Now why would anyone get the impression Trump might collude with Russia?
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Now why would anyone get the impression Trump might collude with Russia?
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I was not attempting to make a determination of the wrongdoing on the call. That issue had its day in court and a judgement was made. I've moved on. All I was pointing out is that at least one specific person came forward with a series of facts (no one really ended up disputing what was in the transcript - just what it meant) and said that they felt it was a violation of whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by cubanstogie
With voter fraud...there are no facts. There is no evidence. There is a bunch of anonymous folks with hearsay and circumstantial figments of their imaginations. Find me a single specific person that has any documentation of their claims. Any at all.
The Lt. Governor of Texas is offering cash money ($25 K+) for any evidence. No matter how big or how small. He hasn't had to write a single check.
That's cool with me. I'll just come right and say I believe that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. I have not one ounce of Shame in my God.... nor am I ashamed in any way to say it loud.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelMember
is this for real ? I mean 30 sec in and I almost pissed my self . its so funny ..Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
Trust me, I am with you, brother... I already "own" the label. :wink02:Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
You see, that was the idea all along. There are weaknesses in the system that make things hard to trace and document, so they take advantage of that and deny deny deny. Remember, these people are the absolute scum of the Earth, so that assumption is not in much doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
What we have is a situation approximately like this:
> One side would benefit tremendously from cheating
> They announce that they don't really have a problem with that and will use any means necessary
> They spend a year changing the rules (illegally in many cases) to make cheating easier
> Many people call out in advance the way that cheating is likely to happen
> The results are highly suspicious
> The suspicious results exactly match what the people who called out the cheating ahead of time said
> The most suspicious results happened in states with Democrat governors who are wildly unpopular and face dismal futures without a Biden win
> Democrats: "Who, me? Well you've got a lot of nerve!"
I mean really, how dumb do you think people are. It is not a question of whether they cheated, it is a question of whether they get away with it. Even if they do get away with it, they are utter slime. And even if they do pull it off, all you are celebrating is that you screwed yourself over.
Total and complete nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelreserve
Really? Why don't you give your expert counter exchange on what he posted??? Don't copy and paste bull***t from some lame article. Let's hear it in your own words. Hint... monkey pics won't suffice.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom444
> Republicans gain a dozen seats in the House, when projections were the Democrats would add to their majority
> Every single race projected as a "toss-up" goes to Republicans, around 30 in all
> Presidential candidate "loses"
> "That's just because Trump is such an unpopular president individually! His own party can't even stand him, they abandoned him! DUH!!!"
> 96% approval within the Republican Party
> Almost no ballots cast for Republicans without both president and down-ballot races filled in
> 100x as many for Democrats
> :huh: :huh: :huh:
> "Come on, man!"
I know I posted a response. But it has disappeared. Oh. Well.
AZ, MI, WI, PA, and Georgia all either have splits between the statehouse and the Governors office or TOTAL Republican control. So who did the Dems pull off a giant voter fraud effort?
Further, it doesn't make a lick of sense to seize power using any and all means necessary to rig an election at the presidential level and lose every single election down the ballot in the same states. If the goal of the extreme left is to seize power and subvert the politics of the country as completely as possible...taking control of governships and statehouses in a post-census year is FAR more important than the presidency. Seize control there and you can redraw electoral districts creating impregnable Democratic strongholds that entrench "scumbags" in power for years and years. All I can figure is that NOT winning races down ballot is somehow "proof" of a larger conspiracy at the top of the ballot because it covers up the fraud committed to win the presidency? But, have been told that I don't have the IQ to understand the complexities of such intricate plots.
Alternatively, you could have pissed off McCain Republicans in AZ that combined with liberals and Native Americans to flip that state. You could have pissed off young people and black folks that turned out in large #'s to flip Georgia. Meanwhile, the suburbs of Philly voted like almost every other young college educated suburban demo did -- not for Trump. The REPUBLICAN official overseeing elections in the Philly area has even been spending the last week on TV telling everyone that his dude just got his ass kicked.
But, I am clearly too dumb to understand all the evidence and proof that is surely out there.
This is satire, obviously.... but it's what is happening.
https://youtu.be/6luFJvZt-og
Additionally, I keep hearing how Trump is so popular in the Republican Party. Great? But how does that change the overall math of registered voters in the entire country? I posted it earlier and was told I was a moron...but 34% of registered voters identify as Democrat. 33% Independent. 29% Republican. So split Independents 50/50 and you still get a Republican loss.
The Republican Party is a minority political party that is AMAZING at winning elections. But the numbers are not on their side. In an election where a historic amount of voters came out to the polls...the result was inevitable.
Well, at least you nailed it in your conclusion. You do have a way of latching on to any nonsense that supports your own wishful thinking, while ignoring what's obvious to everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
The simplest explanation is usually the best, and you don't have to be William of Occam to see what that is here
- Democrats got caught cheating because they were losing by way more than they thought and had to do a rush job
- Democrats also didn't cheat effectively in the down-ballot races because they had to do a rush job for president
- Counting votes in secret in the middle of the night, and trucks pulling up at 4 a.m. with loads of ballots that all go one way, is so suspicious it glows, and no one has put forth a credible explanation for that, other than "how dare you accuse us!"
See, I think the problem is that you are starting out with a faulty assumption. You believe that the Democratic Party is composed of basically good people with everyone's best interest at heart. When what you should be starting with is that they are disgusting scum who will do anything imaginable to seize power for its own sake. You are stuck with a false picture that is 30 years out of date, that's your problem.
Shmaybe? That all seems dubious at best. For instance, in Wisco, the mail in ballots followed the exact same timing and pattern of all previous presidential elections - just more of them. In a state that typically sees 6% of the electorate vote by mail that now had 60-80% of the electorate do so...that's not really hard to put together. Further, in Wisco, the ballots came late because the state was barred from touching the ballots earlier. These are the exact rules and procedures the Wisconsin Republican Party requested. They got everything they asked for. And still lost. But...whatever explanation keeps you happy is best.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelreserve
Again, if the goal is to seize power, down-ballot races are far more important for that then the presidential. So if you're gonna rig an election...why not just rig it right? The argument just simply doesn't make logical sense. Why not focus on the creation of impenetrable party strongholds for the next decade plus, ensure the appointment of only liberal judges at the state level (and the Federal if you control Congress), and finally, gain control over state election commissions/boards and simply enshrine whatever you want as the new voting rules? If you can enact enough fraud to elect a president -- it would be even easier to tip Congressional and state elections.
But I just have a 101 IQ and can't compete with the mental machinery you are able to bring to the table.
"Take Arizona. It is a state that has not voted for a Democratic presidential candidate since 1996. While rapidly diversifying, its older white population has leaned heavily toward Republicans. This time was different; white college graduate women and men flipped sharply toward Democrats, from 2016 Republican advantages of 2% and 12%, respectively, to 2020 Democratic advantages of 15% and 3%. Likewise, white noncollege men reduced their Republican support from 28% to 10%. In addition, Arizona’s senior population flipped from Republican support to even Democratic-Republican support." -- https://www.brookings.edu/research/2...itional-bases/
Might that be EXACTLY what you would expect to happen when you spend 4 years disparaging John McCain? On top of that one of McCain's closest friends in government is the opposing candidate? On top of THAT...his widow spoke at the DNC convention and essentially told ALL McCain supporters in Arizona to mobilize and turn-out for Biden? Nah. That's just crazy!
I happen to live here. This state has gradually been sliding to the left. I believe it was the previous presidential election cycle (or perhaps not, but it wasn't too long ago) where they dumped the Republican sheriff of perhaps the largest county in the state for a Democrat sheriff (amid several issues the previous sheriff had). Legalizing marijuana passed 60-40 percent as did raising taxes on the rich. IMO, we're getting the California crawl and it's starting to affect elections, unfortunately. So, put that alongside what Mojouw has written, and Arizona tipping democrat makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Thats the problem when californians leave and take their politics with them. I recently visited Tennessee to search for golf communities, friendliest people ive encountered in US, they all joke about welcoming us as long as we “sat on right side of pew”. Wearing my trump mask helped!Quote:
Originally Posted by Craic
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Originally Posted by Craic
It is happening all over. What I have heard proposed as an explanation is that retiring "baby boomers" or whoever is retiring now are moving to states with low cost of living to stretch their retirement dollars. Long story short, retirees are moving from Northeast, Rust Belt, and West Coast democratic outposts and filtering into traditional Republican strongholds across the South and Southwest.Quote:
Originally Posted by cubanstogie
The balance to that is that the same demographic movements are putting midwest and plains states in play for the GOP as well. The "traditional" maps we all grew up seeing election in and election out -- or at least since the 1990's -- are not going to hold.
Wake up.
https://fcw.com/articles/2020/11/12/...-election.aspxQuote:
DHS panel says 2020 vote was 'most secure in American history'
- By Adam Mazmanian
- Nov 12, 2020
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Poll workers check mail-in ballots. (Photo credit: Trevor Bexon/Shutterstock.com)
An election security team led by a senior Department of Homeland Security official stressed in a Nov. 12 press release that the 2020 general election "was the most secure in American history."
In bold type, the Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council, a team working under the aegis of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency at DHS, stated that, "[t]here is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised."
Here's a hint for ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by silver & black
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Color me shocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom444
I'll color you ignorant. Appallingly so.Quote:
Originally Posted by silver & black
Says the guy that replies to everything with animal pics.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom444
Tom since you are a Pats fan for years, It should have been obvious to you when the cheating began.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNQl0dJDNNMQuote:
Originally Posted by JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
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Get a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by silver & black
We should let the redneck states secede if they want, the IQ of the country will go up by 20 points
How about this ... Imagine for a moment that the roles were reversed, and Trump suddenly flipped five states at 4 a.m. where Biden had been leading by hundreds of thousands of votes. How would you react then?
My strong suspicion is that conservatives would be uneasy and waiting for a plausible explanation, while liberals would be throwing the shitfit to end all shitfits and attacking people at random in the street.
Contrast that with this situation, where one side uses logic and reason to show why there is no possible way the results could be taken seriously - while the smuggies just ignore it, along with every other appalling act they've committed for a year, and act like they're hot shit. Good vs. evil is not overstating it by much. Neither is smart vs. dumb.
You know, if there is proof that there was fraud, and hard evidence of it, and the election gets overturned, I would be absolutely OK with it. Unlike a lot of people I put country over party. Although I don't know if I count since I don't have a strong allegiance to either party, I identify most with the libertariansQuote:
Originally Posted by steelreserve
Personally? I would be fine with it since I generally understand how vote counting works.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelreserve
And your scenario already took place in several states. Florida and Ohio are two examples. Those states started counting mail-in ballots first. Showed Biden out to an early lead. This early vote count aligned with the "landslide" scenario some overly optimistic pollsters predicted. Liberal Twitter got all abuzz. Then those states started counting election day results and more recently returned absentee ballots. Big move to Trump and then Trump won those states. Both my examples, Florida and Ohio were predictable outcomes. Now if this had went down in like California or something...then I could see maybe a bit of a question being raised.
The time that the votes got counted doesn't matter. These were all ballots cast by or on election day. Dude lost. Get over it.