Looking into the 2013 Draft

2008 same sort of thing , hits and misses all over the place like a dart board

2008	1	2	2	33	Donnie Avery	Rams	Houston
	2	2	3	34	Devin Thomas	Redskins	Michigan State
	3	2	5	36	Jordy Nelson	Packers	Kansas State
	4	2	10	41	James Hardy	Bills	Indiana
	5	2	11	42	Eddie Royal	Broncos	Virginia Tech
	6	2	15	46	Jerome Simpson	Bengals	Coastal Carolina
	7	2	18	49	DeSean Jackson	Eagles	California
	8	2	20	51	Malcolm Kelly	Redskins	Oklahoma
	9	2	22	53	Limas Sweed	Steelers	Texas
	10	2	27	58	Dexter Jackson	Buccaneers	Appalachian State
	11	3	7	70	Earl Bennett	Bears	Vanderbilt
	12	3	18	81	Early Doucet	Cardinals	Louisiana State
	13	3	21	84	Harry Douglas	Falcons	Louisville
	14	3	32	95	Mario Manningham	Giants	Michigan
	15	3	34	97	Andre Caldwell	Bengals	Florida
	16	4	6	105	William Franklin	Chiefs	Missouri
	17	4	7	106	Marcus Smith	Ravens	New Mexico
	18	4	26	125	Arman Shields	Raiders	Richmond
	19	4	27	126	Lavelle Hawkins	Titans	California
	20	4	29	128	Keenan Burton	Rams	Kentucky
	21	5	1	136	Kenneth Moore	Lions	Wake Forest
	22	5	18	153	Matt Slater	Patriots	UCLA
	23	6	5	171	Marcus Henry	Jets	Kansas
	24	6	8	174	Josh Morgan	49ers	Virginia Tech
	25	6	16	182	Kevin Robinson	Chiefs	Utah State
	26	6	25	191	Paul Hubbard	Browns	Wisconsin
	27	6	27	193	Jaymar Johnson	Vikings	Jackson State
	28	6	39	205	Pierre Garcon	Colts	Mount Union
	29	7	8	215	Justin Harper	Ravens	Virginia Tech
	30	7	10	217	Brett Swain	Packers	San Diego State
	31	7	17	224	Steve Johnson	Bills	Kentucky
	32	7	19	226	Chaz Schilens	Raiders	San Diego State
	33	7	30	237	Adrian Arrington	Saints	Michigan
	34	7	39	246	Mario Urrutia	Bengals	Louisville
	35	7	41	248	Marcus Monk	Bears	Arkansas

As usual....we can probably stop thinking about picking up Kenny Vaccarro. He was listed as the #42 ranked prospect in the nation just a short time ago, and I suggested that we keep our eyes on him because he was easily a first round talent.

He has catapaulted into the first round and is now considered the overall #1 ranked safety in the upcoming draft, and on some boards he is a top ten pick.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings

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Mock Update for 2013

1. Jesse Williams NT Alabama. Improve the middle of the D line, occupy two linemen, inturn makes it easier for the ILB's to do their job. Remember our ILB's are never going to be Levon Kirkland type thumpers but cover guys who blitz inside. Most of the blitzes this season were interior blitzes. Le Beau doesn't blitz from the outside like he used to with his CB's and OLB's. Williams improves 3 positions in one.

2. Terrance Williams WR Baylor 6'2 205" Wallace is gone IMO. I love De'andre Hopkins but he will be gone. Justin Hunter reminds me of Limas Sweed - a very good prospect with suspect hands. I play it safe by taking Williams who has great hands, works the sideline extremely well, is not scared to go across the middle and has good straight line speed when needed. A playmaker is needed to support Brown and Sanders.

3. Kiko Alonso ILB Oregon 6'3 242" - I love Sean Spence as a prospect coming out. I loved that we drafted him. I am not 100% sure that he can come back and last long term. Alonso is a player who has a nose for the ball and also an ability to fire into the hole to meet the runner or QB. I love his knee bend and power that results. Yes he is a nut case with a record and if you listen to any interviews he sounds like his mission in life is to play football and not much else. Timmons will be around for the long haul, however another partner in crime will be needed to replace Larry Foote in the future. ( I am not going to mock it here but I can see Manti Te'o being the eventual 2013 pick)

4. Shawn Williams S Georgia 6'1 218 - had a shocker in his last game. I still think this guy is a player. He has a nose for the ball and makes stops and picks. I still have faith that his ability translates well to the NFL. Strong safety who could handle FS if needed.

5. Christine Michael RB Texas A&M 5'11 220" - had a limited role behind Malena and Manziel who took most of the carries. Very talented back who has been lost behind a number of players during his college career. Had some injury issues earlier in his career. His body hasn't seen a huge workload. Check out his tape and you may well like what you see.

6. Levine Toilolo TE Stanford 6'6 260" - Played backup to Fleener and then Ertz at Stanford. Works the middle of the field well as per the Stanford recipe. ( I would love to have mocked CB Josh Johnson from Purdue here but I think Heath Miller's injury may force the issue to find a TE. If they keep Leonard Pope then I would swap this pick for the CB)

7. Cornelius Washington DE / OLB Georgia 6'4 268' - put on 20lbs to help the team out at DE. Was a rush OLB with great speed. Let him drop the weight and get him back to his natural position. Worth a gamble. This guy jumped out when I was watching film on Shawn Williams '-- That Georgia D is going to produce some good pro's even though bama run riot on them recently. ( I want to jump on the 2014 Anthony Barr for OLB bandwagon now. We can do with Harrison, Carter, Worilds and Robinson for 2013 at ROLB)

7. (Comp for William gay) Lane Taylor OG Oklahoma State 6'3 328 - Watch the film for Joseph Randle. I will guarantee that you will see #68 at Right guard just eating up guys and opening lanes for Randle. This guy is again a player who does the small things well.


I know the NT pick in the first is not going to attract too many fans, however I think Williams gives the team more in the long run than a player like Montgomery or Mingo at OLB. Cordarrelle Patterson at WR would be a great pick but you know my mode of operation, its Le Beau's turn to get the first round pick. Le Beau doesn't pick Cb's in the first and in reality Teo may well drop. If he does then I think it takes 2 seconds to make the pick. I just see him still going in the top 15 if the draft was now.

I know I am short at OT, QB, FS and CB. I think, all except QB, that those players are on the roster in waiting.

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My 5th & 7th Rounders just made some serious jumps up draft boards after their showings at the combine.

If you want Washington now you may just have to spend a 2nd round pick

Cornelius Washington DE / OLB Georgia 6'3 265" -- 34" arms -- 36 bench reps -- 4.55 40 yard -- 39" inch Vert -- 10.67 Broad ( off the charts with his explosion numbers) His film shows a very disciplined guy who played the 5 tech and OLB solidly when asked to switch. Jarvis Jones and the rest of the bulldogs stars got all the hype but I think this guy can be one of the best out of that group.

Christine Michael RB - at 5'10 220. Check out his combine numbers. They totally reinforce everything you see on tape.

I love how the combine confirms what you see on tape.

Need more mock madness cmon Aussie give us something

This draft has me a little perplexed. Just a couple months ago I had two names in mind,,,, Dion Jordan, and Xavier Rhodes. Well, I think we can kiss both of them goodby. There are still possibilitys,,,, Jones still may slip to us, I believe that Vaccaro and Cooper will be there, and I am hearing now that Mingo may slid to us if there is a run on QBs. Still we have to ask,,,,,, is Vaccaro that much better than Amerson, who I think could be a very good CB, or an extordinary safty, who we might get in the 2nd round, and do any of us really know just how good Shawn Williams is, who we might pick up in the 3rd.

The logical thing to do is pick Ogletree, I can't see that happening, or trade out of the 1st round and consentrate on the 2nd, and 3rd round, where I think the true value of this draft is. Heres hoping that someone slid to us.

Also, my two favorite OTs were Terron Armstead, and Menelik Watson. Both would have be 3rd round picks,,,,, now they both may go in the 2nd round.......... I do wish we had 4 or 5 pick in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

What about Walter Stewart or Jamie Collins in the 3rd

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What about Walter Stewart or Jamie Collins in the 3rd

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Collins is one reason I like the 2nd and 3rd rounds so much. Collins may go in the later part of the 2nd. He and ILB Bostic, C/OG Brian Schwenke, SS Shawn Williams, WR Da'Rick Rogers, and others. There just looks to me that There is a lot of talent at good value once you get out of the 1st round.

I think Stewart would be a major reach in the 3rd, I like Aussies player Washington as a better choice, probably in the 5th round, I like Washington much better. I thought Stewart was an ordinary OLB. He did much better at DE, and at his size wouldn't really fit into our defence. Now, I have not seen Stewart play this year, so I could be way off.

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2...orsteams_1.php

Provided is a link to Walter Football's rumors for all the teams drafting in the bottom half of the first round. The Steelers are conveniently on top as pick #17. It provided some interesting information including special interest in an ILB

I'm so off my game this year. It's March and I haven't even thought about more than a handful of prospect who project lower than rounds one and two.

If Lane Johnson drops I like a trade down to Vikings pick up 23 and 83

My first 4 picks
RD1) Jesse Williams
Rd2) Giovani Bernard
Rd3 a) Quinton Patton
Rd3 b) Robert Lester

Steelers trade down with the 49ers. (Steelers 1.17 ( 900) and 4.17 (70) equals 49ers 1.31 ( 600) and 2.29 ( 290)) Rather than chase Darell Revis with two first round picks and the risk of him running at the end of his contract they go after Xavier Rhodes.


1 - 31 De Andre Hopkins WR (polished WR who will make all the hard catches in traffic)
2.16 Jamie Collins OLB ( cameron wake 2.0)
2.29 Gavin Escobar TE ( Great hands if you saw footage from the combine)
3.17 Shamarko Thomas SS ( steelers get younger at safetY)
5.17 Kenjon Barner RB ( Haley wanted Rainey last year. With Rainey gone Barner will assume that role that Haley so desperately wants)
6.18 Joe Kruger DE
7.17 Marvin Burdette ILB
7. comp Lane Taylor OG

I would love to take an all down back like Joseph Randle in the 3rd but I think the steelers will continue to roll with RB by committee.

I know I pimped Cornelius Washington ( on advice from others at another board) but I think he will be gone by the 3rd. I think Collins offers more in playing the ROLB.
Cant find a late round QB that I can see landing.
Would love to draft a FS but I think Clarks heir is on the roster ( Golden)

You rarely hear the Give Ben more weapons plea. This might be the year depending on which FA if any we target

So after looking at some videos of Jarvis Jones, I'm pretty much sold on him. I think he'd be a great Steeler. I like how he can read extremely well, he has quite a bit of speed, he causes a lot of turnovers, and can wrap up his man. The only issues that I have with him are his explosiveness off the line and block shredding techniques. I feel they both need to be worked on. He isn't explosive off the line and has limited techniques to shred blockers. This is why I think if the Steelers drafted him, it would help him. If James could be his mentor and teach him how to be explosive and get better at his technique, I think he could be a great linebacker in the NFL. The only issue is that some draft boards have him going to multiple teams including Cleveland, Detroit, New Orleans, and Pittsburgh. It will be interesting to see on the first round of the draft.

The former Auburn defensive end said Tuesday every team that runs a 3-4 defense is looking at him as an outside linebacker.

Lemonier mostly just worked on drills for his anticipated new position at Auburn's pro day under the supervision of Pittsburgh Steelers linebackers coach Keith Butler, and said Butler offered encouraging feedback.
http://collegefootball.ap.org/articl...-position-move

I still like the idea of trading down if some tremendous talent does not fall to 17. ( Aussie, I like your thoughts and players, as alway your on top of things )

Having said that,,,,,,,,, I will believe a trade down when I see it. I the event that thing fall the way I thing they will I can see us drafting Jonathan Cooper at 17. He may still figure to be the 2nd best OG in this draft, but he is the best interior line man. Cooper can play all 3 inside positions, and is at least as good as the OG we picked up last year. I can see no down side of a line starting with Cooper, Pouncey, Decastro, except for probably having to resign them within a 4 year span. If we change to the blocking scheme that they are talking about I think we will need a OG, and probably a OT. Might as well get started here. Plus, I think we may be the BAP at this point.

I this does not happen, I do have a back up plan, It involve a player listed right now as a center. Brian Schwenke out of Cal.

Couple Pro day notes with Steelers coaches eying position players

http://walterfootball.com/proday.php

Stansly Maponga DE/OLB TCU

Marvin Burdette ILB UAB

Brandon Williams NT Missouri Southern

check back a few month somewhere in this forum and I was pimping Williams as one of my sleepers ( then he had a killer senior bowl week ) and went from sleeper to eye opener

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Originally Posted by Dwinsgames

check back a few month somewhere in this forum and I was pimping Williams as one of my sleepers ( then he had a killer senior bowl week ) and went from sleeper to eye opener

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Film never lies.

That is usually why the guys we pimp early tend to fly up the boards. We can see what they do but many havent been pointed in their directions.

I have come to believe that a lot of internet talent evaluators only tend to really evaluate tape in the new year. Couple this with bowl games, national pre draft games, the combine and then the mandatory pro-days many of the smaller program guys tend to fly under the radar until the money time of the year.

Plus we also evaluate players entirely with the view of how their skillset translates to the steelers system.

Trends I have noticed over the years.

1. LeBeau likes his corners to be over 6 foot. Around 200lbs and run a 4.40. If they dont you can nearly always rule them out.
2. LeBeau likes his OLB's to be under 6'3. Around 250lbs. Always looks for guys who can get under the block when rushing.
3. Colbert has been known to draft a guy due to the intensive scouting done the year before from a day 1/ 2 pick. eg. Rainey/Gilbert/Pouncey................Gibson & Worthington/Heyward/Adams
4. Colbert alternates first round picks every year. The first round winner gets more picks ( this year its D's turn)
5. Colbert will draft two years in advance to replace a departing starter
6. Colbert loves juniors
7. The lower round picks tend to be Big Conference players who have played on poorly acheiving teams. They have still have a high level of competition competing against future NFL stars week in / week out.
8. Nearly forgot.... Colbert loves to double up on the premium position and get 2 players in the first 4 rounds.
9. The 3rd round is usually an overvalued gamble.
10. Always seems to be a player from texas.



Therefore
1. Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia 6'2 245 ( height / weight)
2. Zach Ertz TE STANFORD ( After watching DeCastro the year before)
3. Christine Michael RB Texas A&M ( overvalued, background concerns, texas)
4. Corey Lemonier OLB Auburn 6'3 250 ( height / weight / position double up)
5. Terry Hawthorne CB Illinois 6'0 195" 4.44sec forty time
6. Josh Boyce WR TCU 5'11 206" 4.38sec forty time ( texas - WR with blazing speed)
7. Elvis Fisher OT/OG Missouri 6'5 300" ( SEC lineman with a good bio who can easily be lost amongst all the talent.)

Good stuff Aussie , ya know those " trends" are spot on ( not that I like it ) and it looks like a typical Colbert draft where I am excited over a couple selections an disappointed with a few others where I myself recognize greater talent on the board at the time of the selection ....

Nice Aussie. I like Ertz 6-6/252, fast, athletic and after listening to a few interviews, he's got a good head.

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I say the Steelers give Aussie, Dwins, Texas and LLT the pick choices in this years draft!

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Nice Aussie. I like Ertz 6-6/252, fast, athletic and after listening to a few interviews, he's got a good head.

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I say the Steelers give Aussie, Dwins, Texas and LLT the pick choices in this years draft!

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talk about a dream job ( where is the salivate emote ? )

I have often wondered just how well a few internet Talent scouts would be able to do given the wealth of information ( medical and background ) and film we can not get our hands on that nfl teams do have as they ready for the draft and set their boards ......

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Film never lies.

That is usually why the guys we pimp early tend to fly up the boards. We can see what they do but many havent been pointed in their directions.

I have come to believe that a lot of internet talent evaluators only tend to really evaluate tape in the new year. Couple this with bowl games, national pre draft games, the combine and then the mandatory pro-days many of the smaller program guys tend to fly under the radar until the money time of the year.

Plus we also evaluate players entirely with the view of how their skillset translates to the steelers system.

Trends I have noticed over the years.

1. LeBeau likes his corners to be over 6 foot. Around 200lbs and run a 4.40. If they dont you can nearly always rule them out.
2. LeBeau likes his OLB's to be under 6'3. Around 250lbs. Always looks for guys who can get under the block when rushing.
3. Colbert has been known to draft a guy due to the intensive scouting done the year before from a day 1/ 2 pick. eg. Rainey/Gilbert/Pouncey................Gibson & Worthington/Heyward/Adams
4. Colbert alternates first round picks every year. The first round winner gets more picks ( this year its D's turn)
5. Colbert will draft two years in advance to replace a departing starter
6. Colbert loves juniors
7. The lower round picks tend to be Big Conference players who have played on poorly acheiving teams. They have still have a high level of competition competing against future NFL stars week in / week out.
8. Nearly forgot.... Colbert loves to double up on the premium position and get 2 players in the first 4 rounds.
9. The 3rd round is usually an overvalued gamble.
10. Always seems to be a player from texas.



Therefore
1. Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia 6'2 245 ( height / weight)
2. Zach Ertz TE STANFORD ( After watching DeCastro the year before)
3. Christine Michael RB Texas A&M ( overvalued, background concerns, texas)
4. Corey Lemonier OLB Auburn 6'3 250 ( height / weight / position double up)
5. Terry Hawthorne CB Illinois 6'0 195" 4.44sec forty time
6. Josh Boyce WR TCU 5'11 206" 4.38sec forty time ( texas - WR with blazing speed)
7. Elvis Fisher OT/OG Missouri 6'5 300" ( SEC lineman with a good bio who can easily be lost amongst all the talent.)

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Couldn't that also make Stephan Taylor from Stanford the first choice at RB

Jarvis Jones has now become the pick at 17 if he is still on the board , the release of Harrison has all but made it a certainty

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2. LeBeau likes his OLB's to be under 6'3. Around 250lbs. Always looks for guys who can get under the block when rushing.

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How about John Simon , obviously he wont become an instant starter, but he can play the run well and get after the QB. Dont think he will have to cover much with Timmons and Spence.


http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/spo...on_john00.html


Ohio State Overview: John Simon was a leader on and off the field whose efforts were always exemplary ... Simon was repeatedly referred to as the heart and soul of the 2012 team by Meyer, and he has the distinction of being only the eighth two-time captain in school history and the first since James Laurinaitis

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Couldn't that also make Stephan Taylor from Stanford the first choice at RB

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You are correct SIR. That would normally be the case but I think HALEY is the wildcard.

I got lucky last year by predicting he would take Chris Rainey.

I think HALEY covets speed in his RB's so I split the difference and went with Christine Michael.

I think this years Chris Rainey could actually be Kenjon Barner.

John Simon definitely fits the bill numbers wise. I have got to be very careful how I word this statement so here goes......

The steelers always draft OLB player that possess fast twitch muscles that can always be traced to back to southern hemisphere genetic material from the 18th and 19th century.

I like Simon, I just think he doesnt meet the above criteria.

Steelers reportedly spent quite a bit of time with this young man at his pro day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxj59C-Xzag

I can't wait till draft time there is so much talent to be had this year.

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Originally Posted by Dwinsgames

Steelers reportedly spent quite a bit of time with this young man at his pro day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxj59C-Xzag

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He looks really good, Dwins....but would you take him over J.Jones?

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How about John Simon , obviously he wont become an instant starter, but he can play the run well and get after the QB. Dont think he will have to cover much with Timmons and Spence.

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Don't count on Spence being back. He might not ever play again with that knee injury.

I guess this will end thoughts of getting JJ.

*Jarvis Jones’ neck injury is starting to look like it might be a non-issue on draft day, and there is little chance he will fall out of the top 10. In a medical report that was sent to NFL teams, leading orthopedist Craig Brigham refutes that Jones ever had a significant spinal cord contusion. When he was at Southern Cal, the pass rusher was diagnosed with one, and Southern Cal did not allow him to play in 2010. Jones transferred to Georgia and played two seasons with no problems. Brigham concluded that Jones either had a very mild incident of spinal cord concussion or merely a stinger that has long since resolved. Even if another similar injury occurred, Brigham concluded it would not be a career ending issue. After recently examining Jones, Brigham concluded, “Jarvis is cleared to play without restriction.”

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