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Fields has done better than I thought he would this year, and showed promise. Wilson is only going to be here two years at most. We need to find out as much as we can this year about whether Fields is the guy or not. Therefore, this season should be all about evaluating/developing Fields, and any game where Fields is on the bench will be a waste.Quote:
Originally Posted by pczach
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Originally Posted by Rocky Mtn.
There is nothing to not like about him as a person. You can clearly see some growth in his game, and his teammates seem to love him and believe in him as well.
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Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
You know Tomlin loves his veteran players. Who knows what he's thinking about the duration of Wilson on this team.
If Wilson starts, I hope he lights it up and the Steelers win the Super Bowl. I just don't know that he is capable of that type of impact. I know he is much more likely to recognize a defense and get the ball out of his hands quickly. Wison has to know that this OL is not giving the quarterback time right now, so he won't be able to hold the ball as long as he usually does. I guess we will just have to see how it goes if and when he gets in there.
Since Fields is a free agent at the end of the season, it would be criminal not to have him locked up in a new contract with a chance to be the guy going forward. I only hope they aren't moving to Wilson to keep the amount of the potential contract down a bit. I don't think there is any doubt that Fields would like to stay with the Steelers with a chance to be the starter. At the very least, Fields is a very good backup. With a little more growth, he is clearly a quarterback you can win a lot of games with.
We brought Wilson to start and now that he is healthy, he should get a shot.
Fields was a decent game manager but he left a ton of passing yards on the field in these first 6 games.
have you seen the line play ???Quote:
Originally Posted by feltdizz
Honestly I am not sure Russ would still be playing in the League if he had played behind this line the first 6 weeks and I am almost 100% certain we wouldnt be 4-2 , probably more like 2-4 .... I havent seen a ton of plays from a clean pocket that Fields has missed that I am certain Russ makes but I have seen several plays Russ is sacked and Fields makes a play after said sack would have happened .... lets not discount what Fields has done via ad lib once its been broken down ... his legs are a weapon and he has half the teams rushing totals and 5x as many rushing TDs as the next man .... those things also matter
he also had a lot of very catch-able balls dropped by the inept receiving corps who is headlined by a guy that is less than stellar , Pickens gets way more credit than he deserves from most , Yes he is a dynamic talent but he isnt a dynamic player ...meaning while he can do things most cant he doesn't do routine things routinely , quits on routes , lally gags on routes when he doesn't think the ball is coming to him and drops balls he should easily catch.... he mopes to much and is a team distraction to top it all off ....
as it stands here today this team doesn't have a true #1 or #2 WR and won't until Pickens gets his head out of his ass ...
the stats clearly indicate what I am saying the production isnt there , yes he has the most receiving yards in a game for the season but CA3 has the second most and we are 6 games in if Pickens were a true #1 a slot guy and #3 in this system who gets far less targets should never sniff having the 2nd highest yardage totals in a single game after 6 weeks (CA3 as of this posting has had 17 targets all season to Pickens 44 targets or 60 yards per game average receiving) and for a "Alien" who can make all these dynamic catches it shouldnt matter who is throwing him the ball if its in the neighborhood a guy with that kind of moniker should be making plays on the ball and simple put he is not
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Everyone needs to breathe. Take a moment. Calm down.
The Pittsburgh Steelers football team were ALWAYS going to play Russell Wilson at starting quarterback for a number of games in the 2024 season.
The New York games are the two most "winnable" remaining games on the schedule. Either Wilson comes in and shakes off the rust and starts lighting it up OR he is as bad as many of us (I am one) fear he will be at this point in his career. Either way, they get the bye week to figure it out.
I am not saying I agree or this is what MojoUW would do in the same situation, but knowing everything you know about Rooney, Khan, and Tomlin...how is this either surprising or confusing of a decision? This is an easy outcome to both predict and understand. Unfortunately, it has a chance to blow up in their faces. But that is every decision in football.
I was pretty skeptical of getting Fields on the roster. Had zero expectations. Now, I want the Steelers to sign him long-term, even if he is only a back-up QB. Assuming his public comments reflect his private actions (always dangerous), this guy has leadership coming out the wazoo.Quote:
Originally Posted by pczach
Ageee. Same boat. Wasn’t crazy about either QB being “signed”…BUT…happy they did trade for Fields and jury still out on Wilson but so far he’s been fine.
I’m wondering if Fields’ market value has now gone up since his play in Pittsburgh. Will he be willing to sign with the Steelers or will he want to test the market? There are a lot, A LOT, of QB needy teams out there. Steelers would be wise to lock him up sooner than later.
I think it has gone up, but I also think he would be willing to sign with Pittsburgh since this is the team he requested prior to the Bears trading him. I wouldn't think the Sun has set on that even with Wilson being starter now since Wilson was a part of this team prior to that trade even happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Who knows though, next week the Steelers could trade a disgruntled Fields to the Eagles where he could be KP's backup.
Stranger things have happened.
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Originally Posted by Mojouw
I wanted no part of Wilson. I was against it from the beginning. I was more excited to get Fields because of the age and upside, but still cautious. These quarterback moves often define your team for many years. I hope they get it right.
Maybe both will be a move in the right direction. There is still much more to this story.
I dont think either guy is the long term answer at Qb for this team. I think they picked up Wilson as a cheaply priced chance to advance past the first round. Its obvious since they were not keen on KP after all even though they named him the starter at the end of last year. Wilson may have something left in the tank, the 26 TD’s are an indication, and he may thrive with Tomlin’s more hands off approach. They need the line to get healthy to help him out. Fields is a run first Qb who throws a laser and not much else. Good attitude and he may learn to read defenses but is that someone to pin our long term hopes on?
if Wilson plays well and we get some post season success i have a feeling he prices himself out of pittsburgh.
Bottom line i think our long term answer at Qb will be found in the draft (one of these drafts anyway)
If Wilson starts the next 2 games it could be a good teaching experience for Fields to watch from the sidelines and see some of the missed reads so he can make adjustments.
I’m willing to wait and see with Wilson because what else can a fan do?Quote:
Originally Posted by pczach
But I’ve not been a fan of the Wilson signing from the get go. I have had and continue to have low expectations for Wilson’s performance.
The sample set of “old QBs who play good/great, then play bad, and then return to glory while being even older” is ONE. ONE GUY - Kirt Warner. I guess maybe Two If we lump in Carson Palmer? Regardless it is a small group of guys.
I’m not a big believer in being the exception to the rule.
You cannot possibly know this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
The problem is, even if we drafted "our long term answer at QB" in a future draft, Tomlin doesn't have the patience or the coaching ability to allow him to develop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
Just his comments about him not playing good enough to keep the starting job…Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
There’s how Justin Fields handles it and then there’s how Kenny Pickett handled it. Do we think Fields is going to refuse to dress Sunday Night? I bet not…
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
I am almost certain , that doesn't mean you are ....
the way this line has played ..
1) I think Russ would have been pummeled
2) Justin has half the teams rushing yards and 5 times as many rushing TDs as the rest of the team combined ....
for a team that fancies itself as a running offense lets not pretend those numbers are not HUGE in terms of keeping drives alive and finishing drives to win football games ...
so YES I am fairly certain ...............
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Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
Just posing the question...
If the offense is a running offense, why is the QB doing most of the running?
As has been discussed in other threads as well, that is not a recipe for long term offensive success in the NFL. This QB change tells me that perhaps Fields is not running things true to design, maybe. Perhaps the thought is Russ is more equipped to run it as designed due to his experience. I THINK this is the best version of our OL we are going to see this season with all the injuries, so making the switch now is as good a time as any other, as far as OL play is concerned.
Because Harris has been underwhelming first 5 games without Warren. Since last week they are back togehter and that create that dynamic to open up a few runsQuote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
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Originally Posted by Born2Steel
impart because the primary RB was averaging 3ypc and by virtue of the math is was hit or miss if 3 consecutive runs would even gain enough yardage to secure the 1st down , secondly many of the runs were not by design but by breakdown of pass blocking and forced to move out of the pocket and go upfield on the scramble....
so in short partly by design and partly out of survival
Najee 3ypc vs cowboys depleted D-Line
Najee 1.5 ypc vs colts
Najee 3.9 vs chargers
Najee 3.5 vs falcons
so 4 of the 6 games less than 4 ypc supplemental running was / is needed when your are averaging low figures in a ground n pound offense
The QB has been doing a bunch of the running for two reasons:Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
1. The OL leaks like a sieve.
2. Opposing defenses have been trying to crowd the line of scrimmage and win the numbers game and get one or more unblocked helmets into the run defense equation. Adding the QB to that often puts the math back in the offenses favor.
Wilson has to hope one of two things happens:
1. The OL blocks way better than any other game this season. With Frazier....who seems to be the best OL on the team right now (and that is damning with faint praise)...out, I suspect they do not turn in their best performance of the season.
2. Wilson can connect on a few deep(er) shots early that backs the Jets way off. This seems like it would be the gameplan and Smith has shown a willingness to dial these up early in game plans. So....the key may be Wilson to Pickens against Gardner.
Not to mention some of those are designed plays.
OK to all of that. BUT...the offense cannot be designed for the QB to be the top rusher.
Of course not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
It is because the offensive line and the regular run game are awful fight now.
Can Wilson tilt the passing game enough that defense walks guys back and the run game finds some traction?
they botched Kenny’s career in pittsburgh thats for sure. If they go past the first round in the playoffs i guess they’re offseason decisions will be vindicated. But if not, they’ll look foolishQuote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
That is pretty much the crux of me question. Is Fields running this offense incorrectly because he's not seeing guys coming open and such? Things Russ will be able to see? Make defenses respect the pass, open run lanes for the RBs, and you still have Fields' athletic ability to take over with his legs. THAT is the plan for this offense?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Instead we have defenses crowding the LOS and keeping the run game at bay, forcing Fields to do what he's been doing. If this is in fact what's happening then I have to agree with turning to Russ this week. If it works we will find out if Fields can learn it or not. If it doesn't, we go back to try winning as many games as we can with Fields' legs.
That rests on the assumption/projection that KP has the ability to be a good starting QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
There’s just as much evidence in college and pros that he’s simply not good enough.
All good questions. We will find out how the passing game works Sunday Night with Russ in there. Maybe there’s something Fields wasn’t recognizing in the blocking and blitz pickups that Wilson will recognize and maybe that helps “improve” the o-line?
My hope is that Wilson counts heads inside the box and just shifts to something to a receiver behind where all those guys came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Makes it hurt too much for the defense to just keep blitzing the run like they have. On most “play action” the opposing LBs haven’t even messed with coverage, they’ve just charged forward hell for leather.
That’s what I am looking for. I’m looking for a significant difference in those type of things.