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Fortunately, Kenny is not doing machinist work. I was originally concerned about his hand size, but watching him play alleviated that. I still have concerns about his deep ball arm strength. I need to see some deep balls that aren't floaters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
hey an extra half inch is the difference between average joe and getting in some movies :chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
Here's what gets me. There's so much hatred for Canada, but a stat like this is very much dependent on scheming as well. I liked Arians, but there's no way Pickett has these numbers under his scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
His numbers would be much better in fact...Maybe not in completion % but in YPA...Arians has always been great with the QBQuote:
Originally Posted by Craic
KP had his first game with a passer rating over 90 on Sunday. >85 for 3 games in a row.
I disagree. With this Oline, Pickett would get killed having to wait for the run routes to develop.
Probably would be on IR by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craic
Pickett would've been on IR if he played under Arians. Arians had no concept of protecting the quarterback, running the football, use of fullbacks, or scheming a possession game. Seven step drops every pass and gun it. Ben was one of the most sacked QBs in the league and was tough enough to take the beating, but even he had his limits. So much that the Rooneys canned Arians after Ben's ankle was destroyed in 2011 and they brought in Todd Haley. If Arians wasn't shown the door, Ben would've been done by 35.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
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Originally Posted by Edman
It's not like Arians did that with the other QBs he had in his career....Arians used Ben's toughness and playmaking ability as a assets and it was a great idea since Ben was still young at this time
If you look at the number of sacks like Palmer in Arizona, it was much lower because Palmer and other QBs were just different than BenThe thing is, Arians has had success with every QB he's had in his career and no one can argue otherwise outside of Jameis Winston since his interception was out of the control
I mean even Kelly Holcomb, a career backup almost beat the steelers in the playoffs in 2002 with over 400 passing yards on offense
For the rest, the use of Arians for the running game has always been among the average of the league, whether their running game are good or not...I could even say that he used the running game too much in some big game like in 2002 in the playoff game against us even if the browns running game were absolutely pathetic, same thing for the super bowl in 2008... Arians don't use the running game is a big myth
Same for time of possession, under Arians, the Steelers mostly always had one of the teams that was best in time of possession per drive for an offense, but for some reason Arians had the heat for the collapses on defense in the fourth quarter in 2009 even though the offense was one of the best in the league at keeping the ball on offense with long drives...The excuse that the defense was tired is one of the worst excuse ever....
Just like KP’s ability to make a positive play when things breakdown, whether by running or scrambling and making a pass. No Steeler QB has been able to do that in the last 50 years outside of Terry and Ben (maybe Kordell had that ability but he didn’t use it) I think that’s what makes KP look like the next franchise QB. His accuracy is great, he’s just got a few longer passes that get away from him per game but hopefully those go away or lessen with game time. Don’t know if it’s an adjustment to the pro ball size, game speed or both.
So is it official? Have the "Mason Rudolph just needs a fair chance" fans moved on from him and he can walk away in the offseason?
They were still around??Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
KP is better but MR didn’t get much of a fair shake with Canada. And I will say Mitch is no better than MR and maybe worse. Mitch was a pointless signing imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
Rudolph had enough chances and showed his ceiling already. Not a bad backup at all, but not a franchise guy either.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
Mitch is a ton better than MR. Mitch at his worst looked like Mason in a good day. MR can't touch Mitch when they both are playing their best. Both are way under starter caliber, but anyone who would choose Rudolph over Mitch for reasons other than salary needs a new evaluation method.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
My evaluation method is watching football, what's yours? Mitch has been horrible for the Steelers. So much so that Tomlin rushed KP into the second half of the Jets game. I know its cool to bash MR in this forum, and i know he's not starter quality, but calling Mitch tons better is ridiculous hyperbole. And the stats would bear it out - i won't even bother with posting them cause i don't need to waste my time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craic
Rudolph isnt anywhere close to being better than Trubisky. Just one fact…Trubisky can extend a play and throw with full motion if the pocket is collapsing, which it did often. Rudolph stands in the pocket and rarely flinches and then tries to throw the ball from awkward angles. Just that alone, all stats aside, makes Trubisky a much better QB…and really, you needn’t go any further than that.
It’s like saying broccoli better than asparagus (or any veggie). neither is great but you need veggies and you need a backup QB. Personally I’d rather have MT due to dual threat . With injuries to QB ls you’d think one of them would’ve been looked at for a 5th or 6 rounder. Instead Mayfield and Josh Johnson signed. We can’t even give one of these guys away.
Kenny Pickett put that to bed for good. Mitch and MR should've never been considered for a starting job as soon as Pickett was drafted.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
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Originally Posted by Craic
How can a QB be "tons better" than another QB who is 5-4-1 as starter and still suck as bad as Trubisky? Inquiring minds want to know... I would agree that he "sucks less."
I noticed that, but looks like Mayfield is better than MT and MR lol. The comeback tonight was pretty amazing and helped the Steelers in for a playoff possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by cubanstogie
Mayfield is far and away better than Trubisky and Rudolph…
He’s not a terrible QB when he does what he’s supposed to do. It’s when he tries to do too much that gets him in trouble…
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Originally Posted by 86WARD
sometimes that is putting the uniform on , others it might be buckling his chin strap ... but either way he isnt good
He was the best Browns QB since Testaverde :chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
He was a little better than a game manager. 3500 yards and low to kid 20s TDs isn’t terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
I think Kelly Holcombe and Jeff Garcia want to debate that. :wink02:Quote:
Originally Posted by DuckHodges
Jeff Garcia has been horrible with the Browns!Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
Be better in the red zone is the next step for him.....