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Coach Mike Tomlin's statement on James Saxon:
I have made the decision to not renew the contract for running backs coach James Saxon. We would like to thank James for his efforts over the past five years, and we wish him the best in his future coaching endeavors.
Tomlin statement on Saxon https://www.steelers.com/news/tomlin-statement-on-saxon
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Originally Posted by 86WARD
Because Conner and Samuels so obviously failed to meet expectations?
If Butler and Danny Smith stay while Saxon goes I give up
Make Le’Veon Bell an All-Star. Make James Conner an All-Star. Make Jaylen Samuels a capable NFL starting RB.
“You’re contract won’t be renewed. Good luck in your endeavors elsewhere.”
Lol. These are the changes...
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Maybe they are working their way up and these are just the appetizers in Porter and Saxon...Quote:
Originally Posted by AtlantaDan
Wow, Tomlin managed to fire one of his 2 assistant coaches that was actually worth keeping. This level of incompetence is actually quite impressive, and the other good assistant coach will likely defect to a head coaching position elsewhere
Well, that's just super.
Ridiculous.
Mike Tomlin never ceases to amaze me.If he told me that the Monongahela & Allegheny Rivers flow into the Ohio River I would not believe him.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Watching Samuels from his first game to his second game, you could clearly see he was coached up with the way he was running and the faster decisions he was making.
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Originally Posted by 86WARD
This is just embarrassing
Scapegoat. Of all the positions that consistently fell short, RB wasn't one of them.
Mikey continues to prove he is way in over his head in the NFL.
Maybe Saxon and Porter are part of the culture problem?
Interesting. Maybe 'cuz he couldn't coach Conner to protect the ball?
We don't need a RB coach, Ben and his caddy are going to throw the ball on every down.
agreedQuote:
Originally Posted by AtlantaDan
hmm RB coach was the issue? interesting take by management
Ding ding ding dingQuote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Some of the recent "hot" offensive coordinator and even head coach hires/names got their start coaching RBs or other offensive positions. Maybe the Steelers want to get younger and more innovative up and down the coaching roster?
IDK.
Does younger mean more innovative? Do you think the Steelers want to get younger and more innovative, or is that something that you want?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
If this is so, Butler should have been the first to go. Why would you fire Saxon who was productive?Quote:
Originally Posted by vader29
If that's the case, then you have to think that someone like Kevin Greene with his military background would be a perfect replacement for Porter....if he will be available.Quote:
Originally Posted by vader29
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Okay explain why Butler still has a job?Quote:
Originally Posted by vader29
RB coach didn't seem to be a problem the last two seasons anyhow. I just don't get it
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" In 18 NFL seasons as a running backs coach, Saxon had one of his backs reach the Pro Bowl 15 times."
Seems like a good coach maybe he's always been lucky to have Superior talent
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Pure speculation. Fichtner has talked about how Ben doesn't really know or like running RPO's. RPO involved offenses are dominating the NFL at present. You are at the tail end of Ben's career and have attempted to obtain an in-house replacement in Mason Rudolph. Rudolph does not seem to be the same type of QB as Ben and may not do well in the same offensive scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
Additionally, offensive line blocking schemes across college have changed and the style of offensive line that the Steelers play is getting harder and harder to find. Hence the Steelers non-first round lineman (and it isn't just the Steelers) come from relatively obscure schools.
Overall, the Steelers coaching staff is old(er) and has been in the NFL for years (primarily). I strongly believe the Steelers staff has a lack of young(er) coaches that are steeped in the types of blocking schemes, offensive systems, and general approaches that the majority of the NCAA teams are running. As the cycle of idea movement from the NCAA level to the NFL gets shorter and shorter, that could be an incredible disadvantage.
So, this is pure speculation and personal preference, I want to get younger up and down the position coach and lower level assistant coaching roster. And perhaps "younger" is the wrong term for what I mean. I want additionally perspectives and ideas from new angles. Arians ---> Haley ----> Fichtner is not exactly a straight line, but it isn't phenomenally different. It is time to get some new voices at the table.
it is clear Tomlin has no fucking clue ....
At least fire Danny Smith also.
I think it will be fun to let the process play out and see what happens before judging the firings.
Nah. Why would anyone one do that? Gotta make sure you get in early with your definitive opinions and final statements before you have all the information. Or else how would anyone know how smart you are?Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
Duh! :)
This is an absolute must....way overdue...years overdue.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackAndGold
its clear Saxon had nothing to do with putting slow of foot ILBs in coverage vs Legit #1 wr's .... but that guy is still hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
its also pretty clear that Conner and Samuels stepped up big time as a second year player and rookie respectively ( something Saxon does control )
Saxon also had nothing to do with special teams coaching that watched one of the best kickers in the league the last several years turn into one of the worst in the league overnight .... but that guy is still here
Saxon isnt the guy with the red flag in his pocket that has not won a meaningful challenge in forever , has no clue how to manage a clock , is clueless about setting the tone for proper locker room and team culture and allows his teams to continualy play down to its competition .. cause that guy is still here too ....
Tomlin would not know a good football coach if it walked up to him and punched him in the face
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by AtlantaDan
I stay out of this stuff in your house.... but I just about spit my bourbon through my nose reading that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Being a fan of a team that has flat out sucked for the better part of two decades............. reading this stuff from Steelers fans is like being at home on my own forum...lol.:heh:
I'll stay out of this from here on out.... but I fully understand how Steelers fans feel right now.
Perfect!:chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
danny smith still got a job? smdh
I'm guessing this no matter how good you are if you are being a dividing force you should be gone,Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
So, us fans who have watched Danny Smith’s special teams perform dismally for several years, and then question the firing of the running backs coach whose players have done well under his tutelage are guilty of being too quick to question the decision makers.
We’ll never know everything. What went on in behind the scenes.....
All we can do is judge and form an opinion on what we see. Special teams....RB’S....take your pick.
Perhaps the firings continue. If Smith and Butler or even one of those guys is ushered out, much of this may take on a different light. Additionally, we have no idea who is being named as the replacement. Perhaps the Steelers are unwilling to change their OC or HC, but view RBs coach (or QB coach) as a position to snag someone off the Reid, McVeigh, or Shannahan trees that are permeating offenses throughout the league.
OR maybe they hire the same old same old. Remains to be seen.