Steelers Fans Please Stop The Crazy! Trade Pickens & I don't Want Rodgers!

What is more important to you having a team with players that you respect or a team that gives you the best chance to get close to a SB and maybe win one ?

We will never sniff a SB again but guess all good we love and respect our Steeler players.

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Originally Posted by JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue

We will never sniff a SB again

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No need to be so dramatic.

Pickens traded.. lol

They have to be looking to sign another receiver

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Same place they were last year...

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Originally Posted by lipps83

Same place they were last year...

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That's why today's trade was a head scratcher. Yes I know GP was a head case but he also was a stud. Covering both him and Metcalf would have brought nightmares to defensive coordinators. Again there has to be something internal that we all don't know about or just more shitty coaching by Coach .501 that allowed GP to get to where he is.

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Originally Posted by EzraTank

That's why today's trade was a head scratcher. Yes I know GP was a head case but he also was a stud. Covering both him and Metcalf would have brought nightmares to defensive coordinators. Again there has to be something internal that we all don't know about or just more shitty coaching by Coach .501 that allowed GP to get to where he is.

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if a player undermines your ability to coach and lead other players then he has to go. If Tomlin kept on giving Pickens chances and starts while he whines and pouts and emotes and takes plays off and is late to practice - it makes Tomlin look like the fool. Pickens may be the Shedeur Sanders of WRs

From Tim Benz at TribLive today

https://triblive.com/sports/tim-benz...-before-draft/

“Pickens would’ve held out, held in, or arrived at practices as a general nightmare and malcontent the entire summer. That would’ve lasted until he pouted his way into an extension or was dealt before the mid-season trade deadline”

And for all those who wished we had drafted a WR in this draft - then we would have had much less leverage and no way would we have gotten a 3rd

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Originally Posted by ETL

if a player undermines your ability to coach and lead other players then he has to go. If Tomlin kept on giving Pickens chances and starts while he whines and pouts and emotes and takes plays off and is late to practice - it makes Tomlin look like the fool. Pickens may be the Shedeur Sanders of WRs

From Tim Benz at TribLive today

https://triblive.com/sports/tim-benz...-before-draft/

“Pickens would’ve held out, held in, or arrived at practices as a general nightmare and malcontent the entire summer. That would’ve lasted until he pouted his way into an extension or was dealt before the mid-season trade deadline”

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Tomlin can coach?

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Originally Posted by Steeldude

Tomlin can coach?

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Top 15 all time.

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Originally Posted by Steeldude

Tomlin can coach?

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Top 15 all time.

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Originally Posted by Steeldude

Tomlin can coach?

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Originally Posted by Born2Steel

Top 15 all time.

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According to who?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/25-grea...es-nfl-history

https://sportsnaut.com/nfl/lists/ran...s-of-all-time/

1 is acknowledgement, 2 is a witness, and 3 is a trend.

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Originally Posted by Born2Steel

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/25-grea...es-nfl-history

https://sportsnaut.com/nfl/lists/ran...s-of-all-time/

1 is acknowledgement, 2 is a witness, and 3 is a trend.

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In 3 I would absolutely put Lombardi over Belichick!

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Originally Posted by Born2Steel

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/25-grea...es-nfl-history

https://sportsnaut.com/nfl/lists/ran...s-of-all-time/

1 is acknowledgement, 2 is a witness, and 3 is a trend.

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I also remember many sports' figures, networks, sites etc... saying Kordell was a great a QB when he played.

Tomlin was along for the ride. The Steelers won in spite of him.

So why do so many fans want him gone if he is so highly ranked? Tomlin is the same HC as he was on day one. As each Cowher player left, the team weakened and its identity faded.

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Originally Posted by Steeldude

I also remember many sports' figures, networks, sites etc... saying Kordell was a great a QB when he played.

Tomlin was along for the ride. The Steelers won in spite of him.

So why do so many fans want him gone if he is so highly ranked? Tomlin is the same HC as he was on day one. As each Cowher player left, the team weakened and its identity faded.

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I don't know why "so many fans want him gone ".

What does Kordell Stewart have to do with MT being a top 15 all time HC?

You think the team wins in spite of him, but they lose because of him? Explain...

Could we move on from Mike Tomlin as HC and improve as a team? I'm sure we could but it won't be easy.

Could we move on from Mike Tomlin as HC and improve as a team right now? No. I don't believe that is possible.

Tomlin is here for the 2025 season. Go Steelers!

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Originally Posted by Born2Steel

I don't know why "so many fans want him gone ".

What does Kordell Stewart have to do with MT being a top 15 all time HC?

You think the team wins in spite of him, but they lose because of him? Explain...

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You're saying some sites/people are saying Tomlin is a top 15 all-time coach. Many of those same sites etc... said Kordell was great when he was on the Steelers, even though it was painfully obvious he was atrocious as QB.

I just have trouble seeing what others see in Tomlin as HC.

Because Tomlin is an empty vessel. You can put nearly anyone in there and the results would pretty much be the same. He is void, IMO. Of course players play a role in wins and losses. It's not always on Tomlin. When I watch the Steelers it looks like schoolyard football. I see no identity, no cohesion. I don't know when the last time I went into a game confident the Steelers would win.

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Originally Posted by Steeldude

You're saying some sites/people are saying Tomlin is a top 15 all-time coach. Many of those same sites etc... said Kordell was great when he was on the Steelers, even though it was painfully obvious he was atrocious as QB.

I just have trouble seeing what others see in Tomlin as HC.

Because Tomlin is an empty vessel. You can put nearly anyone in there and the results would pretty much be the same. He is void, IMO. Of course players play a role in wins and losses. It's not always on Tomlin. When I watch the Steelers it looks like schoolyard football. I see no identity, no cohesion. I don't know when the last time I went into a game confident the Steelers would win.

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Did you ever think that maybe it's your own expectations that are the problem here?

You probably never stopped to think that maybe they have a plan with everything they are trying to do? Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there.

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Originally Posted by Steeldude

You're saying some sites/people are saying Tomlin is a top 15 all-time coach. Many of those same sites etc... said Kordell was great when he was on the Steelers, even though it was painfully obvious he was atrocious as QB.

I just have trouble seeing what others see in Tomlin as HC.

Because Tomlin is an empty vessel. You can put nearly anyone in there and the results would pretty much be the same. He is void, IMO. Of course players play a role in wins and losses. It's not always on Tomlin. When I watch the Steelers it looks like schoolyard football. I see no identity, no cohesion. I don't know when the last time I went into a game confident the Steelers would win.

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That's weird to me. I go into every game confident we can win. Thanks to Tomlin, I'm usually right.

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Originally Posted by Born2Steel

That's weird to me. I go into every game confident we can win. Thanks to Tomlin, I'm usually right.

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Yet for the past decade, going .500 is the only expectation.
And if they make the playoffs one and done is expected.
Losing a couple games every year to teams they should beat.
The same old tired wore out game plan every week.
Showing up to a game unprepared and/or flat out getting out coached.
Just to name a few is all expected.

Sometimes a change is needed to get where we want.

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Originally Posted by Mach1

Sometimes a change is needed to get where we want.

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Who gets to dictate the change? Should it be the franchise or the fan base that determines where the team tries to go?

If it is the franchise, then maybe try to see that it is what they are trying to do?

If it is the fan base, then this is exactly what you are asking for.

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Originally Posted by lipps83

Who gets to dictate the change? Should it be the franchise or the fan base that determines where the team tries to go?

If it is the franchise, then maybe try to see that it is what they are trying to do?

If it is the fan base, then this is exactly what you are asking for.

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Who said anything about the fans making the change?
Assuming if there is a change it would be management right?

Instead of saying We I should of said They. Bad choice of word I suppose. :noidea:

Still doesn't change what has become the norm out of this team every year.

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Originally Posted by Mach1

Who said anything about the fans making the change?
Assuming if there is a change it would be management right?

Instead of saying We I should of said They. Bad choice of word I suppose. :noidea:

Still doesn't change what has become the norm out of this team every year.

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I think you may have misunderstood my post.

From your post it appeared to infer that you feel that the organization needs to move on from Mike Tomlin. And then you closed your post with:

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Originally Posted by Mach1

Sometimes a change is needed to get where we want.

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My reply was to point out that the team is, in fact, changing. It just isn't going to be away from Mike Tomlin. They are not going to let one of the best coaches in the sport today walk away just because some of the fans are unhappy.

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Originally Posted by lipps83

I think you may have misunderstood my post.

From your post it appeared to infer that you feel that the organization needs to move on from Mike Tomlin. And then you closed your post with:



My reply was to point out that the team is, in fact, changing. It just isn't going to be away from Mike Tomlin. They are not going to let one of the best coaches in the sport today walk away just because some of the fans are unhappy.

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One of the "best coaches in the sport" should at the very least be able to win one playoff game in the last 8-9 years. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Mach1

One of the "best coaches in the sport" should at the very least be able to win one playoff game in the last 8-9 years. Just saying.

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I get it.

Sometimes it just takes a different perspective to be able to see things a little bit differently.

I think they have a vision of what they want this team to be, and no matter how much fans complain and talking heads say they "know better" the franchise is not going to stray away from that vision.

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Originally Posted by Born2Steel

That's weird to me. I go into every game confident we can win. Thanks to Tomlin, I'm usually right.

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:rofl2:
That post gave me a chuckle.

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Originally Posted by Mach1

Yet for the past decade, going .500 is the only expectation.
And if they make the playoffs one and done is expected.
Losing a couple games every year to teams they should beat.
The same old tired wore out game plan every week.
Showing up to a game unprepared and/or flat out getting out coached.
Just to name a few is all expected.

Sometimes a change is needed to get where we want.

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Nailed it.

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Originally Posted by lipps83

Did you ever think that maybe it's your own expectations that are the problem here?

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Did YOU ever think that maybe expecting more than ZERO playoff wins over the last eight years is NOT the problem, but that making excuses for the coach who has that horrible record IS?

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Originally Posted by lipps83

You probably never stopped to think that maybe they have a plan with everything they are trying to do? Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there.

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You probably never stopped to think that if they DO have a plan, whether we can see it or not, it must be a pretty shitty plan because for eight years or more it hasn't been working.

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Originally Posted by Mach1

One of the "best coaches in the sport" should at the very least be able to win one playoff game in the last 8-9 years. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by lipps83

I think they have a vision of what they want this team to be, and no matter how much fans complain and talking heads say they "know better" the franchise is not going to stray away from that vision.

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THAT'S THE PROBLEM !!! :frusty:

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Originally Posted by lipps83

Did you ever think that maybe it's your own expectations that are the problem here?

You probably never stopped to think that maybe they have a plan with everything they are trying to do? Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there.

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Or did you ever think they could be wrong? How have their plans worked out lately?