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The entire NFL has a goal of rushing 4 and dropping the rest into coverage. It is a core philosophy of just about every defensive coordinator going right now not namee Brian Flores. Flores remains committed to just sending everyone all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
The Steelers are top 10 in man coverage rate on the season.
Are these things really as bad as you think? Because the comparison around the league says no.
it seems pretty bad. Hurts had all day to throw against our 4 man rush, and when TJ is doubled or hurt our pass rush disappears. Granted 4 man rushes are the most common but when you arent getting pressure and your getting picked apart you have to generate pressure by blitzing. Austin doesn't seem to do it. Maybe we dont have the backfield to handle the coverage with one or two less guys back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
That's likely part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
Again, I think it's philosophy. Tomlin and company believe their 4 can get home enough to make it work.
The days of sending waves of blitzers is in the rearview for the Steelers.
Not saying it is the right or best approach but one they clearly strongly believe in.
That’s not nearly as true a statement as it used to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
which part?Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Pass rush disappearing when TJ is doubled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
There’s three quality rushers, not counting the DL now. In the past, there has never been that talent or depth across from or behind TJ
They weren't there for most of the eagles game and first browns game. I notice they still get stymied in certain games and Austin stubbornly refuses to send more people.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Just because we fans think they should do something or not do something does not mean the coach is being stubborn. Just a weird way of looking at the world, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
what are you talking about? Ok I’ll call it stupid or better yet insane (doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result)Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
just because those guys on the sideline are getting paid doesn't mean they always know what their doing
No. What I mean is, if I keep yelling to run the ball and burn clock, for instance. Yet the team keeps passing. This is a difference of strategy, not being stubborn, stupid, or insane. We need to blitz more!!!! Apparently they do not agree. Maybe it's not them being stubborn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
they dont have to agree, and we as fans dont have to agree with their approach. But when the Qb has all day to throw and the Steelers end up losing our opinion is kinda vindicated…Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
In your mind vindicated. And very possibly correct, but alternatively they blitz a slot corner and AJ Brown turns a 10 yard route into a 40 yard gain. Then we’re second guessing blitzing opposed to rushing 4. With TJ , Herbig and Highsmith you’re counting on pressure without blitzing. Sometimes it not coaching but their O line outplayed our D line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
No, it does not mean they always know what they're doing. But it does mean that they have a lot better idea than you or I do. Unless, that is, you or I have a full-time job evaluating football 40 or 50 hours a week, see the practices, know what's going on with each player concerning health, headspace, any other potential distractions or untapped potentials.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
I think being a member here at SU puts one on that level too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craic
I'm of the mindset that our scheme especially on defense is a tired scheme that has been on repeat for the last at least years. Look, I'm just a fan that really don't know the complete ins and outs of the day to day with the Steelers organization. All I can go by is the product they put on display week after week. What I see is a team with basically the same game plan week after week with not much ability to adjust on the fly. It's almost like they don't prepare for the specific opponents weaknesses or strengths. It's "we are gonna run this plan no matter what" when they stop it then we don't usually have an answer. Everything is predicated on the big splash plays or turnovers on defense to basically try and bail us out always. There is really not a "scheme" to even try to confuse the opponents. This goes to the coaching or lack there of. I've grown very tired of giving coordinators jobs (especially On D) when they havent done anything to prove they are even worth being a coordinator. They should have definitely hired Flores over Austin. Austin was basically a nobody that coached who the Bengals D and they had one of the worst defenses that year. We haven't had good coordinators in years. This is just what I see as a fan and what I see week after week. What do I know, just my opinion.
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Us Good Old Boys know our shit! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
No, you've got class.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
Wish there was a full list of good old boys. I’m just happy to know I’m on that list! I’m striving for the cool kids list though…Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
we have JPJ, Donte Jackson, top draft picks who should be able to handle a guy like brown, they can jam him at the line to delay the route from developing and give the blitz to get home. I think were too conservative on defense and it cost us a couple recent lossesQuote:
Originally Posted by cubanstogie
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i’m willing to bet a couple posters here just might have the edge over CanadaQuote:
Originally Posted by Craic
They tried man on Brown. Both Jackson and Porter got their butts kicked.
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Originally Posted by Craic
I have to disagree with you here a bit.
I understand what you are saying, but I don't like when people say that nobody is qualified to critique football coaches. Some of us here have played football at a high level, coached, or simply played and studied in a way that they have a full understanding of what they are looking at on a football field.
I was one of Matt Canada's biggest detractors here because I watched the film over a period of time and could see that what he was doing was not good enough at an NFL level. I saw that his play design was lacking. That his route combinations often didn't make any sense and were not complimentary. I could also see that Canada couldn't make adjustments based on what defenses were doing to him. Canada didn't understand how to scheme players open often enough for it to work. He was a horrible play caller that struggled to call plays in a way that sets up other plays to be successful later in the game. Of course, calling plays from his awful playbook didn't help.....but that was his offense and his job to design an offense that works.
I didn't just say "Matt Canada sucks!" I stated what wasn't working and explained why it wasn't working. I also said what I thought they needed to do to help things work better. The coaches that took over when Canada was fired did some of what I talked about by inserting elements into the offense to improve it. And I wasn't the only one. There were a few others here that tried to explain how plays can be tweaked, plays can be added, and how changes can be made on the fly in limited amounts on a week-to-week basis.
I and many other people were able to easily see Canada's shortcomings, yet Mike Tomlin and the Steelers organization continued to keep this guy and his offense around for years.
Please don't assume that everybody doesn't know what they're talking about.
You are correct that there are certain things that we can't know the context of from a distance sometimes, but the X's and O's and their implementation are not a mystery to many people. Sometimes fans actually do know that what they are seeing isn't good enough and need to be improved more than the NFL organization does. Matt Canada is Exhibit A in showing that sometimes people outside the organization know better than the team does.
if 6-1 Hurts is busy running for his life or has pass rushers in his field of vision it wont matter. We didnt do enough to make him uncomfortable, same thing has happened to Winston, may happen again to LJ and Mahomes. Cant keep rushing 4 if its not workingQuote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
how many times has Wilson not even had time to look downfield?
The poor play of Moore and Jones along with their rookie friends along the Steelers offensive line has little to do with whether or not the Steelers bring more than 4. Teams are getting pressure on Wilson without big blitzes because the Steelers O line still leaks like a sieve at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
I suspect the Steelers are rushing four more than you think. I also suspect that when they leave anyone not named Porter all alone in single coverage...it is dicey at best. Bishop has been roasted at various times this season. Some games he got beat like a drum. Jackson has balanced INTs with getting toasted. The next play Cam Sutton makes will be the first in 2024.
Another factor in the Steelers not blitzing the house, is the amount of running QBs they have played this season. And they seem to have taken an approach to containing those guys within the pocket rather than risking them getting big scrambles. The numbers against running QBs are the Steelers just totally shutting it down, a massive gap, and then the next best defense. Really, they are stopping the rushing of guys like Daniels, Jackson, and Hurts at I think about 2-3 times as well as the rest of the league.
It is a familiar overall philosophy....we do not think you can string 10-15 plays together against our defense consistently enough to win. Most teams can not. The Eagles were able to.
lets see how many times they rush more than 4 today. It’ll be interesting to see its effectiveness. Your right though, except for the eagles game and the short week against Cleveland it worked. I will say in spite of our trouble against Hurts, it still came down to an unforced error by Najee, otherwise this game is a dogfightQuote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
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How can anyone defend Tomlin after another late season collapse and no playoff wins in nearly a decade
They will find a way, as always. Tomlin could go 0-17 and they will blame everyone, but Tomlin.Quote:
Originally Posted by that1guy
The Steelers are a borderline playoff team that played an easy first half of the schedule and are now struggling as they face superior SB caliber teams.
This is neither difficult to see nor hard to predict.
The hype that this team was a 12+ win dark horse SB team was just silly.
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Originally Posted by Mojouw
I agree with that mobile QB statement. I think the defensive philosophy of bring four most of the time does work if your secondary is decent. And all your pass rushers our healthy. I believe we have a decent secondary when we are healthy. I know, no excuses, next man up and all. But the fact is the guys playing in our secondary today were not as talented as the one's who played in the first Raven's matchup. also, Henry was loaded to bear today either way probably but having backups in your secondary also effects the run defense.
1 sack, 0 Qb hits.