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Please watch video and decide for yourself if you wish to take this vaccine.
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I am not scared of a vaccine. What I am scared of - and what you should be scared of too - is the government requiring you to get it or be soft-locked out of society.
"See? It's not REQUIRED - you're free to decide for yourself, you big conspiracy theorist. Oh, you want to apply for this job? Vaccination record, please. Sorry, we have to keep it on file for every employee. It's state policy - you understand. Oh, you want to get on this plane? Vaccination record, please, it's FAA rules. You want to renew your driver's license? Vaccination record, please. Driving is a privilege, not a right. You want to get on the bus? Vaccination record, please. Oh, you're walking to the grocery store? This is a public sidewalk - vaccination record, please. There could be other people around, you know."
That aside, since for some reason they were in an all-fired frenzy to push an mRNA vaccine through instead of the normal kind using dead viral cells ... and the normal vaccine using dead viral cells will work for COVID-19 just like any other virus ... and a number of those are in development and supposedly coming in a matter of weeks ... I would rather get the normal kind.
Having said THAT, I also see little benefit to myself, personally, in getting a vaccine for a disease that poses less danger to me than, say, walking down the street and being randomly struck by a stray arrow from a crossbow.
Trump supporters will just buy into the next conspiracy theories making the membership in the crazy anti-vax crowd explode lol. I wonder if this would change if Trump stayed the president and you know, kept taking credit for 'making' the vaccine
Well in a little over a month, we are going to find out, now aren't we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire Goodell
Might be worthwhile to do a little research on Brighteon. Very little credibility. I have no skin in the game, but if a reliable vaccine will bring my business back faster....I’m all for it.
We will. I'm a traveler so I'll definitely expect to have to get it at some point. No country will want us Americans on their soil thanks to the idiots that constantly deny science, so I'll likely have to have proof of vaccination to enter another country.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelreserve
Yeah, I wouldn't want any of these lockdown advocates who deny science coming into my country either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire Goodell
You are aware that things in the rest of the world are just the same as here with this virus, restrictions or no restrictions, right? Blaming it on the Ignorant American is just a caricature that the left likes to use because it helps them self-reinforce their Hate America strategy, and convince each other that everybody wanted to vote against themselves. My god, I have never seen such a group of people so entranced with staring at their own navels.
European countries extend lockdownsQuote:
Originally Posted by steelreserve
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-re...1d3846317.htmlQuote:
European countries extend lockdowns amid surge in COVID-19 cases - Axios
Shawna ChenNov 26, 2020 - World
Recent spikes in COVID-19 infections across Europe have led authorities to extend restrictions ahead of the holiday season.
Why it matters: "Relaxing too fast and too much is a risk for a third wave after Christmas," said European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen.
Germany’s shutdown, which was planned to last four weeks beginning Nov. 2, will remain through Dec. 20 in an attempt to lower the number of new cases in each region from the current 140 per 100,000 inhabitants per week to fewer than 50, the AP reports.
- The country will enforce additional restrictions to private gatherings, expand mask mandates, reduce the count of customers allowed in stores and discourage traditional New Year’s Eve fireworks.
Greece’s current lockdown, due to end Nov. 30, will be extended for one weekamid a surge in cases.
- Residents are only allowed to leave home for specific reasons, such as work, health, essential purchases, exercise or walking a pet, and they have to send a text or carry self-declaration.
- A 9 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew remains in place.
Lithuania has also extended its lockdown until Dec. 17, while Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez is considering limiting Christmas celebrations to six people.
- France recently eased its restrictions, moving into a three-stage process out of lockdown.
Not for me. I'll wait and see what happens over a period of time before I get vaccinated. I'm not an anti vaxxer at all. I just don't trust anything that was pushed along this fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire Goodell
Well..... if we were given the truth and they were up front and transparent with this thing from the start, maybe people would be more understanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire Goodell
We were lied to from the start. We are still being lied to. Every day the bullshit changed about what we need to do or didn't need to do. It's still the same. One person's business is shut down while an industry is allowed to open the exact same set up right beside that person. I guess the virus doesn't travel across the lot...lol. The rules and the bullshit don't make any sense. I wonder why no one gives a shit anymore???
As they say... you reap what you sow. The government sucks at sowing.
Hmmm....
https://youtu.be/Tq8SXOBy-4w
Welp...since the US didn't purchase nearly enough of either of the vaccines...I don't think you will have to worry. Most of us likely won't see opportunities to make a choice about being vaccinated until the late spring or early summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by silver & black
And the liberals will continue believing everything the liberal media tells them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire Goodell
I didn't think it would be any earlier than that, regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
I'll take the vaccine when it's available... if things seem to be going alright with it. I know I won't be allowed to work or do anything the rest of my life, if I don't take it. CONTROL.
Don't worry, Biden will fix it from his basement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Just as long as he doesn't accidentally knock himself out trying to fondle his dog or something like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by steelreserve
no the white houseQuote:
Originally Posted by steelreserve
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on this we can agree , but most of us will not be able to get it till early summer . so by then we should have more info .Quote:
Originally Posted by silver & black
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Originally Posted by T&B fan
Probably not. But man, I've never seen people so enthusiastic about shooting themselves in the face and thinking they showed you what's up.
I let most of these pass, but holy mackerel. Could anyone post this kind of irony with a straight face? Is that possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by steelreserve
Says the guy who believes everything he hears from right wing media lol. the difference is the right wing media went down the road of batshit conspiracy theories with no factual basis whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
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I thought you guys wanted to open the economy, here's your chance. Get vaccinated and businesses open. I believe scientists with 20+ years in their field over some middle aged rednecks watching youtube videos as 'research'Quote:
Originally Posted by steelreserve
Conspiracy, you mean the conspiracy theory when we said Biden is as corrupt as Clintons. Media laughed and didn’t cover before election . Now we find out everyone ,including bill barr which is disappointing knew Hunter under investigation. And sleepys bro under investigation. Stay tuned, more to come. Swallwell is biggest joke, claiming Trump collusion after he slept with chinese spy who infiltrated his office. You can’t make this shit up. 2 years from now results will show election rigged. Sorry nothing we can do now.
Right now it's perfectly clear arguing with Biden voters is nothing but a waste of time. They're dead set in their ways and nothing is going to change their minds. It's like talking to a wall and expecting it to talk back
I mean, the science says you open the economy with or without a vaccine. Back in March.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire Goodell
lol the irony is seriously so thick with this statement. look at yourself in the mirrorQuote:
Originally Posted by st33lersguy
Apparently you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by cubanstogie
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I liken it to arguing with my drive way. I don't even bother any more.Quote:
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The truth is, neither "side" is going to be swayed, so... I guess we are all guilty as charged. It will always be this way... always has been. Maybe not as bad as it is now, but it's always been this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire Goodell
Edited for accuracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by st33lersguy
This “Libtard,” who has voted for far more Republicans in his lifetime, will be one of the first to criticize Biden when warranted.
The closest thing to criticism of Trump by his cult followers is, “ I know he’s an asshole, But....... :nono:
WOW! You guys really can’t help turning every one of these threads in to a political insult fest.
It's the nature of the beast. Political talk will always be contentious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkman
For the record: Even though we disagree politically (some of us), I would sit down and have a beer with any of you and shoot the shit. :drink: This is a good forum with good people. Politics just suck.
Curious...are any of you that were touting Hydroxycholorouquine back in the spring, still believing that it is a drug to treat Covid-19?
All the videos and links of "Doctors" that said it was successful in treating Covid-19, that you posted. Do you still think those people were correct, or otherwise?
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Yup, there is a certain element of grade school name calling that some like to lead with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkman
I'm not a Dr. so, I have no idea. I don't recall touting any treatment as a cure or doing any good. But, if a Dr. said it was helpful or possibly of some use against this virus, why would I or anyone else question him/her?Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
If I recall correctly, many people that took it reported feeling much better afterward. Why are you asking.... and what point are you trying to make?
So, just because a Dr. says something is helpful, or useful on a Youtube video, is not a sole reason to believe it. First you should find out what kind of Dr. that person is and next you should find out if that Dr. has published any studies, been credible or have license suspended, etc. A General Practitioner Dr. is not the same knowledge level on virus as an Epidemiologist, Intensivists, etc. There were posts in the spring from some GP in Houston and others touting HCL, while many trials, epidemiologists, etc. said it showed no significant benefit with COVID.Quote:
Originally Posted by silver & black
If Hydroxychloroquine was so good, as per these GP's, forensic Psychologistss, etc. then why would there be this need for a vaccine to be produced? Why would the President and Guliani be treated with Remdesivir and Regeneron Cocktail and not Hydroxy, if it was so beneficial?
I just want to see if those who touted Hydroxy, can now recognize that it wasn't any type of wonder drug or beneficial and that those videos and sources they so believed in were incorrect?
I also wonder where and who told you that many people who took it reported feeling better afterwards? I dont recall any of that from any impartial trials that I read about.
I hear Andrew Yang is running for NYC mayor, I'll be following that. Out of all the candidates I've seen recently he's the only one who's addressing the real problems in America (politicial division and automation putting masses of people out of work, and it'll be only getting worse). Of course the DNC blackballed him for telling the truth.
Politics aside, if you could see what AI is already capable of, not only blue collar workers will be out of the job, but machines can put white collar jobs like doctors and lawyers out of work. AI has been able to detect cancers and diseases with higher accuracy than our best doctors can. At the rate technology is advancing, in another 10 years no jobs will be safe if machines can do it better.
Well, I just remember in the beginning of this thing that it was a drug that gained some acclaim as being productive in alleviating symptoms. I honestly don't know as I am not in the medical field.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
After 10 months of this virus, it seems that no one still knows much... or is willing to be honest and up front with the general public about it.
Again, I don't recall Hydroxy being touted as a cure or wonder drug for CV19... just a drug that may help with symptoms. Is that a bad thing?
That begs the question: what becomes of us? Are we just going to be taken care of from cradle to grave? How? I see a "Logan's Run" scenario in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire Goodell
I thought I would share this with all of you. I'm on a bourbon forum and there is a scientist that has been keeping us informed of things. He works in the veterinary biology/ disease field. This is a few posts between us.
Someone posted that the Pfizer COVID vaccine is not being produced in the U. S. That is not true. It is being produced in the old Upjohn Building 41 manufacturing site in Portage, Michigan. I actually called a friend of mine that works at that facillity and it was confirmed. In fact, the first shipments will leave tomorrow morning. We had the CBS national news in town earlier this week to do a story on the vaccine production at this site. Pfizer will own multiple other vaccine production site around the globe so the vaccine is likely being produced elsewhere.
Albert Bourla did a good job as a CEO pushing his team to get this done ASAP. But then again, he is a veterinarian and knew that a vaccine was quickly doable based on that experience. Everyone that gets the vaccine should thank veterinary Medicine for the fundamental knowledge about corona viruses that allowed for this vaccine to be developed so quickly. They deserve as much credit as the medical profession. This vaccine is a true example of the what the One Health process can do.
It's good to hear from you. Your posts are always very informative.
Question: How concerned should we be about taking any of these vaccines? I know I will be on the very end of getting one of them, but should I be concerned about health issues/side effects afterward?
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StarSurfer55
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So I sat through the entire FDA advisory board meeting on Thursday. This was my fourth advisory board meeting to attend ( I have participated in one and sat in on two others prior to this). IT was a typical Advisory board meeting. The initial presentation by FDA always tells you which way the wind is blowing and theirs indicate that they were likely to approve. There overall consensus was that the vaccine was safe and effective in the target Study group of 18-55 year olds. The final vote was 17–4-1 with the four dissenting votes from person concerned that the was an insuffiicient number of 16-17 year olds included in the trial. Keep in mind that that study trial desigis done in collaboration with the FDA and is legally binding on both the sponsor and agency. Pfizer did expand the study to try to include the younger group as well as HIV, HCB and HCA positive individuals. There were concerns expressed about the adverse events in the two UK patients. It appers that one of them had an extreme food allergy but the link between that those types of allergies and the vaccine has not been determined. The other UK patient did not have these type of allergies. This was information that was stated as available at the time of the meeting. The sponsor indicated that the follow up studies would include individuals with these types of severe allergies.
At hit point in time, I would be careful if I had a previous anaphylactic type of allergic reaction. I woudl probably delay a vaccination until additional study data was available and after consultation with my physician.
One thing to keep in mind that the reporting of adverse events is driven by law. As an employee of an animal health company I am required to report any AEs within 24 hours. For example, I was sitting around the campfire with friends a few years ago when one casually mentioned that their 14 y/o cat had received one of our antibiotics and died a month later. Event thought the two events were likely not related, I am required to report the AE within 24 h. SO we spend the next 30 minutes with me getting all her information including her veterinarian’s name and contact info, as well as the specifics of the case. I then had to call our pharmacovigilance group to provide the information. Keep in mind that it is a criminal offense for me not to report the AE. This is the same model used in human medicine and is rigorously enforced by the agency. So I can tell you that everyone will be on point regarding any AEs associated with the vaccine and many will be reported that are not associated with the vaccine. The FDA takes its responsibility regarding efficacy and safety very seriously. As always, talk to your physician about any concerns but I personally consider the vaccine to be safe.
One other point that I will make to an otherwise lengthy response. Until the vaccine is available, make sure to wear your mask and practice social distancing. NO let downs. You do not want to be the person that stops practicing the precautions and get sick just before they could be vaccinated.
I'm curious as to where or how you developed the notion that "nobody knows much or is willing to be honest and up front with the general public"?Quote:
Originally Posted by silver & black
From the spring, it has been known that Sars-COV-2 enters in the nose and throat to the lungs and then the experiences were it attacks many parts of the body including heart, kidney, muscle and joints. It was also determined that the pathway to all those different areas of the body was by attaching to ACE-2 receptors in the bloodstream. So, best way to keep the virus from getting to your nose and throat is to keep it off your hands(because we touch our faces often) and keep airborne droplets from infected people's breath, away from an area where you could inhale them (hence masks reduce risk).
It has also been known that the anti-malaria drug showed no statistical significant improvement in Sars-COV-2 patients. The drug Remdesivir was shown to accelerate recovery back in April of this year as well. The Reproduction rate of Sars-COV-2 was also shown to be around 2.4-2.6, when left unchecked by distancing measures and other protections.
There has been a lot of accurate info available about the virus.
It s like Farming. in 1900, approximately 40% of the US workforce worked on farms. Then as machinery improved, the jobs shifted to where 4% of the US in 1970 were in Agriculture and 1.9% by 2000.Quote:
Originally Posted by silver & black
The trucking industry will lose jobs due to autonomous vehicles, but still will have to have some drivers in the workforce. Similar with assembly line jobs, etc. Medical stenographers have been replaced with dictation software. Breast cancer screening software reads mammograms incredibly accurately, but still needs a Radiologist to confirm the findings, so fewer such jobs. The workforce will shift to design, manufacture, maintenance and repair of automation and other things. People just need to be willing to look at new jobs as theirs become depleted.
Trump will take care of you. And when he dies, hopefully sooner rather than later, Ivanka will be your mommy.Quote:
Originally Posted by silver & black