No decision: Browns must trade up for RG3

[suitanim]

I just look back at another QB who had all the skills and failed, Tim Couch. The Browns are a LITTLE farther along than they were in 99, as they actually have more than ZERO legitimate offensive lineman...but they also misused Couch badly.

[Chidi29]

I just look back at another QB who had all the skills and failed, Tim Couch. The Browns are a LITTLE farther along than they were in 99, as they actually have more than ZERO legitimate offensive lineman...but they also misused Couch badly.

You're right but it's true for any rookie QB. They have to be used properly.

McCoy appeared to have been misused his rookie year. There's a prime example. Daboll verbally abused him.

[suitanim]

McCoy seemed like he came along a bit in the WCO, though. If they draft RGIII they'll probably end up destroying two young QB's...

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Lets just say that hypothetically Manning goes to Miami, Flynn goes to Washington and Arizona decides to stay with Kolb. There will not be as many suitors for that #2 pick with St Louis and the Browns will most likely be the main player in trading up.

St Louis doesnt want the #2 pick, because they dont need RGIII, so that pick has the potential of going from a sellers market to more of a buyers market. Browns should and will get it done I believe. Colt McCoy vs a strong arm, Heisman winning QB that runs a 4.4 is a no brainer. I bet it gets done before the free agent frenzy.

[suitanim]

Heckert said today there are a lot of scenarios where the Browns trade down for picks. That has worked well for them. Manning isn't going to the Redskins, and they (much more so than the Browns) have the history of throwing picks in the toilet to move up in the draft. I think Flynn goes to Cleveland.

I'm betting on the Washington Snyder's to win the RGIII contest.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Heckert said today there are a lot of scenarios where the Browns trade down for picks. That has worked well for them. Manning isn't going to the Redskins, and they (much more so than the Browns) have the history of throwing picks in the toilet to move up in the draft. I think Flynn goes to Cleveland.

I'm betting on the Washington Snyder's to win the RGIII contest.

That could definately happen.

I think the Rams have to make the deal soon, or after some QB's settle with other teams in free agency, they will lose some leverage. If the Browns, Dolphins, Cardinals, back out....then it leaves Washington with more leverage than they had with all the competition for RGIII

[Chidi29]

The way I've always looked at it is that if you think Griffin is a franchise QB and you have question marks about McCoy (Which they probably do, no one is saying he's awful but he certainly isn't franchise either) then you go after the franchise QB. It's the most important piece. Just take a look at who the rest of your division has under center.

[suitanim]

The reason they are looking so closely at Flynn is the system he can run. They are obviously putting all their proverbial eggs in the WCO offense. As with many other things in this free agency/draft, we will soon see...

[ShutDown24]

The way I've always looked at it is that if you think Griffin is a franchise QB and you have question marks about McCoy (Which they probably do, no one is saying he's awful but he certainly isn't franchise either) then you go after the franchise QB. It's the most important piece. Just take a look at who the rest of your division has under center.

That's generally how I look at it as well. If you don't have that franchise guy in place you have to go after every opportunity you available to draft one. If the Browns like him that much, they should do everything in their power to get him.

However, if I'm the Browns I think I prefer to continue building the rest of the team and wait for some other year to go after my quarterback. I like Griffin, and I realize that makes my point seem rather contradictory. But I feel like using the high picks this year to improve the rest of the roster will make a tremendous impact on the core of players around the eventual franchise quarterback.

It's definitely debatable. I think Griffin can win in this league, but is he in that top 20% or so of quarterbacks that you need to win a championship? I don't know. And if I don't know - I don't think I sacrifice everything to acquire him.

[Chidi29]

That's generally how I look at it as well. If you don't have that franchise guy in place you have to go after every opportunity you available to draft one. If the Browns like him that much, they should do everything in their power to get him.

However, if I'm the Browns I think I prefer to continue building the rest of the team and wait for some other year to go after my quarterback. I like Griffin, and I realize that makes my point seem rather contradictory. But I feel like using the high picks this year to improve the rest of the roster will make a tremendous impact on the core of players around the eventual franchise quarterback.

It's definitely debatable. I think Griffin can win in this league, but is he in that top 20% or so of quarterbacks that you need to win a championship? I don't know. And if I don't know - I don't think I sacrifice everything to acquire him.

You never know when you'll get the chance to draft a franchise QB though. You might not get the same opportunity next year. If you have the chance now, take it.

[Count Steeler]

You never know when you'll get the chance to draft a franchise QB though. You might not get the same opportunity next year. If you have the chance now, take it.

I still don't buy the "sure bet" in the NFL. RGIII may look like the real deal, but the Pros is just at another level. He may end up being better than McCoy, but he may not. McCoy looks like he has potential and has already spent 2 years in the league. I would take a chance on McCoy and use my 2 1st round picks to shore up weaknesses on the rest of the team.

Heck, I don't even think Luck is a "sure bet", especially now that Indy has cleaned house. What is Arians going to coach next year?

Any bettors on Indy going 0-18?

[Chidi29]

I still don't buy the "sure bet" in the NFL. RGIII may look like the real deal, but the Pros is just at another level. He may end up being better than McCoy, but he may not. McCoy looks like he has potential and has already spent 2 years in the league. I would take a chance on McCoy and use my 2 1st round picks to shore up weaknesses on the rest of the team.

Heck, I don't even think Luck is a "sure bet", especially now that Indy has cleaned house. What is Arians going to coach next year?

Any bettors on Indy going 0-18?

I didn't say he was a sure bet. It's implied that when you're talking about a draft prospect, certaintity does not exist. But if you think Griffin is the guy, from what you and your scouts think, then you go for it.

The picks you make to give McCoy a better supporting cast are no sure things either.

[Count Steeler]

I didn't say he was a sure bet. It's implied that when you're talking about a draft prospect, certaintity does not exist. But if you think Griffin is the guy, from what you and your scouts think, then you go for it.

The picks you make to give McCoy a better supporting cast are no sure things either.

Agreed. It is very much an inexact science.

[7willBheaven]

Looks like it doesnt matter as the Redskins and Rams have a agreement for the pick. 3 first rounders and a 2nd.

[Chidi29]

Looks like it doesnt matter as the Redskins and Rams have a agreement for the pick. 3 first rounders and a 2nd.

Surprised the Rams made a deal this early but looking at what they got, they weren't getting anything better than that.

[tube517]

http://tracking.si.com/2012/03/10/re...ire-no-2-pick/

According to Jay Glazer, the Rams will also get two future first-rounders and other picks. If the agreement is indeed in place, the Rams will pick sixth in the 2012 draft.

[st33lersguy]

Now it looks like McCoy will receive some actual help on offense with Blackmon or Richardson likely the pick. From a steeler fan perspective I would rather go up against RG3 and nothing else than McCoy and a talent like Blackmon or Richardson

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Surprised the Rams made a deal this early but looking at what they got, they weren't getting anything better than that.

The longer the Rams waited, the less they were going to get for the pick. It was in their best interest to drive up all the bidders before free agency got rolling.

[Chidi29]

The longer the Rams waited, the less they were going to get for the pick. It was in their best interest to drive up all the bidders before free agency got rolling.

I suppose. I would have thought that after the "big two" were gone, Manning and Flynn, the teams that didn't snag either would really be in a tough spot, giving the Rams even more leverage. But great deal for St. Louis. Also got a future second round pick, too. Blackmon could very well be there at 7 when they pick. I know Cleveland could take him but receivers are prone to drop. Just as we saw the year we took Sweed; Donnie Avery was the first recevier taken with the first pick in the secons round.

[7willBheaven]

The Rams got a good deal i think...not sure a team would have given up more than 3 1sts...I heard before they wanted at least 2 plus some other lower picks...and they got more than that. Now they really have some fire power to build a team around Bradford with. The Redskins on the other had may have to build their team around free agency and later round picks. Hopefully this move doesnt screw them over long term.

[suitanim]

The one thing that this whole RGIII/Manning lottery process did was show a LOT of QB's how little their teams actually think of them. Sanchez, McCoy, Kolb, Tebow (although one could argue that Denver was hiring a mentor), Smith et al got a real wake-up call...