I'll start. Jaylen Hurts. A one read QB with a very slow release.
Hurts should be on the board in round two. I hope he's gone before our pick.
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I'll start. Jaylen Hurts. A one read QB with a very slow release.
Hurts should be on the board in round two. I hope he's gone before our pick.
Jaylen Hurts is my first and foremost.
Yeah and a QB in round 2 would be a wasted pick.
Jalen Hurts looks like a slower version of the proverbial running QB that can't throw so no.
Also any day 2 RB. RB has become too devalued and I think they have enough at the position for a by-committee. Plus RB won't make much of a difference without a top tier O-line or a top-tier QB anywau
Just a question, what position would you like the steelers draft in day 2?Quote:
Originally Posted by st33lersguy
The big one is O-line with the O-line regressing plus age. Preferably one who is already technically sound over the proverbial "physically gifted but raw". A WR also, probably a tall fast guyQuote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
Antonio Brown Jr.
Yeah,I don't want a player with many off-field issues and which brings a lot of drama even if this player is great ... We know that with his players, it always ends very badly.
WR Michael Pittman Jr. would not be a good pick I think
https://steelersdepot.com/2020/04/jo...s-go-wr-at-49/
I like Pittman... a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
I can understand not taking him at 49, because WR is not as big of a “need”. But, as a player, I’d be more than fine with this pick.
I said that because I don't think it's the type of WR that steelers need….The steelers need a WR who is fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by teegre
He’s not slow.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
Plus, Pittman will get every contested ball.
Bad players. Don't want.
Seriously though, any QB. Just no.
I like Hurts a lot. In no way am I saying he becomes starting QB. I just love the way he handled benching and came in to win game at Alabama before he left. It’s more of a sentimental pick and gamble for sure. He has improved greatly though, and if continues to get better who knows. I’ve read he could be a third, if he drops to four or five I would love to take gamble. He could be a Dak kind of quarterback, he’s excellent at read-option. Maybe not starter but Taysom Hill type guy. Offers more than our current back ups.
I like Hurts a lot too. He has room to improve still but he has improved every year. I don't take any QB at 49 or 102, but in the 4th round, sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by cubanstogie
You are right!Quote:
Originally Posted by teegre
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles...20-senior-bowl
Players the Steelers have drafted out of USC since 1970:
Gerry Mullins OG 1971
Lynn Swann WR 1974
Calvin Sweeney WR 1979
James Hunter NT 1981
Cole Ford K 1995
Troy Polamalu DB 2003
JuJu Smith-Schuster WR 2017
Possible 2020 candidates:
Austin Jackson LT - True LT not a swing OT like SaahdiqCharles(prospect) or Chuks(currently on roster)
Drew Richmond OG - Played RT but is expected to move to OG for the NFL. Maybe 7th round or UDFA invite.
Michael Pittman WR - Not at 49, but as a 3rd round or 4th round pick I could get behind this one.
Any of these 3 would make good additions to the Steelers roster, IMO.
As for the thread and a player I do not wish to see the Steelers draft....Jonathan Taylor RB Wisconsin. 18 fumbles over 3 seasons in college. NFL tacklers are practiced in stripping ball carriers.
More than I think about it more it's a good idea to wait at least in the fourth round to draft a WR since firstly the draft class at this position is very deep and the other thing I think the steelers have 3 very good WR in their team ... Just need another WR if there is an injury or others thing among his 3 WR.
Ball security can be coached up fairly simply. I would easily look past 6 fumbles a season and coach that up, but rather focus on his positives like:Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
-5'10", 225Lbs. 4.39- 40 yard speed.
-2,194 yards rushing on 307 carries and 16 TD's in 2018 and the Doak Walker award
-2,003 yards rushing on 320 carries and 21 TD's in 2019 and another Doak Walker award as the nations best RB
- averaged over 1300 yards per season -After Contact.
Speed, Power, Durability, proven production and gains more YAC in a season than yards before contact. I don't think he will be there at 49.
Leki Fotu is a guy I don't want them to draft. He plays too high and too soft for a D lineman IMO.
I don’t really have a prospect I absolutely don’t want in black and gold. Taylor has been talked up on this forum as a possible pick at 49. I hate that value/need there. You simplified my concern as “6 fumbles a season” which is a gloss over if there ever was. 6 fumbles in a 10-12 game college season is bigger than that. It’s an issue I’m sure his Wisconsin coaches addressed as well I’m sure since the gameplan revolved around Taylor first and foremost. Taylor has tremendous production over those 3 seasons. His size, speed, burst are all impressive. If he’s the pick at 49 I would be disappointed but not totally depressed about it either. RB fumbles are not acceptable. That is the job. Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
The more I think about it the less and less I want d-line in round 2 and probably round 3 as well. Depth is fine and the way they use their D-lineman, the player likely won't receive a lot of snaps anyway
Todd McShay on Taylor-Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
You've got Jonathan Taylor from Wisconsin, the only running back in college football history to rush for 1,900-plus yards in three consecutive years. Now, (has has) some fumbling issues — he's got to clean that up. ButJonathan Taylor is a special talent. https://247sports.com/Article/2020-N...ire-145729648/
Lewis Riddick on Taylor-
"I think Jonathan Taylor from Wisconsin, in this kind of environment, is absolutely gonna stand out. As far as his interviews are concerned, the kid is such an A+ character guy, there's gonna be no question about that. I got to talk to him at the beginning of this year before I did a college football game in South Florida, and he is spectacular. "He's a fantastic player and a fantastic human being." https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Article/-NFL-Combine-2020-Jonathan-Taylor-results-40-yard-dash--144391259/
Bill Bender of Sporting News on Taylor at Combine-
"Taylor was a prolific running back in college, rushing for 6,174 yards and 42 touchdowns for Wisconsin. He increased his stock with a 4.39 in the 40-yard dash and backed that up with a 36-inch vertical jump. Taylor’s performance was the talk of the running back workouts. He could be the first running back drafted as a result."
I think some will question if he has had too many touches already in his career, but I dont think anybody's first thing they think of with Taylor is his fumble rate.
I will jinx things and say that I hope the Steelers select Davon Hamilton DT from Ohio St in the 3rd round. I also hope he is still on the board but I kind of don't think he will be there in the 3rd. He would instantly make things more difficult for Mark Ingram and Gus Edwards of the Ravens, as well as Nick Chubb of the Browns and help the Steelers in putting teams in 2nd and 3rd and long situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by st33lersguy
You think I'm the first to bring up his fumble rate?Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
I have already seen RB having problems with fumbles for a long time but after seeing coaches solving his problems ... Best example is Tom Coughlin with Tiki Barker with the giants
If Tomlin can do the same, why not!
As I said in the above post. Selecting Taylor at 49 would be disappointing but not depressing. I don't want any RB drafted at 49. Taylor just seems like the most likely candidate if he were there at 49. I love the guy's production in college. He has the size and speed, he can be used in the passing game, he meets a lot of the Steelers criteria for RBs. But he fumbles, plus I don't want a RB at 49. That's the complete story. All there is to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
I heard somewhere, probably one of the podcasts I listen to, that the Patriots have offered 3 3rd round picks and a 6th for any pick moving them up to the 2nd round. I have no confirmation only this one report. Would you take that trade? Would mean, no 1st or 2nd round picks in 2020, but 4 3rd round picks, 2 4th round picks, a 2nd 6th round pick and a 7th. Gives the Steelers 9 picks vs current 6 picks. I don't even know if this report is real but it is interesting to think about if true.
Just as a comparison. Le'Veon Bell had 2 fumbles in 40 games at Michigan State. Jonathan Taylor has 18 fumbles in 41 games at Wisconsin. Zack Moss 8 in 45 games TCU. Cam Akers 10 in 36 games FSU. Patrick Taylor 7 fumbles in 45 games Memphis. JK Dobbins has 5 in 42 games OSU. Clyde Edwards-Helaire had 2 fumbles in 41 games LSU. Antonio Gibson 2 in 28 games Memphis. AJ Dillon with 8 fumbles in 35 games BC. Michael Warren 3 in 38 games Cincinnati. Sewo Olonilua 6 fumbles in 52 games TCU.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
It's an easy stat to look up. I compared top prospect RBs of similar size that the Steelers like. Like I said before it wouldn't 'depress' me if the Steelers take Jonathan Taylor but you can easily see why I would be disappointed with this pick. There are better options at better value later in the draft.
It may be true that taking a RB in round 2 is a bad idea ... Is the depth at this position in the draft is very good this year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
Maybe the o-line or the safety or OLB(I think it's going to be Dupree's last year with us in 2020) would be a better idea .... Maybe take the best player available in his position?
No I don't. I believe its about the 10th thing that evaluators and coaches look at with him and know that it can be improved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
Adrian Peterson had 20 fumbles in his first 3 seasons in the NFL. Somehow I don't think that has ruined his career.
-2007......4 Fumbles
-2008......9 Fumbles
-2009......7 Fumbles
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Good point. I thought Adrian Peterson having 20 fumbles over a 3 year period was a lot. Tiki Barber's worst 3 year total was 27 fumbles.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
Somehow he got it fixed the last few seasons of his 10 year, 10,000 yard rushing career.
Just as a comparison. Le'Veon Bell had 2 fumbles in 40 games at Michigan State. Jonathan Taylor has 18 fumbles in 41 games at Wisconsin. Zack Moss 8 in 45 games TCU. Cam Akers 10 in 36 games FSU. Patrick Taylor 7 fumbles in 45 games Memphis. JK Dobbins has 5 in 42 games OSU. Clyde Edwards-Helaire had 2 fumbles in 41 games LSU. Antonio Gibson 2 in 28 games Memphis. AJ Dillon with 8 fumbles in 35 games BC. Michael Warren 3 in 38 games Cincinnati. Sewo Olonilua 6 fumbles in 52 games TCU.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
Did you now the Steelers kicked 11 field goals last year inside the 29 yard line This is way too much and a reason as to why the team kicked many short field goals is because our backs could not punch it in. That won't be a problem with Taylor. He's a touch down machine, and can move piles backward.
I agree the fumbles is an issue Taylor needs to work on, but he probably has 30% ( Not researched just saying ) more carries than other top backs, so logically he should have the most fumbles.
Running back is an under valued position these days.
It was a problem but not the only problem since overall our offense was garbage no matter where they were on the field and our passing game was a much bigger problem ... A better passing game will give more space to our running game because the opponent will need to respect our passing game if Ben returns to his pro bowl form.Even a average QB might have made a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Six Rings
I don't think RB is "under-valued" at all. I think the value is fair given the return. The fumble issue with ANY RB (not just Taylor) is figured into that value. NFL RBs average 2.57 years for their career. What is the value now if you need a season or 2 to coach him on how to not fumble the ball?Quote:
Originally Posted by Six Rings
I respect Jonathan Taylor the player enough to know he will most likely be off the board by pick 49. But if he is not the Steelers would need to take him with the 49th pick. There are so many others I would rather take there that Taylor has become the player I want drafted least. RB is probably the position I want drafted the least.
Another player I really hope the Steelers do not draft is Tua Tagovailoa.
Any of the QBs with a J in their name.
Pretty much means Tua or bust. :rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Okay. Joe Burrow is fine. I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
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