He's an idiot.
3) He hates any successful team. (expecially the Steelers)
4) Couldn't find his ass with both hands!!!
5) Speculation here but he probably thinks Tom Brady is the greatest ever and he is NOT GAY!!!
6) And last he's a future douchebag!!!!
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&) The only film he's ever seen on Terry Bradsaw is Failure to Launch.
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Now that's funny. And Scarey at the same time.
Since I'm an old dog that watched Bradshaw's entire career... and watched him step up in close games against my team to take the win, I'm not even going to bother reading through this thread. I'll just say here and now; Terry Bradshaw most definitely deserves to be/should be in the Hall Of Fame. Four rings, tough as nails, clutch... nuff said.
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From one old dog to another so does Stabler.
A four time SB quarterback does not belong in the Hall of Fame.....riiiiiight!
I wish to report a crime....Roger Goodell is killing the game of football!
Hey Kid, Stick it up your blog.
I was just about to write the same thing.
Take Favre's toughness and gunslinger attitude, and P Manning's cool precision and luck, and you have Brad's best seasons.
I wonder if this kid knows just how much feedback he is getting from his article. I didn't and wont go and read all the comments over at BR, but I'm sure there are plenty.
This kid will probably have a bright future in journalism because he already has a head start on BS.
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According to "kid-stat" .....dropped balls are the #1 cause of fumble related turnovers.
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Another classic example of "how do I generate hits to my blog, I know, upset the Steelers fans by saying something completely outrageous about one of their legendary icons!
SERIOUSLY! EFFING COMEDY GOLD!
Championships prior to Terry = 0
Championship with Terry = 4
Championships between Terry's Retirement and Ben Roethlisberger over 21 years apart = 0
HA HA HA HA HA! Right, he's so not deserving of the Hall of Fame! HA! HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Hope you got the blog hits you needed to validate your existance on the Bleacherpuke Server.
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Yeah, nothing like being a QB that beat fellow hall of famers 3 times in the Super Bowl. Staubach Twice, Tarkenton Once.
Yep, he shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame when considering at the time when he retired he basically owned every SB Passing record. Yep, he was "lucky"
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! Man, I haven't laughed this hard since...Tim Lumber Young Man!
SuperBowl Wins - How many does YOUR team have? Steelers 6, 49ers 5, Cowboys 5, Packers 4, Giants 4, Pats 4, Redskins 3, Raiders 3, Broncos 2, Dolphins 2, Colts 2, Ravens 2, Bears 1, Jets 1, Bucs 1, Rams 1, Chiefs 1, Saints 1, Hawks 1
Honestly not bad for a 13 year old. He took a position and tried to support it with stats. He's dead wrong and I don't like being duped into reading the writings of tweens, but for 13, not bad at all.
Tim Lumber, ROFL. I actually miss him for the comedy too!
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Was writing this blog part of your "English Composition for 7th Graders" Class?
I have so much to say about this that I'm just gonna click the little button at the top and go read another thread....
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I read the top and oldest comment (goes oldest 1st) and that comment should have educated him enough
A few others have mentioned it, but it's worth repeating. Two completely different eras, making comparison of stats meaningless. Used to be you could hit an eligible receiver downfield all you wanted. Now you do so much as put your hand on his jersey more than two steps away from the line of scrimmage, that's an automatic pass interference penalty. Look at QB stats such as passing yards, QB rating, etc. and you will see the all-time leader lists are filled almost exclusively with current players, or at least guys that played in the 90's and later.
Another flaw is the 'at least Namath threw for 4,000 yards' argument. What the author failed to note was that (a) Namath did that only once, and (b) Namath was the only NFL player to ever do that at that time. Prior to 1979, when Dan Fouts threw for 4.082 yards, nobody else threw for 4,000 yards either. Per the author's own logic John Unitas, Sonny Jurgenson, Otto Graham and Sammy Baugh are all mediocre because they never threw for 4,000 yards either.
Because of the way the game has changed it is ridiculous to use stats to compare players of different eras. If you want to use stats to compare players, the best way to do so is to see how they ranked against their peers. Bradshaw was among the top ten in yards per pass attempt seven times; he was in the top for five five straight years and was best in the league in back-to back seasons. He led the league in passing touchdowns twice and was in the top ten eight times. The author rags on Bradshaw's QB rating but does not take into account what the QB rating typically was then; Bradshaw ranked in the top eight in QB rating six times.
Then of course there is also that matter of four rings, a 14-5 playoff record, and a 121-56 overall record as the starter.
Bottom line is that even if you discount the championships, stats actually back up the case for Bradshaw being in the Hall of Fame, rather than making a case against him.
One of the dumbest anti-steelers article ever.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...e-hall-of-fame
The Oxy-Moronic Train of Thought Regarding The Hall of Fame.
There is a building in Canton, Ohio. The name of this particular building is called the Pro Football Hall of Fame. It is a place where every kid that has ever strapped a helmet onto his head has had the dream of having a bronze bust of themselves in this building.
The reason for the Pro Football Hall of Fame is to honor the men that have made professional football what it is today, America's Past Time. (Sorry baseball, you lost that title LONG ago).
Recently, here on Bleacher Report, there have been writers that are calling into question the fact that there are men in the Hall of Fame, that do not deserve to be in there.
Now, my personal opinion is, there are people in there that do not deserve to be in there. However, my opinion does not matter, because I do not get a vote as to whom is in there.
Likewise, there are people that are not currently in the Hall of Fame that I believe should be. But, once again, my opinion does not matter, as I do not get a vote as to whom is in there.
If you have noticed, to this point, I have called the building, the HALL OF FAME. I did not call it the Hall of Stats, I called it, the Hall of Fame.
The reason for that is, simply put, there are many aspects to the game of football that CANNOT be measured. Can you measure heart? Can you measure determination? Can you measure courage? Leadership?
No, no, no, and no.
The two men that have been called into question are, Joe Namath of the New York Jets, and Terry Bradshaw , of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Yes, it is true that these two men do not have the statistics of someone like Dan Marino or Peyton Manning. But, as I said, that is not what this is about.
Joe Namath was the quarter back of the New York Jets in Super Bowl III. At that point, the NFL had been dominating the AFL, making many people wonder if there was even a reason to have a Super Bowl, simply because the AFL was not as good as the NFL.
At a press conference in the days leading up the the big game, Namath was so sick of hearing how the Colts were simply going to pound the Jets, that Namath made a guarantee that would change the world of sports.
Namath said that not only were the Jets going to win, but that he GUARANTEED that they were going to win.
See, unlike sports today, people didn't guarantee anything back in those days. Had the Colts defeated the Jets, it would have possibly been the end of the AFL. The Colts were favored to win the game by, somewhere between 15-17 points.
And Namath delivered. He led his Jets to the only Super Bowl in the history of the team, and he did it in a way, that made him running off the field, waving his one finger in the air, that is still used today in NFL videos.
Did he have the stats? No, but he changed the game of football by delivering on a guarantee.
Terry Bradshaw was the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers during their days of dominance in the 70's. When Bradshaw was drafted with the first overall pick in the 1970 draft, the Steelers had not even won a playoff game to that point in their existence.
Bradshaw was the first, and one of only two men to ever be able to say that they started four Super Bowls, and won them all. The only other person that can say that, is Joe Montana.
Now, detractors will point to the facts that Bradshaw had the Steel Curtain on the other side of the ball, and that was one of the best defenses to ever play the game. They will then point to the fact that Franco Harris, Mike Webster, Lynn Swann and John Stallworth, are all members of the Hall of Fame.
The other side of that coin might be looked at like, would Harris, Webster, Swann and Stallworth all made it to the Hall of Fame, without Terry Bradshaw?
Bradshaw also holds the distinction of being able to say that, in every one of his Super Bowl victories, in the fourth quarter, with the game on the line, Bradshaw threw a touch down pass to either give the Steelers the lead, or to put the game away.
Did he have the stats? No, but when the game is on the line, he delivered, EVERYTIME.
To all of the people out there that only want to look at the numbers on the stat sheets, please remember one thing, the NFL was A LOT different in the 70's, than it is today.
Back then, corners were permitted to "bump" the receivers until the ball was in the air, not the five yards that they have today.
Defensive men were allowed to strike the quarter back for TWO FULL STEPS after the ball was out of his hands. Today, the QB's know that once the ball is out of their hands, they won't be touched.
Not only that, back then, you could swing at the head of the quarterback, right in front of the official, and he would not even THINK about throwing his flag. Today, they throw the flag if a defensive player bumps the legs of the quarterback after the ball is thrown.
Please remember, the stats all look wonderful, but the reality is, the game is not played on a piece of paper, it is played on a field. What happens on the field is considerably more important than anything you can read about on Monday morning.
If you don't believe that someone deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, I can respect that. But, you need to respect the fact that the sacrifices that they have made to be there is more than anything most ever came close to doing.
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That article gets the 0 credibility stamp. Gamer and a winner. That's all that needs said.
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The NFL/AFL merger was agreed upon in 1966. :rolleyes2:See, unlike sports today, people didn't guarantee anything back in those days. Had the Colts defeated the Jets, it would have possibly been the end of the AFL.
lol, true!
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Overrated? lol...okay.
Bradshaw was lights out passing in 1978 and 1979 seasons for that era. An era not known for passing...hence all the low pass numbers...ACROSS THE LEAGUE. He was second in the league in '79 and I believe Top 3 in '78...maybe Top 5 at the worst? The rest of his career he was steady. Funny how this guy writes this article more than 30 years after the era Bradshaw played. Of course he wouldn't make the Hall by today's standards. Half the Hall wouldn't...lol.
The Hall of Fame is more than just numbers and that's what Joshie doesn't get. Bradshaw threw for over 3900 yards in '79 second only to Dan Fouts who threw for 4100.
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A Player's Statistics Must Be Measured In the Context of His Era
By Carl Ragsdale (Contributor)
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When evaluating a football player, statistics are by far the most popular measure. While it has many flaws, the stat sheet does do a decent job of giving us an idea of how successful any one player is. The danger of statistics is that, taken alone, they can be the most misleading measure of a player's success.
An important component of a player's statistics is the time in which he played in and what was typical of that time. Without this component, it becomes impossible to compare players of different eras, with rules so different that it is almost like playing a different game.
One exaggerated example of this mistake would be to compare the statistics of Dan Marino and Sammy Baugh. Both are Hall of Fame quarterbacks and two of the greatest ever. However, a statistical comparison would be ridiculously lopsided in favor of Marino because the era he played in allowed for passing statistics that would have been alien in Baugh's era.
This brings me to the point of my article. The flaw in judgement explained above has been used to argue that two quarterbacks, namely Joe Namath and Terry Bradshaw, should not be in the Hall of Fame. Here are their stats for reference:
Bradshaw: 168 games, 51.9 completion percentage, 27,989 passing yards, 212 passing touchdowns, 210 interceptions, 32 rushing touchdowns, 70.9 quarterback rating
Namath: 140 games, 50.1 completion percentage, 27,663 passing yards, 173 passing touchdowns, 220 interceptions, 7 rushing touchdowns, 65.5 quarterback rating
While those stats surely look unimpressive to the casual fan, it is important to remember that before the illegal contact rule took effect in 1978, those were solid statistics.
Here are some more things to think about before you scream about how bad Bradshaw and Namath's stats are:
-Of the top 65 quarterbacks all time in passer rating, only five played the majority of their careers before the illegal contact rule (started in 1978). All five of them are in the Hall of Fame.
-Notable quarterbacks that have a higher quarterback rating than Johnny Unitas: Aaron Brooks, Matt Cassel, Jeff George, Jason Campbell, and Brian Griese.
-A 4,000 yard season in today's NFL is old news. In the 1970's it was almost the equivalent of a 5,000 yard season today. (Fun fact: Namath had the NFL's first ever 4,000 yard season in 1967.)
To take another example, Johnny Unitas is considered by many to be the very greatest quarterback to ever play the game (Montana would have something to say about that, but that's for a different debate). Did anybody know that Unitas threw more interceptions than touchdowns EIGHT times in his 17 year career and had "only" a 78.2 quarterback rating? Should he even be in the Hall of Fame for that?
Now, if it took you more than one microsecond to scream "(expletive) YES" to the previous question, that's my hand coming through the computer screen to slap some sense into you. The point of that stat is that it was commonplace in the league at that time to throw more interceptions than touchdowns as even the greatest quarterback of that era did so several times.
Where is this going, you may ask? Well, Bradshaw and Namath's quarterback statistics were actually good for the time they played in, and that is without even accounting for the postseason accolades that Bradshaw accumulated and Namath's history altering guarantee.
I admit: I'm only 19 years old. I haven't had the chance to see the great players of the 1970's and 1960's play. What I do understand is the many rule changes that have happened since then:
-the Mel Blount rule
-the Ty Law rule
-the Tom Brady rule
-rules against hitting receivers in the helmets
-hitting defenseless receivers
-hitting quarterbacks in the head
-etc.
If you don't understand the impact that these rule changes have had on the game, you have no right to evaluate the player statistics of the past. It was much more difficult to throw the ball in the 1970's than it is in today's NFL, and you must account for that when comparing across different eras.
The rule changes aren't the only thing that have changed since the time Namath and Bradshaw played. Ever heard of this thing called the West Coast offense? Of course you have. One of the most popular and successful offensive schemes of all time, the West Coast offense was not around during the time these quarterbacks played.
This meant that quarterbacks weren't throwing three yard slants to their receiver and benefiting from lots of YAC, like many quarterbacks today do to inflate their stats. The quarterbacks of the past had to sling it down the field against tight coverage (no such thing as illegal contact), which results in more dangerous throws, much lower completion percentages, and more interceptions for all quarterbacks.
So, before you claim that a Hall of Fame quarterback is not Hall of Fame worthy, always remember the era that that particular quarterback played in before you go bashing sub par stats. Otherwise, I could blindly bash just about every HOF quarterback that played in the 1970's and before.
A wise comment from a young person. All excellent points. You can only really compare players of the same era. It's simply foolish to compare today's athlete to yesterday's. Example: Babe Ruth, for several years in a row, by himself out-homered every other TEAM in the majors. So to compare his 50+ homers a year to today's inflated stats is simply ludicrous. But some people will always try, I suppose.
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