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What is the Mike Mauti injury status? How bad he hurt his knee? I have watched him couple times this season, and he was all over the field. Natural leader, sure tackler,... Any thoughts about him?
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Drazo85
What is the Mike Mauti injury status? How bad he hurt his knee? I have watched him couple times this season, and he was all over the field. Natural leader, sure tackler,... Any thoughts about him?
Where does he play, and what position?
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Drazo85
What is the Mike Mauti injury status? How bad he hurt his knee? I have watched him couple times this season, and he was all over the field. Natural leader, sure tackler,... Any thoughts about him?
Scares me to death...three serious knee injuries in 4 years. The latest was a season ending injury...but he racked up good numbers prior to it.
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Where does he play, and what position?
Linebacker...Penn State
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Scares me to death...three serious knee injuries in 4 years. The latest was a season ending injury...but he racked up good numbers prior to it.
Linebacker...Penn State
scares me too..... Two ACL injuries, one in each knee, a shoulder injury, the guy can't seem to stay healthy. He has great potential and when healthy plays like a beast, but he's one hell of a risk.
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LLT
Scares me to death...three serious knee injuries in 4 years. The latest was a season ending injury...but he racked up good numbers prior to it.
Linebacker...Penn State
Thanks. :)
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late round flyer , not because of the lack of skill but as it has already been stated for whatever reason he just can not stay healthy , call it bad luck or call it fragile internal parts regardless of how you look at it at the end of the day to help any team you have to be able to suit up every week and he has just not proven the ability to be able to do that .....
Kendrell Bell was one hell of a player who was just never able to stay on the field for one injury after another and Mauti reminds me a little of Bell ........
Maybe its the injury bug aspect but I can not get it out of my head for whatever reason
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Dwinsgames
late round flyer , not because of the lack of skill but as it has already been stated for whatever reason he just can not stay healthy , call it bad luck or call it fragile internal parts regardless of how you look at it at the end of the day to help any team you have to be able to suit up every week and he has just not proven the ability to be able to do that .....
Kendrell Bell was one hell of a player who was just never able to stay on the field for one injury after another and Mauti reminds me a little of Bell ........
Maybe its the injury bug aspect but I can not get it out of my head for whatever reason
I had such high hopes for 'Contact', he just couldn't stay on the field. Didn't he end up in KC?
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Personally I would like to get Stefan Taylor, RB Stanford, in the 2nd or 3rd round. The Steelers need a starting caliber RB, and I wouldn't mind spending a 2nd round pick to get him.
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43Hitman
I had such high hopes for 'Contact', he just couldn't stay on the field. Didn't he end up in KC?
yea he went to KC and fizzled out like a wet match , again he was always hurt or had some lingering issue that kept his performance to a minimal
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Personally I would like to get Stefan Taylor, RB Stanford, in the 2nd or 3rd round. The Steelers need a starting caliber RB, and I wouldn't mind spending a 2nd round pick to get him.
I like Taylor too , just like Le'veon Bell a little more would be happy to get either of them in B&G
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Who are some QB's that would be worth looking at as a back-up to Ben?
I apologize if this was already discussed in the thread, I'm just too lazy to look. :lol:
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Who are some QB's that would be worth looking at as a back-up to Ben?
I apologize if this was already discussed in the thread, I'm just too lazy to look. :lol:
I am big on Brad Sorensen in the Middle rounds of the draft , I think we have to many needs early on to spend a pick that we hope does not see the field ...
he ( to me ) has a lot of Ben in his game and would be a perfect guy to sit and learn a few years behind someone like Ben who is similar in size , arm strength and intangibles .. has a pretty high completion percentage as well and like Ben comes from a smaller program but is a BYU transfer so has some big program ability
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Dwinsgames
I am big on Brad Sorensen in the Middle rounds of the draft , I think we have to many needs early on to spend a pick that we hope does not see the field ...
he ( to me ) has a lot of Ben in his game and would be a perfect guy to sit and learn a few years behind someone like Ben who is similar in size , arm strength and intangibles .. has a pretty high completion percentage as well and like Ben comes from a smaller program but is a BYU transfer so has some big program ability
What do you think about Landry Jones? Is he worth the second round pick?
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What do you think about Landry Jones? Is he worth the second round pick?
very worthy , but like I said earlier , from my perspective we can ill afford at this point in time to spend a high round pick on a guy we pray does not make it on the field as long as we have Ben considering the other issues we have with lack of talent/depth and age perspectives of the starters ... but that is just how I look at it ...
I am sure others will be willing to say if Ben goes down and what exactly do we have ( and it is a valid point ) ....
I am not sure Jones gives you anything physically Sorensen does not give you with exception of playing in a larger arena to this point in their careers , both are 60% plus percentage passers that can make the big time throw when called upon , both are big physical presences under Center ..... both have a good to excellent td/int ratios .... neither are real fleet of foot .....
just my opinion though ....
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I think I'm backing off a QB all together, unless there is an unusual value at some pick. I do hope that they can find a veteren to sign as a back up. I guess now we can start getting down to buisness.
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Texasteel
I think I'm backing off a QB all together, unless there is an unusual value at some pick. I do hope that they can find a veteren to sign as a back up. I guess now we can start getting down to buisness.
yep by days end we will know exactly when we select come April
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the win today hurt us as far as draft pos... as of this moment we select 18th ... if the Rams can make a comeback from a score down we would be at 17 .... hate to say it but I am rooting for the Cowboys to be the skins tonight and the potential of 16th selection ... ( had we lost we could have been top 12-14 )
edit .... Rams lost so best case scenario 17th selection ( that comes with a Cowboy Win a Cowboy loss we pick 18th according to the standings at NFL.com )
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I would be stoked if any of my bulldogs get drafted by the steelers..alec olgletree would look great replcing Larry foote. Barcdi rambo would look great playing safety...jarvis jones will be gone by the time we draft.
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Well its getting closer to that time in which we will start posting our draft page. I love this time of year as things "start" to fall in place for the NFle draft and we get little hints as to where we might be looking.
Just looking at prospect ratings and where we might what positions we need, I noticed that there are some significant points to be made. Most significant is that outside of the first two rounds this is a TERRIBLE draft for 3/4 OLB. Also noted that We are in a pretty good spot for a team to trade with if their is a run on a certain position
So working around those issues here is a sample mock draft.
1st round: Strong Safety Matt Elam of Florida. 5'10 202
I dont think there is any doubt that our two biggest needs are Safety and ILB. Elam has shot up the boards as the consensus best safety in this class. He is a sure tackler and seems to possess very strong instincts. I have no doubts that he would be available at #17. I think that this might be a good year to trade from this spot but if we stay in place I can see Elam holding up a Steelers jersey.
2nd Round: Inside Linebacker Kevin Minter of LSU. 6'2 245
Solid ILB prospect with good size and the disposition to be the thumper inside that we need. As I have stated before, I dont think Sean Spense was drafted as a full time ILB, but rather for those plays in which his skillset can neutralize the hybrid TE's that have become popular throughout the league. Minter would be the replacement for Larry Foote and would give us a great inside tandem beside Lawrence Timmons.
3rd Round: Running Back LeVeon Bell of Michigan State 6'2 244
The value at RB in this years draft is in the back half of the second round through the third round. Bell is the Big 10 rushing leader and is one of those exceptional players that seems to gain momentum as games progress. He is a bull and does a very good job of hitting holes while squared up... keeping his legs moving. He is a punishing back that will wear down DT's and LBers. Our RB corps may be without Mendenhall next year and Bell would be a nice addition to share snaps with Dwyer.
4th Round: Wide Reciever Denard Robinson of Michigan. 5'11 197
Former QB who projects as a reciever in th Pros. Robinson runs a 4.39 forty, and if drafted, would be a candidate to take Wallace's place in stretching defenses. As a former QB Robinson should have a short learning curve in regards to running passing routes and could help the team immediately as a reciever and on ST's.
5th Round: CB Robert Alford of Southeast Louisiana. 5'11 190
With 4.40 speed and legitimate ball skills, Alford finished his career with 10 interceptions. He also had 12 passes defended this year and returned one interception for a touchdown. We should have a better idea if this small school prospect is legitimate after the senior bowl,
5th Round (Projected Compensatory pick): SS/FS Shamarko Thomas of Syracuse 5'10 210
Athletic safety with extreme speed. Willing tackler but is often so aggressive that his speed takes him out of the play when he bites on pump fakes or savvy play calling. Carnell Lake will find it easier to reign Thomas in...then if he had to light a fire under him. With good coaching, Thomas could shut down portions of the field.
6th Round: OLB Michael Mauti of Penn State. 6'2 235
Here is where we can afford to gamble. Mauti has an extensive history of injuries and some scouts will pass on him due to a feeling that he might not be durable enough for the NFL. The Steelers can take a chance with a 6th reound pick and if it pans out they will have a player that posseses 1st round talent. Mauti is a high character...high motor...team leader. Mauti ranked in the top 10 in the Big Ten in tackles, interceptions, and forced fumbles.
7th Round: Quarterback Collin Klein of Kansas State. 6'5 226
Klein is a nimble QB with an accurate arm. He makes defenses suffer if they give him a running lane. He combined for 40 TD's in 2011 and 37 TD's this past year. He connected on 66.2% of his passes but does have a weird throwing motion that may have to be corrected. Cerebral player who generally makes good decisions. His accuracy suffers on longer throws but Haleys offense is built around the short and intermediate passes.
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LLT
Well its getting closer to that time in which we will start posting our draft page. I love this time of year as things "start" to fall in place for the NFle draft and we get little hints as to where we might be looking.
Just looking at prospect ratings and where we might what positions we need, I noticed that there are some significant points to be made. Most significant is that outside of the first two rounds this is a TERRIBLE draft for 3/4 OLB. Also noted that We are in a pretty good spot for a team to trade with if their is a run on a certain position
So working around those issues here is a sample mock draft.
1st round: Strong Safety Matt Elam of Florida. 5'10 202
I dont think there is any doubt that our two biggest needs are Safety and ILB. Elam has shot up the boards as the consensus best safety in this class. He is a sure tackler and seems to possess very strong instincts. I have no doubts that he would be available at #17. I think that this might be a good year to trade from this spot but if we stay in place I can see Elam holding up a Steelers jersey.
2nd Round: Inside Linebacker Kevin Minter of LSU. 6'2 245
Solid ILB prospect with good size and the disposition to be the thumper inside that we need. As I have stated before, I dont think Sean Spense was drafted as a full time ILB, but rather for those plays in which his skillset can neutralize the hybrid TE's that have become popular throughout the league. Minter would be the replacement for Larry Foote and would give us a great inside tandem beside Lawrence Timmons.
3rd Round: Running Back LeVeon Bell of Michigan State 6'2 244
The value at RB in this years draft is in the back half of the second round through the third round. Bell is the Big 10 rushing leader and is one of those exceptional players that seems to gain momentum as games progress. He is a bull and does a very good job of hitting holes while squared up... keeping his legs moving. He is a punishing back that will wear down DT's and LBers. Our RB corps may be without Mendenhall next year and Bell would be a nice addition to share snaps with Dwyer.
4th Round: Wide Reciever Denard Robinson of Michigan. 5'11 197
Former QB who projects as a reciever in th Pros. Robinson runs a 4.39 forty, and if drafted, would be a candidate to take Wallace's place in stretching defenses. As a former QB Robinson should have a short learning curve in regards to running passing routes and could help the team immediately as a reciever and on ST's.
5th Round: CB Robert Alford of Southeast Louisiana. 5'11 190
With 4.40 speed and legitimate ball skills, Alford finished his career with 10 interceptions. He also had 12 passes defended this year and returned one interception for a touchdown. We should have a better idea if this small school prospect is legitimate after the senior bowl,
5th Round (Projected Compensatory pick): SS/FS Shamarko Thomas of Syracuse 5'10 210
Athletic safety with extreme speed. Willing tackler but is often so aggressive that his speed takes him out of the play when he bites on pump fakes or savvy play calling. Carnell Lake will find it easier to reign Thomas in...then if he had to light a fire under him. With good coaching, Thomas could shut down portions of the field.
6th Round: OLB Michael Mauti of Penn State. 6'2 235
Here is where we can afford to gamble. Mauti has an extensive history of injuries and some scouts will pass on him due to a feeling that he might not be durable enough for the NFL. The Steelers can take a chance with a 6th reound pick and if it pans out they will have a player that posseses 1st round talent. Mauti is a high character...high motor...team leader. Mauti ranked in the top 10 in the Big Ten in tackles, interceptions, and forced fumbles.
7th Round: Quarterback Collin Klein of Kansas State. 6'5 226
Klein is a nimble QB with an accurate arm. He makes defenses suffer if they give him a running lane. He combined for 40 TD's in 2011 and 37 TD's this past year. He connected on 66.2% of his passes but does have a weird throwing motion that may have to be corrected. Cerebral player who generally makes good decisions. His accuracy suffers on longer throws but Haleys offense is built around the short and intermediate passes.
Lots of big names on that. Can't help but like it. Love the Klein call. I'm not someone who is a big fan of the "develop" a young backup quarterback philosophy but I wouldn't mind bringing him to camp at all. Most of those players have pretty big reputations. Not a guy I don't like there.
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Seven
Lots of big names on that. Can't help but like it. Love the Klein call. I'm not someone who is a big fan of the "develop" a young backup quarterback philosophy but I wouldn't mind bringing him to camp at all. Most of those players have pretty big reputations. Not a guy I don't like there.
Mauti is the player on that list that worries me the most. But like I said,there is a real lack of quality 3/4 OLB's anywhere past round 2. Who knows, maybe we look in free agency if we can free up some cap space. One OLB that we could get in the later rounds, other than Mauti, that I am at least intrigued about is Lerentee McCray of Florida....but I need to look at more tape on him.
Id also add Alexander Ogletree is still available in Round 3, He would be worth a look into moving to OLB.
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Id also add Alexander Ogletree is still available in Round 3, He would be worth a look into moving to OLB.
All the talk i hear about Alec is that he is projected as a mid first round pick. The dude can fly. For an ILB he can really get after the QB. I am worried he would be off the board before the steelers pick in the first round.
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atlsteelers
All the talk i hear about Alec is that he is projected as a mid first round pick. The dude can fly. For an ILB he can really get after the QB. I am worried he would be off the board before the steelers pick in the first round.
I agree that he is an interesting prospect....but I still show him as a late 2nd rounder/early 3rd rounder. I havent seen him mentioned as a first rounder yet, but its still early.
Here is an interesting scenerio.
Our first round pick (#17) is worth 950 poinits on the trade value chart.
4 teams in the top 8 are looking for a QB, and may need to trade up from the second round to grab one mid way through the first. They would have to trade us their 2nd and 3rd round...plus a 3rd next year for our slot. (Thats the most likely trade offer)
TONS of value in that trade. We could then grab...
2nd: ILB Minter
2nd: Safety Vaccaro
3rd: OLB Ogletree
3rd: RB Bell
4th: WR Robinson
5th: Safety Thomas
5th: CB Alford
6th: DE Steinkuhler
7th: QB Klein
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Id upgrade the receiver in the 3rd and target Jamie Collins for OLB, Robinson is bigger gamble than Taamu
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We have gambled twice in recent memory, on quarterback turned wide receiver...one from Georgia and one from Indiana. Both ripened out very well.
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LLT
We have gambled twice in recent memory, on quarterback turned wide receiver...one from Georgia and one from Indiana. Both ripened out very well.
very true I like the gambler mentality myself
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LLT
I agree that he is an interesting prospect....but I still show him as a late 2nd rounder/early 3rd rounder. I havent seen him mentioned as a first rounder yet, but its still early.
no way Ogletree falls all the way to late second/early third...his stock has fallen a little bit because of disciplinary issues and a failed drug test, but I'll be stunned if he isn't selected in the first round
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Good stuff LLT.....I don't follow college football so this is always fun to read up to draft time!
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last year a kid named Burfict was slated as a first round talent and went undrafted due to having some " issues" and coupled that with a poor showing at the combine .... The Bengals grabbed him up and he started all season and played pretty well I might add .... cost vs performance he may have been the top rookie in the class if you look at it in that manner ...
just saying slides happen all the time and not always because of documented stuff sometimes it is just rumors ... Dan Marino ( coke head rumor fell from top 5-10 selection to 27th or so can't recall for certain and not gonna look it up ) some slides are far larger than others ... Personally I never seen Ogletree as a first round talent in this draft ... most sites even have him as a 2nd to 3rd round guy ( at least the ones I have looked at ) and to me that is where his talent level suggests he should go he is probably the 5th best ILB in this draft and you normally get 2 -3 max per round come off the board at that pos in most drafts that would place him somewhere between the 2nd and 3rd round ..
1) Te'o
2) Nico Johnson
3) Skov
4) Minter
5) Ogletree
that's how I see it shaking out in order of how they come off the board but ...That is just my opinion , come April we all find out Skovs health will play a large part he could go up or down a spot
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Dwinsgames
last year a kid named Burfict was slated as a first round talent and went undrafted due to having some " issues" and coupled that with a poor showing at the combine .... The Bengals grabbed him up and he started all season and played pretty well I might add .... cost vs performance he may have been the top rookie in the class if you look at it in that manner ...
just saying slides happen all the time and not always because of documented stuff sometimes it is just rumors ... Dan Marino ( coke head rumor fell from top 5-10 selection to 27th or so can't recall for certain and not gonna look it up ) some slides are far larger than others ... Personally I never seen Ogletree as a first round talent in this draft ... most sites even have him as a 2nd to 3rd round guy ( at least the ones I have looked at ) and to me that is where his talent level suggests he should go he is probably the 5th best ILB in this draft and you normally get 2 -3 max per round come off the board at that pos in most drafts that would place him somewhere between the 2nd and 3rd round ..
1) Te'o
2) Nico Johnson
3) Skov
4) Minter
5) Ogletree
that's how I see it shaking out in order of how they come off the board but ...That is just my opinion , come April we all find out Skovs health will play a large part he could go up or down a spot
Burfict is a good example. He played very well for the Bengals this year, I remember him in on several plays against us. If we can get this Ogletree kid in a later round, that would be great. ILB seems to be our greatest need besides safety.
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We have gambled twice in recent memory, on quarterback turned wide receiver...one from Georgia and one from Indiana. Both ripened out very well.
3 times if you count " Slash" they just did not keep him there ( when they probably should have )