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As long as the media keeps propping up Tomlin then nothing will ever change. There is a reason he hasn't been named coach of the year, a lot of that has to do with the lack of playoff wins. They love the "regular season" records but what I and all of the fans care about are post season wins. The goal every year is to win a Superbowl and if it's not your goal then you are in the wrong business.
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Yeah. The Rooney's seem super influenced by what ESPN has to say.
If that was the case, Lamar Jackson wouldn’t have any MVPs. It’s a regular season award.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadesOfSteel1172
Distance, faith in defense led Mike Tomlin to punt in 4th quarter of Steelers' loss to Eagles
JOE RUTTER | Monday, Dec. 16, 2024
https://triblive.com/sports/distance...oss-to-eagles/
MVP's definitely don't equal championships but I get what you are saying. There is something to be said though why Tomlin has never received coach of the year awards and I do believe playoffs figure into that equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
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Thank you for proving my point. As you can see from the info you provided, the third down play where Hurts was sacked started with the clock at 2:00. How long do you think that play lasted? Six seconds, maybe eight at the most? Which means the play was over at the latest at 1:52, which means that Tomlin knew at 1:52 that the Steelers were going to get the ball. But as you can see he didn't call a timeout until 1:29. Which means he wasted at least 23 seconds after the play was over before calling a timeout. That's a lot of time to waste for no reason, and the fact that the Steelers now had to hurry more than they should have had to contributed to them getting a field goal there rather than a touchdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by fansince'76
You're the one who doesn't have the facts, dumbkopf. :boink:Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
No, to be in the Good Ol' Boys Club you have to tell people what they can and cannot post, like when they told you that you shouldn't post articles (unless you commented on them). You left the board for a while over that and I supported you, and you thanked me for my support. How soon they forget.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
Chuck Noll never won a coach of the year award until 1989 (his 21st season with the Steelers). And even the one he did win was a newly established award from the Maxwell Football Club, not the Associated Press, which is the only one anybody really pays any attention and lends any legitimacy to. Just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadesOfSteel1172
Yeah, he didn't call it "fast enough." I figured as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
You don't think that in this case that's a legitimate complaint? :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by fansince'76
Considering the offense's first half struggles up to that point, I think it's a whole lotta nit-picking, but that's just me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
Wasting 23 seconds at the end of the half is "nit-picking"? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by fansince'76
Considering the offense's first half struggles, they needed all the time they could get.
And if they did have more time and disaster struck and they turned the ball over and the Eagles got another score with the extra time, you'd be blaming him for that too. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
Bottom line, you're going to find fault with whatever the guy does regardless of circumstance, which is the real crux of the matter.
Since 1969, Steeler head coaches have received ONE coach of the year award. The AP award is the one that is recognized. Chuck Knox won it 3 times but how many Lombardis does he have? Stefanski winning twice is a joke. Lindy Infantes and Wayne Fontes? Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadesOfSteel1172
Playoffs have nothing to do with it.
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That's cool. But they really don't. I think it's more about the preseason expectations from the media. Most of the time, the media sees the Steelers as playoff contenders in the preseason. This is what works against him. And besides, Tomlin is always introduced as "Super Bowl winning coach, Mike Tomlin" whether anyone here likes it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadesOfSteel1172
I personally don't think he will ever win that award but all I care about is the post season. Can we ever get over the hump and win more than one playoff game? Nobody is afraid to play us anymore and haven't for years, simply because we have been an easy 1 and done in the playoffs. We need to instill fear in teams like we did 12-15 years ago. We have never regained that "edge" and there needs to be some pretty drastic changes in my eyes. I think a lot of it is scheme or lack there of. Especially on defense, I think we need a stud DC.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
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Tomlin hasnt been successful in the postseason since 2016 because his coordinators have been subpar. His last DC worth a damn was Dick LeBeau who left in 2014 and Haley on the offensive side who left in 17. Austin is subpar and I dont know know if Smith is good enough to help get us over the hump and win a playoff game or two. I dont know why we went with Austin over Flores. That to me is the second biggest mistake the Steelers have made regarding coordinators.
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agreed. LeBeau was the last good DC. Everything since has been a combination of mediocrity mixed in with Tomlin’s side gig as DC “consultant”Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadesOfSteel1172
There's nothing I've said about him that isn't true. One thing I've learned in life is that if you want something to be a certain way when it actually isn't, blaming the people who are telling the truth about the situation doesn't make it so. Don't shoot the messenger who's giving you an accurate message just because you don't like the message.Quote:
Originally Posted by fansince'76
Be careful, they'll accuse you of finding fault with the guy regardless of circumstance.. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadesOfSteel1172
You should get your own show on Comedy Central!Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
Critics would say that Tomlin's the one who hired those coordinators.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
I don’t think Tomlin’s coordinators are subpar.
I think it’s a difference in philosophy between Tomlin’s approach to football and some of the “scheme wizards”.
The “scheme guys” are spamming some wrinkle or potential innovation in approach to give their players an advantage. And as long as that wrinkle holds up; they look great. But if and when opponents catch up to it or injuries take a toll; they often fall off.
Tomlin and by extension the coaches he hires are using a different approach. Do a few core “simple” things perfectly. Do them over and over again. In Tomlin’s eyes that makes his team matchup proof. They are not dependent on scheme or personnel. The Steelers biggest opponent each week is the Steelers. Tomlin believes that if each guy executes his assignment; the team wins.
I have no idea which approach is truly better. I’m not smart enough to figure it out. I do know that I often wish the Steelers would get a bit “funkier” and “scheme” more. But that’s just not Tomlin’s core belief about football. He believes in “routine plays routinely “ and then having his “stars” making “splash” plays.
I think that is spot on. Like many things in life sometimes the same thing that is your greatest strength can also be your greatest weakness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
It’s whichever philosophy is working at the end of any particular season. I don’t think either is right or wrong but whichever one is “hot” or working in December and January and February…that’s the one that is working.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
If the Steelers were running funky, Andy Reid type plays (Todd Haley to a smaller extent) and they weren’t winning, the fans would bitch that the offense is “too cute” and would want them to just throw or run the ball. Now that they throw and run the ball, they aren’t innovative enough.
Ben said something interesting on his podcast the other day and it was kinda just a throwaway comment but the comment was that the teams he was on didn’t care how they won, pretty, ugly, lucky, whatever. Their only goal was to score one more point than the other team at the end. Frankly, that’s ALL that matters. Nothing more matters.
I've seen hardly any Chiefs games this season but that's their entire thing this year - score 1 more point.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Three midgets walk into the offices of the Guinness Book of World Records. The first midget goes up to the desk and says "I want to claim the record for having the world's smallest hands". The guy at the desk says "I don't have the time to research it now, but you can go into our reading room and look it up and see if you beat the old record". So the first midget goes into the reading room, and in a few minutes he comes out all smiling and happy and says "Yippee, I've got the record for the world's smallest hands!!! ".Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
The second midget says "I want to claim the record for the world's smallest feet". So he goes into the reading room and comes out a few minutes later jumping up and down and pumping his fist and says "All right !!! I've got the record for the world's smallest feet".
Then the third midget says "I want to claim the record for the world's smallest penis". So he goes into the reading room, and a few minutes later he comes out all upset and angry and he says "Who the hell is DesertSteel?"
4 man rushes too often and an over reliance on one star (TJ) - Not to mention our schemes on pass defense, playing off the receivers. Thats on Austin.
Whats our counter when TJ is tired or doubled? Thats on Austin
Overreliance on one defensive star? LeBeau/Polamalu, anyone? And as far as playing off of receivers, Brady practically made a career out of feasting on LeBeau's "tackle the catch" scheme.
And then there was the whole "rookie defensive players need to ride the pine for three years due to the complexity of the defense" thing.
LeBeau had his faults too. Just saying.