Officially screwed at CB…lol.
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Officially screwed at CB…lol.
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Played outside, slot and a little bit of safety in some formations.
Big loss.
It’s not even a terrible deal…
I would gladly have seen the steelers pay that ... he was a top 5 corner and to get him at top 15-18 money is a great deal for a player of his ability and knowledgeQuote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
ouch.....
Wow! The Steelers must not think Sutton is even close to a CB1 because they just let Sutton go for CB2 money. I sure hope Kahn has a plan and they’ve targeted a CB in free agency. Not a great start to free agency.
True, it appears to be a very reasonable deal. I have to wonder why Sutton is no longer with the Steelers at that price. Maybe the Steelers made no real effort to keep him, and Sutton felt jilted and left without giving the Steelers a chance to match or offer more. I guess it is also possible the Steelers do not think he is worth that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
CB was already a need, and now it is a massive need to be addressed in FA and/or the draft.
Too Bad. However, cornerback is arguably one of (if not THE) deepest position in the draft.
For all those who said "I don't mind that we're paying Trubisky $8 million to be a backup" and "paying William Jackson III $3 million to sit on IR didn't hurt anything" ... well, here's what that money could've been used for. Instead, now we've got one more problem.
The steelers could easily offer this contract to Sutton even with that.....It's just the steelers or Sutton said no to it...I think this is more about the steelers....Quote:
Originally Posted by steelreserve
He must have a plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
Also, do the Steelers offer two seasons guaranteed? May be why that deal was done in Detroit and not Pittsburgh.
Ahkello Witherspoon
Levi Wallace
James Pierre (RFA)
Arthur Maulet
Duke Dawson
Madre Harper
Chris Wilcox
There must be more to it…must be some plan in place…right??
REMEMBER:
Nothing is official until Wednesday…
The steelers way were great 10-15 years ago and before that but now,this is just terrible....The steelers are so slow to adjust of the current NFL.Just awful
so you are saying the team is stupid then or smart ?Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
the way I see it is its a really poor move ( or non move if you will) ....
as it stands we have NO starting quality corners on the roster ...
sure there is spoon who can be one of the best in the league this week and the next two stink it up to then rebound the following 3 as all world and then go on season ending IR but thats not my idea of a solid starter on paper ....
They are stupid...Just look at my post 14Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
Didn't I read somewhere Mr. Dulac said Sutton wouldn't get $10 mil a year? :chuckle:
The guaranteed money is less than $8M/yr.
Dulac know nothing...So far I had predict that Hargrave was to have at least 20 millions per year and Sutton at least 10....This is not 2018!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoes
I forgot to add the :chuckle: I will correct that :chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
Might be the first two years guaranteed though…which for the Steelers, that’s a big deal…Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
It seems difficult to wrap our heads around right now. But in a couple weeks when all the other moves shake out...it likely makes more sense.
It have no choice....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
it better because at this current state of the team Maulet is likely a starter ..........let that sink inQuote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
They were never going to pay Sutton that kind of coin. We can debate where it falls within the overall CB salary market leaguewide, but the Steelers have never placed that kind of value on the position.
They pay front 7 and safeties and get by with adequate at best CBs. Then they hope they get lucky here or there with a draft and develop guy. They have been doing that for what? 20 years? More?
Finally, you can go look up the stats and various ratings. Very (very) few CBs are good season to season. They have an up year and then a down and then an up or whatever. Sutton just had the best year he's ever had. Steelers weren't going to pay for that year and then have him have a down one.
I am not saying all of these things are correct or that we should fall in step with that line of thinking. But once Sutton got offers north of $8 million per year...Khan and company likely helped him pack.
sad face
Those numbers are very reasonable.
I understand that Khan must have a plan, but they better be planning on moving down in the draft to acquire more picks. There are more holes than draft picks and they just lost maybe the best FA on their roster at a signable rate.
You can't overreact to this stuff. The Steelers have been linked to other CBs in FA so who knows. I just don't like the start here. Letting your best, young CB walk and signing an old man at the same position isn't a step in the right direction.
There is a long way to go, but it is a little gut punch right out of the gate.
Since deals can't be signed until Wednesday, I'd love for the Steelers to step up and beat this offer and keep Sutton. Guys change their minds every year.
Im hoping for a "Ryan Clark is signing with Miami" situationQuote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
First Hilton, now Sutton. Two quality guys that played big roles. But hey we signed an old dude from the Vikings ... nothing to see here.
It is unfortunate. The position that we are probably the worst at scouting talent for is the position in recent years that we cant keep 2 guys that can actually ballQuote:
Originally Posted by EzraTank
I liked Sutton. His value was his extreme versatility. And it was cool to see him progress through his career.
But I wonder if the Eagles game capped his value. I think he played but I may be wrong. Either way that game showed that the Steelers didn’t have anyone that could cover high end wideouts. So maybe not willing to give out top 15-20 money for a “#2” corner - whatever that means.
I think $11-12M is CB2 money in the current market. For whatever reason, they did not value him as someone who couldn't easily be replaced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
The truth is we don’t know the conversations between the Steelers and Sutton. There really is an offseason/FA/Draft plan every single year. Sutton leaving most likely has nothing to do with an ‘on-field value perspective’. Most likely there is an amount they would bring him back for, want to bring him back for, but the Lions offered over that amount. Sutton is not ring chasing with us or the Lions. Looks to me that it was a very easy decision based on dollars. But, and I feel this is an important point, dollars offered doesn’t necessarily equal on-field value. Sometimes it is just sticking to the plan. Just business, not personal or emotional.
Big "Roles". They were not superstars for the Steelers. They were just extremely good at the roles the Steelers asked them to do. All the power to them if they want to take greater opportunities elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by EzraTank
If teams like the Bengals and Lions want to pay role players big time money, all the best to them. Hilton is doing very well for himself, and I wish the same fortune to Sutton.
The Steelers haven't had a top-flight corner since Woodson, and even then they couldn't keep him on board forever. They like the Ike Taylor/Deshea Townsend types who can do as they are asked to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Yeah they wouldn't want another Rod Woodson! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Edman
Don’t let the splashier names in free agency overshadow this signing. There are two key Next Gen Stats categories in which Sutton ranked as the third-best outside corner in the NFL last season: receptions over expected allowed (-9.5) and ballhawk rate (20.8%). Though he was part of a Steelers secondary that had some challenges as a unit, Sutton allowed just 411 total yards in coverage, according to PFF, which ranked fifth-best among corners who logged at least 400 coverage snaps.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel