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The President and First Lady Have Tested Positive for COVID 19
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Trump Tests Positive for the Coronavirus
The president’s result came after he spent months playing down the severity of the outbreak that has killed more than 207,000 in the United States and hours after insisting that “the end of the pandemic is in sight.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/02/u...ump-covid.html
Edited to add: That's if they're telling the truth?
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Somewhere in the Kremlin, Putin is crying.
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FrancoLambert
Somewhere in the Kremlin, Putin is crying.
Why continue to spread this bullshit? If anything Putin WANTS Biden in office they already know he can be bought. And to be honest since Trump has taken office what has happened that makes him "Putin's man"? Nothing. If anything there has been peace in the Middle East, we have withdrawn more troops, NATO countries are FINALLY paying more money for OUR protection, nothing has happened in the Ukraine or any of the former Soviet republics, North & South Korea have not been at each other's throats and Little Kim isn't firing rocket test after rocket test, generally extreme Islamic terrorism has waned to the point of almost nothing. Now go back and look at Obama's last term and tell me how all those things were?
I know you guys HATE Trump but seriously the fact that you can never give him credit for anything is sad.
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Looks like a lot of people are about to get a lesson on what a 99.8%-99.9% survival rate is, and have their hopes crushed bigly. It must really suck to be a liberal.
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Ezra Tank
Why continue to spread this bullshit? If anything Putin WANTS Biden in office they already know he can be bought. And to be honest since Trump has taken office what has happened that makes him "Putin's man"? Nothing. If anything there has been peace in the Middle East, we have withdrawn more troops, NATO countries are FINALLY paying more money for OUR protection, nothing has happened in the Ukraine or any of the former Soviet republics, North & South Korea have not been at each other's throats and Little Kim isn't firing rocket test after rocket test, generally extreme Islamic terrorism has waned to the point of almost nothing. Now go back and look at Obama's last term and tell me how all those things were?
I know you guys HATE Trump but seriously the fact that you can never give him credit for anything is sad.
Bullshit?
You need to read up on the ties to Russia Trump has via: Michael Flynn, Carter Page, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Felix Sater...just to name a few.
Fake news...right?
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Will this positive test prevent Trump from participating in the next debate?
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FrancoLambert
Bullshit?
You need to read up on the ties to Russia Trump has via: Michael Flynn, Carter Page, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Felix Sater...just to name a few.
Fake news...right?
You need to read up on all the Obama figures about to be indicted on charges for this garbage. Manafort was indicted on crap he did in 2010. Seriously you are still believing all these lies?
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...rge/112124824/
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The U.S. Justice Department this week handed over 14 new pages of documents that show misconduct by prosecutors who suppressed evidence that would have helped him, Flynn’s lawyer, Sidney Powell, said in a filing Friday with the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington.
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Golf is still considered socially distanced, correct? Can he still go golfing this Sunday like he normally does?
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Ezra Tank
You keep bringing up Obama.
Trump is the current president.
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Lol. No reason to wear a mask tho...but good to have one in your pocket if you need it.
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86WARD
Lol. No reason to wear a mask tho...but good to have one in your pocket if you need it.
But.... I thought the reason for the mask was so you don't give it to someone, not to keep you from getting it??? :noidea:
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Hoping for a full recovery
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86WARD
Lol. No reason to wear a mask tho...but good to have one in your pocket if you need it.
Basically yeah, except what's the point of having one in your pocket?
Quick, tell me where all the hospitals are that are overwhelmed. Otherwise there's no point to anything besides running everything at full capacity without any masks at all. I mean, listen to the experts, right?
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silver & black
But.... I thought the reason for the mask was so you don't give it to someone, not to keep you from getting it??? :noidea:
It works like this below from Intermountain Health in Utah.
https://intermountainhealthcare.org/...read.png?la=en
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El-Gonzo Jackson
Thanks, I'm going to steal that.
I can't imagine why any thinking person wouldn't try to live in the very low risk, mask to mask, setting as often as possible.
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If you can't reason that infographic out on your own...then c'mon. I seriously question what you are doing out of the house unsupervised without a helmet on anyways.
It is almost totally unbelievable that people without massive brain injuries are still having a hard time with this.
Now...if you say you just don't want to or don't worry about the risk level -- fine. But to pretend the information is too complicated for your little brain to understand is just simply ridiculous.
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FrancoLambert
Bullshit?
You need to read up on the ties to Russia Trump has via: Michael Flynn, Carter Page, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Felix Sater...just to name a few.
Fake news...right?
This should be investigated thoroughly for years by biased investigators!
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El-Gonzo Jackson
15 days to flatten the curve!
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tom444
Thanks, I'm going to steal that.
I can't imagine why any thinking person wouldn't try to live in the very low risk, mask to mask, setting as often as possible.
Seriously, these kinds of posters are up in health networks all over the place for public education. Here is one from Oklahoma. https://tulsatech.edu/wp-content/upl...-Wear-Mask.jpg
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Mojouw
If you can't reason that infographic out on your own...then c'mon. I seriously question what you are doing out of the house unsupervised without a helmet on anyways.
It is almost totally unbelievable that people without massive brain injuries are still having a hard time with this.
Now...if you say you just don't want to or don't worry about the risk level -- fine. But to pretend the information is too complicated for your little brain to understand is just simply ridiculous.
The people I think you are addressing....you just lost at the word "infographic".:noidea:
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silver & black
But.... I thought the reason for the mask was so you don't give it to someone, not to keep you from getting it??? :noidea:
Correct but it also protects the person wearing it as well.
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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...5227c32e61.jpg
It’s all a scam anyway. Trump doesn’t want any more debates and he’s trying to get some of the sympathy vote. No worries...he will be fine.
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El-Gonzo Jackson
I'll buy that.......but why wasn't this the narrative from the start? The narrative has always been that the mask was to keep you from giving it to others. There was never anything about the mask protecting you. The narrative seems to change with whatever narrative is needed at the time.
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silver & black
I'll buy that.......but why wasn't this the narrative from the start? The narrative has always been that the mask was to keep you from giving it to others. There was never anything about the mask protecting you. The narrative seems to change with whatever narrative is needed at the time.
That's simply not true. A basic Google search can demonstrate that.
What was made was appeals to people's concern for others even if they weren't worried about themselves.
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FrancoLambert
Somewhere in the Kremlin, Putin is crying.
Why? Putin wants Biden at the POTUS, as does China.
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steelreserve
Basically yeah, except what's the point of having one in your pocket?
Quick, tell me where all the hospitals are that are overwhelmed. Otherwise there's no point to anything besides running everything at full capacity without any masks at all. I mean, listen to the experts, right?
If Biden wins the shutdown will end and the COVID "deaths" will magically disappear.
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FrancoLambert
Bullshit?
You need to read up on the ties to Russia Trump has via: Michael Flynn, Carter Page, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Felix Sater...just to name a few.
Fake news...right?
Wait, you still believe the Russia hoax? Haha
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86WARD
Yeah, as if Biden wasn't a total trainwreck during the debate.
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Originally Posted by
silver & black
I'll buy that.......but why wasn't this the narrative from the start? The narrative has always been that the mask was to keep you from giving it to others. There was never anything about the mask protecting you. The narrative seems to change with whatever narrative is needed at the time.
Honestly, because a lot of people hear what they want to hear and a lot of social media algorithm's push stories the way of how people browse, so it appeals to them. So when politicians on the right went anti mask and those on the left went pro mask, a lot of people that were polarized were reading what they want to hear, whether its reliable info or not.
I wasnt posting warnings about Hydroxychloroquine based upon my beliefs, it was based upon the scientific evidence and credibility, or lack of for the studies that were out there.
Just like now, a mask isnt political to me, nor should it be to anybody. Its just a common sense way to reduce risk, with no downside. Measurements with a pulse oxymeter show that there is no change in a persons blood oxygen levels with a mask, compared to without a mask. So the notion that it hampers breathing is not true.
Stay safe out there and best of luck with things.
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86WARD
Sad that somebody has demonstrated the lack of trust to the point that we believe he is possibly faking infection of a virus that has killed 1 million people globally. But, it is what it is.
That urinating chart is a good one too. Saw that a couple months back.:lol:
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I guess I should be fair and balanced and acknowledge that mask recommendation was initially unclear as no was certain of the transmission mode of a new virus.
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st33lersguy
Yeah, as if Biden wasn't a total trainwreck during the debate.
Much less of a train wreck...lol.
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Mojouw
I guess I should be fair and balanced and acknowledge that mask recommendation was initially unclear as no was certain of the transmission mode of a new virus.
Honestly, there has never been randomized trials of mask, vs no mask in a case of a virus with a R0 of 2 or higher, mostly because it would never pass ethics review, but also who would sign up for one that could give them a potentially harmful virus. So all people can do is go on retrospective data that is happening like this.
But there are so many variables in terms of whether somebody knows how to properly handle one, how much hand washing they do, face touching, touching of other surfaces and mask, time spent indoors vs outdoors, etc.
So, initially there was no level 1 evidence to say masks should be used. Then it became anecdotal and common sense, with no downside. Like, nobody ever complains to their surgeon who is about to operate on their knee, hip, gall bladder, hernia, etc about him wearing a mask and that he/she are sheep and slaves to the government. Its a best practice to reduce the risk of infection.
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El-Gonzo Jackson
Honestly, there has never been randomized trials of mask, vs no mask in a case of a virus with a R0 of 2 or higher, mostly because it would never pass ethics review, but also who would sign up for one that could give them a potentially harmful virus. So all people can do is go on retrospective data that is happening like this.
But there are so many variables in terms of whether somebody knows how to properly handle one, how much hand washing they do, face touching, touching of other surfaces and mask, time spent indoors vs outdoors, etc.
So, initially there was no level 1 evidence to say masks should be used. Then it became anecdotal and common sense, with no downside. Like, nobody ever complains to their surgeon who is about to operate on their knee, hip, gall bladder, hernia, etc about him wearing a mask and that he/she are sheep and slaves to the government. Its a best practice to reduce the risk of infection.
Agreed. Don't have to convince me. I adopted a mask in public spaces early once I became aware that droplets were the main thing. In retrospect, I was late to putting it into practice.
But I agree, what's the downside? Heck, where I live most everyone covers their faces November-March anyways.
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Mojouw
I guess I should be fair and balanced and acknowledge that mask recommendation was initially unclear as no was certain of the transmission mode of a new virus.
And this is why I think highly of you as a poster.
I was always under the impression that masks were primarily to prevent the spread the virus... not for preventing getting the virus. I never understood that. If a mask prevents giving the virus, why wouldn't it prevent getting it?
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Mojouw
Agreed. Don't have to convince me. I adopted a mask in public spaces early once I became aware that droplets were the main thing. In retrospect, I was late to putting it into practice.
But I agree, what's the downside? Heck, where I live most everyone covers their faces November-March anyways.
I didnt put a mask into practice until they were required, but then again I have spent a lot of time wearing masks at work and understand sterile technique in healthcare settings. So in public I wasnt often in close proximity to other people, didnt talk carelessly or loudly in their way to create droplets and wasnt within 6 ft of those who would have the potential to sneeze or cough my way.
I have no problem wearing a mask, but I generally dont when I have the ability to be 8 feet away from somebody talking. Evidence shows the droplets are large that carry coronavirus and doesnt travel 30 ft like some have claimed. Lack of humidity in the air can affect that as it does in the winter months.
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silver & black
And this is why I think highly of you as a poster.
I was always under the impression that masks were primarily to prevent the spread the virus... not for preventing getting the virus. I never understood that. If a mask prevents giving the virus, why wouldn't it prevent getting it?
On the other hand, if you believe his depiction of the state of things, masks don't do shit.
"Even with mask orders, the virus is spiraling out of control and it's going to infect us all. But if we wear masks, we'll stop it in its tracks!"
"All these draconian lockdown measures aren't slowing it down at all. But we have to keep doing them because they work!"
"A mask will prevent me from getting infected, it's science - DUH! But YOU'RE selfish if you don't wear one because a mask is to protect others!"
Much like almost every liberal viewpoint, it falls to pieces as soon as you ask one question: "Well, it can't be both - which one is it?" And then you will get a gold-medal worthy routine in mental gymnastics, because like most of the liberal ideology, it is built on a carefully constructed foundation of rationalizing conflicting information and mutually exclusive hypotheses. And then when you point that out, they will change the subject and then accuse you of changing the subject.
Basically, the message you will get from these people is that the unpopular measures being taken in this country are scientifically impeccable and exactly what works - but in America alone out of the entire world, they don't work. It's a few rednecks that ignore it and it ruins everything, because people like that don't exist anywhere else in the world. It's only in America - everyone else has lined up and done what they were told without exception, and things have just gone so much differently. Look at how smart they are and how dumb we are. America sucks, we're the only dumb ones. We should be ashamed. Time to pack it in, boys, we're the worst.
Yes, it's definitely that. It couldn't be that America is doing the same as everywhere else (just like the science predicts) and has shitty data because certain people here clearly have reasons to fuck with it. No, it's not the simple explanation that is right there in plain sight. It's that there are 150 million conspiracy theorists who think that, and the real reason is this way more convoluted and far-fetched explanation, but that's the one that would mean we suck, so it must be true.
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86WARD
Much less of a train wreck...lol.
All biden had was insults and denial of left wing violence. As per usual he offered nothing of substance.
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Mojouw
Agreed. Don't have to convince me. I adopted a mask in public spaces early once I became aware that droplets were the main thing. In retrospect, I was late to putting it into practice.
But I agree, what's the downside? Heck, where I live most everyone covers their faces November-March anyways.
I was in Green Bay one yr for a few weeks just before labor day late 80s it f--ing snowed . and I am from a place where we have seen snow in oct , but never sept .
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st33lersguy
All biden had was insults and denial..................... As per usual he offered nothing of substance.
Oh man, that's rich.
https://www.petsfactstips.com/images/animallaugh4.jpg
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silver & black
And this is why I think highly of you as a poster.
I was always under the impression that masks were primarily to prevent the spread the virus... not for preventing getting the virus. I never understood that. If a mask prevents giving the virus, why wouldn't it prevent getting it?
You're not wrong. At least based on what I think I know. I feel that the video and the pee graphic posted to this thread do a decent job of filling in the gap you're talking about.
The primary thing a mask does is "contain" my potential virus drops. But it has a nice secondary benefit of blocking "some" of the drops I could encounter. How many? Hard to say for the reasons EGJ outlined.
So if you and I hang out and talk football both wearing mass, we get two benefits. One, we both spew less virus into the local air. That's the big thing. Anyone, including ourselves, hanging out in that area has less exposure. The second, and harder to quantify, benefit is that we both take in "some" lower amount of drops that could have virus. How much less? Hard to really say. But less. The argument, as I understand it, is any less is "better" and increases both our chances that we didn't pass the virus while we debated how many running plays an NFL offense should call.
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Playing the above out. The idea, again as I understand it, is that if we are trying to get back to the before times life and the risk of exposure/spread is X without a mask and X-Y with a mask; the mask gets us back to a workable status quo quicker with, again - my opinion (so no one flies off the handle) - zero detriment to anyone involved.
