I think better coaching and play design would’ve made a difference in KP’s playing. Imo.
I think the goal this year is more than a one and done. Thats why they're apparently turning to Wilson
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I think better coaching and play design would’ve made a difference in KP’s playing. Imo.
I think the goal this year is more than a one and done. Thats why they're apparently turning to Wilson
I thought so too…but he looked bad in Philadelphia during his playing time to the point it was debatable if he would be the number two guy.
The jury is still out but I think KP will end up as a good college QB and an average NFL backup at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Maybe like Bruce Gradkowski’s career?
I'm very interested to see how the offense runs with Russ tonight. It has been speculated Fields will get some snaps as well. I wonder if they will put both on the field together.
I’m sure they will. I’ve never seen it work before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
Jaworski and Cunningham tried this and it just wasn’t all that effective.
Are they willing to have one of them run real pass routes? Play tailback? If not; it is 10 on 11.
Maybe Fields gets 'Taysom Hill' type snaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
That might at least make the defense account for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
It just seems weird to me that they didn’t seem excited to call designed runs and expose Fields to hits for 6 weeks but now they just can’t wait to get him smacked around?
I wonder if it’s all to make Jets waste preparation time.
I think it's a way to try to give this offense a shot of energy and more plays. I'm for any ideas to help score points. Our offense needs all the help it can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Wouldn’t mind seeing them run that Tyler Warren Penn State play. [emoji23]
Unless KP has a resurgence the Steelers look good in this situation.
Warren is on my fantasy team. Can't believe he was not drafted and was available after week 2. Glad I scooped him up. He is responsible for about 3 of my wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
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So for all you QB knowledgeable folks....is "touch" a learnable skill?
Because all I could think about last night was "What if Fields could do all the things he can do now PLUS he learned to stop throwing everything as a line drive rocket and started putting some arc/touch/lead/whatever the right word is here on some of his passes"?
That version of Fields would be a heck of a hard QB to defend against. I was thinking that based off of last night...it is Wilson the rest of the way. Even I could see that. But....what about next year....could Fields learn to change how he delivers some of his passes? Or is it just too ingrained in muscle memory for a guy to really change?
I don’t know for a fact but I think that’s a coachable thing. I think the mind set has to be there as well as the confidence.
One question I was wondering was: Did Smith have more of the playbook open for Wilson than he did for Fields? There were a couple “new” plays there but maybe they weren’t new. Maybe they just worked under Wilson?
That was my biggest post-game question as well. They ran some sort of pick play with Pickens and Jefferson at least 3 times. Once for a TD and once for a decent gain and I forget the other one. I feel like we haven't seen that before. Maybe I missed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
I am hoping one of the internet breakdown sites has a mid-week posting about what was different. Was it play calls? Or was it Wilson took things that have been there previously and Fields was too hesitant with?
This is the question I was asking earlier in the week. Is Fields just not seeing things that are there, where Wilson will be better at seeing the whole field? I think that answer is yes after last night's game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
I would have to agree based on what I think I saw from my couch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
It also seems that Fields has been so focused on not turning the ball over....that he may have been hesitant to cut it loose. Wilson, clearly, had no such concerns.
I think it's coachable to a degree, but it also has to be something the QB has in them. What I mean is that they have to be able to read defenses and know when to rocket it and when to throw the touch pass. On the TD to Pickens, Russ read a blitz and quickly recognized one on one coverage and released it immediately. Not sure Fields would have seen or done that and pretty sure he would have held onto the ball too long and been forced to scrabble.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Minimal turnovers were a major part of Fields' success. Also, the Steelers got 4 turnovers against the Jets which helped to ensure a blowout win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
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Originally Posted by Mojouw
It is a learnable skill. However, it is something that needs to be worked on over and over and over again until it becomes a more natural act. On top of that, the degree of ability is always determined by a natural ability to do it.
It can be done. I have seen people get better at it by working diligently on improving that part of their game. Fields will also be limited by whatever his abilities allow.
I am not a tall person. I played the position and routinely had to throw the ball over people. I had a very good arm, but learning to alter your arm angle and putting extra loft on the ball to get it over defenders is something that is done out of necessity. I see that in Wilson where he is able to feather some throws with defenders in his face. I think that is partly why he is such a good deep ball thrower with touch. That was also my strength.
There are obviously large quarterbacks that are able to make all the throws, but I think the fact that Fields was such an athletic freak and didn't play in sophisticated passing offenses worked against him in this regard. He probably didn't have to alter throws to fit the ball in. He could just use his athleticism to run with the ball or buy more time to make a throw he could execute more easily. That's not a knock. That's just an observation based on seeing people that were bigger and more physically talented than me.
Its his 4th year already. I think its hard at his tenure and at this level to learn to read defenses and develop touch. Its going to take alot of offseason work. Bubby never really learned to read defenses.
That all makes a great deal of sense and fits with what it looks like when you watch Fields play.Quote:
Originally Posted by pczach
Maybe you can get a job as a personal QB guru? Beats working for a living!
I still believe that Tomlin sees Fields as very very exiting long term solution. Fields was meant to be the develooment project all along .
Insane athletics
Calm and poised
Restricted playbook so far (muck like KP) as the "pole position" guy was injured
Learn, develop , look at Russ, learn, develop, meld with team, learn, develop. Repeat
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Originally Posted by Mojouw
I would love to show everyone at an NFL level that I have no idea what I'm talking about for outrageous amounts of money. Sign me up!
All you got to do is get hired ONCE. Then your resume FOREVER says "NFL QB Coach"...thus ensuring you can ride the coaching carousel for as long as you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by pczach
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Originally Posted by Mojouw
It's like stealing. I'd be a made man.
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Originally Posted by pczach
Assuming Wilson keeps playing well and we go deep in the playoffs and he resigns with us on a multi year deal, it’ll be interesting to see what they do with fields. He may get an opportunity to start elsewhere (Giants or Titans). I think he’s more apt to leave even if its a “chance” at a starting gig
That’s likely how Fields and his representatives have to approach it. He’s got like 1-2 more seasons where he could convince someone he is the answer. After that, he’s on the Jacoby Brissett career track.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
That’s tens of millions of different things.
I also think that the excitement over Wilson is a bit over exaggerated. He played better than Fields but how good did he really play? And how much more does he have? In four eeeks is he playing the same, better, or worse? Open question.
I think Wilson played well any way you slice it. Of course it probably seemed greater than it was because we haven't seen that level of play since Ben. But it was the best debut of any Steeler QB in a long long time (before Terry).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
How could he get worse unless he gets hurt or starts getting age related aches and pains during the week that he can't shake off? Otherwise i doubt he gets rattled or confused by what a defense may throw at him. He's seen it all at this stage and faced just about everything successfully. So aside from sudden physical deterioration he's at least plateaued and might very well get better. just my guess.
Fields played and threw good passes to Pickens and Heyward and they didn't pull them in, and everybody said Fields played poorly. Wilson played and threw passes to Pickens and Friermuth and they pulled them in with spectacular catches, and everybody said Wilson played great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
but did he really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
I mean Fields played teams with starting DBs , Russ played vs Sauce Gardener and the teams 6th , 7th and 8th best DBs the Jets were pummeled in the secondary ....
also we called a different game with more pass plays and more deep balls called and if we are Honest Russ's deep ball floats and is a recipe for disaster vs NFL quality starting DBs .... maybe thats Russ knocking off the rust , maybe not idk time will tell ....
Russ just completed 55% of his passes .... in 1970 that was good in 2024 not so much
Fields did not play all that well against the Cowboys or the Raiders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
I think Wilson played fine against the Jets but he’s got some work to do to round into shape.
He’s not gonna be able to take advantage of rub routes with the single high safety on the other hash forever.
But the team needs to see where it goes.
Basically, the offense finally looked like an NFL offense for the last 60% of the game. 31 unanswered points is pretty impressive. Let's not get too cute with the statistics.
No, Wilson was better than Fields.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
Some of these takes are a bit unfair. The cowboys were missing several starting defenders including their best (Micah Parsons) and their 2ndary players were dropping like flies ingame. If we're going to play this game we also need to acknowledge that Russell played without his intended starting O-line except for Seumalo going up against a really nasty Jets Front 7 where their strength is anyways. Russell has made outstanding throws under pressure since his rookie year and he still had that magic Sunday night. I thought his most impressive play by far was that off-platform throw on a shallow crosser to Freiermuth with an unblocked defender completely in his face. That was one hell of an adjustment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
Also Russell floating some of his passes is exactly why his biggest plays were completed. Throw a line drive on 100% of your throws like Fields and it places the defender favorably between the ball and the pass catcher way too often. I watched some of the big throws again and pretty much any of them that could be considered underthrows to some degree were influenced by a lot of pressure. The exception was the 1-handed Freiermuth catch, which he actually talked about being thrown where they both wanted it because he noticed defenders hand fighting with inside leverage a lot (and the film checks out)
Fields has too, in fact the line play looked better this past week than at any point in the season ( they have had some time to gel) Dallas backup d-line was manhandling our O-Line so not sure how that goes against Fields , the line sucked , he had no time but still drove us down the field for the go ahead score with 5 min left in the game , the defense then folded and let the cowboys win ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho Ward 86
I agree completely with this. You may want to re-think it. :boink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
Do people not know that Russell Wilson has always thrown that style ball? That's his deep ball, it floats and then drops where it is supposed to. lol. He's made a pretty nice career out of throwing a moon ball style pass and there's been very little to no issues in the past. People need to watch a more variety of games. The line looked terrible to start against the Jets and then something changed. The line didn't learn how to play better, I suspect it was something Wilson called or did to make that better. Good QBs can do that from time to time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho Ward 86
He was better. Yes there were some great catches and a bunch of times threw jump balls. But you got to give Wilson credit for noticing single coverage and favorable matchups. Now if they can just grab a WR to contribute.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Wilson was better at picking the ball downfield. Fields was better at keeping plays alive and getting yardage they shouldn’t have gotten.
I still say that Wilson knew things that Fields did not and that helped the o-line.