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Throw him into the CB competition mixQuote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
I would not be surprised if the steelers do the same for a outside CB.
I do not like the move at all , dude has less than 1000 yards receiving in his career( 4 years ) and Gary Barnage sits there with more yards in a single season and costs you nothing in terms of draft picks ...
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Originally Posted by Secondaryconcerns
The steelers have a good chance of being one of the best teams in the NFL in 2017 and the 49ers will probably be one of the worst, so if we count the compensations pick, the steelers will be trade back for only 15-20 spot to improve a major weak point.Jesse James is not a NFL starter.
McDonald's has also been better in the last two years.
TE Position isn't only about receiving yards and TD's. What are their respective blocking abilities? I do not know much about either one, but we only lost a 4th rounder and did gain a 5th rounder in addition to McDonald. If he fits our needs better than Barnage then I like the trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secondaryconcerns
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a lot of over blown hype there IMO ...
he isn't nor will he ever be anything close to the players green would have been if healthy ... he is not near the athlete period ..
I am surprised at all this to be honest ...
go to this link , look at 1 stat ..... catches vs targets.... and if you think Grimble is frustrating buckle up its gonna be a long ride https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/McDoVa00.htm
Well hopefully it is not another trade that ends up benching the player until week 16 and then letting him go.
Who do they let go? Johnson or Grimble? Is Jake McGee eligible for the PS?
866 yards on 118 targets is far from bad(717 yards on 91 targets in the last 2 years), especially in an atrocious offense like the 49ers in the last 2 years.
In fact, it's a big improvement what we had as TE with Jesse James
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Originally Posted by polamalubeast
64 catches 118 targets is the number that needs to be looked at ......
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Originally Posted by Secondaryconcerns
If you only look at the completion percentage , Sam Bradford was the best QB in the nfl last year
Yards per target is more important for me.
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for his drop....
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And I'm not saying McDonald's is great, but it's a position that the steelers are improving, since our TE position was so bad with James.
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Almost better that the yards per catch by James
I'm hoping McGee will continue to grow.
just think better short term options where available without swapping a 4th rounder for a 5th rounder ...
but the proof will be in the pudding if he makes plays and doesn't have a 30-40% drop rate I will gladly eat crow
but if he stinks it up or proves to be no better than what we already Have in Grimble /James ...well haha
It's not hard to be better than James and the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secondaryconcerns
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it is when you start counting drops , you cant waste downs in this leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
but either way we have said about all there is to say on this for now ...
will wait for the pulling my hair out threads when dropped balls cost us drives/games ( God I hope I am wrong )
This is highway robbery. The Steelers get a viable NFL player at the cost of having to move back in the draft like what 15 spots at most?
Is McDonald going to be the answer? Will he even see the field? No idea. But I like the aggressiveness of Colbert and CO in the new cut-down era.
Got two guys that have had some success in the league for basically a bag of kicking tees in Phillips and McDonald.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/...ald?id=2540215
I know nothing about this guy.
But, I thought they would make a move for a starting CB first versus a TE at this juncture. Oh well.
(Forgot about Phillips but I was dreaming for someone better lol)
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Originally Posted by Secondaryconcerns
He improved on that last year, but one thing is certain, he can be a playmaker for the steelers, which James will never be able to be.
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He going to see the field,no doubt in my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
To splash play, don't blink, and living in your fears add "haven't been consistently varsity enough" to the list of Tomlinisms :chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
http://www.steelersuniverse.com/foru...44-Tomlin-ismsQuote:
Originally Posted by AtlantaDan
:tomlinism: :chuckle:
Whelp let see what he has... Right now he is = to james/ grimble in my book.
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Originally Posted by Iron Steeler
He had 717 yards in 91 targets in the last two years with a very bad offense.
James will never have his numbers.
I remember thinking something similar with a WR we obtained from the 49ers named Cedrick Wilson ...Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
San Fran STUNK his entire tenure there but was their leading receiver his final year there with 641 yards
thought if he could do that on a shitty team with a shitty QB he would flourish in Pittsburgh with Ward opposite him and Ben throwing him the ball ...
Wilson spent 3 years here never surpassing his best numbers in San Fran , in fact never really getting all that close to those numbers with 504 yards being his best in Black N Gold
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...W/WilsCe00.htm
I heard that he has a high yardage per catch too, something like 14+
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Originally Posted by Secondaryconcerns
Wilson was good for us in 2005.(451 yards on only 53 targets in regular season and 216 yards on 12 targets in the playoffs)
The steelers was a run first team in 2005 too.
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Originally Posted by polamalubeast
sorry I just can't agree with that , 51% completion percentage is unacceptable
No when you have 10 yards per target if we combine the regular season and the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secondaryconcerns
Sorry but completion percentage is overrated...YPA or yards per targets for a WR/TE is more important.667 Yards on 65 targets is great!....A catch for 5 yards on the 3rd down and 7 is bad!
It all depends on what the measuring stick for the trade is.
Is this dude gonna come in and be Ladarius Green? Nope. Is he going to be Kelce/Eifert/Gronk good? Of course not.
But can he come in and cause the following to happen:
1. McDonald takes most of the snaps and stops tipping the offenses intent. The specific TE the Steelers select from their current pu pu platter of mediocrity essentially provides a "key" to the defense of the play call.
2. Lights a fire under either James or Grimble and they start playing with some "want to".
If either of those happens, then moving back a dozen spots in the draft is more than worth it.
That's the thing. The "opportunity" cost for McDonald is pretty darn low. He is even totally cut-able after this season. Is it potentially a band-aid solution to the TE situation? Yup. Likely not a very good one? Totally possible.
But it is an aggressive, low risk move that I argue is ahead of the curve of the rest of the league. Good teams are going to start doing this kind of thing because of the longer cut down period.
Big, big mistake in not drafting Kittle.
Not sure I'm willing to swap Kittle for Dobbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoes
You could argue that Dobbs would've still been there at the Steelers #5, but we will never know. As things stand right now, that is the choice.
The QB or the TE. I'm taking the QB every single time.
I would have taken Kittle in R4 without a question. Steelers like losing draft picks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
On that note McDonald looks better than James, but I want to see how he blocks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNrLfK3hoIQ
I like the trade and I like McDonald. He's a very good blocker and I think he can become an even better receiver with a good QB. For giving up hardly anything, I like it.
I don't like these August trades and after the last 2 years I can't trust that whoever they trade for in August will actually contribute. Getting the 5th round pick though really makes the deal better
My thoughts exactly . George Kittle over Josh DobbsQuote:
Originally Posted by Shoes
I like the move. Hope it upgrades the position. He should be able to produce where the other TE's on the roster have failed.
Kittle could have contributed right away to the team this year. Dobbs may be gone by next draft day . (Dennis Dixon 2.0)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
All good points. I just always take the the QB. Can never have enough tickets to that lottery.
Doesn't really matter though. Point is they got a serviceable NFL TE for peanuts.
We improved the TE position and only moved back less than 10 spots in next years draft.
This was a great deal.
Bingo!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
The Niners will be picking in the top 5.
And, the Steelers will be picking 32nd. :wink02:
As far as the comps go, in the last draft, there were seven R4 comp picks. Heck, let's assume it is ten.
R4, 32: Niners (from Steelers)
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R5, 5: Steelers (from Niners)