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McCarthy credits Tomlin for helping Cowboys win the game
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Sigh.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
Pre-timeout Beanie Bishop was isolated one on one with CeeDee Lamb.
Anyone want to guess how that would’ve gone?
The timeout was a good decision. You could see some of the Steelers DBs frantically pointing out the bad match up.
Sure, but why on Earth was Beanie isolated on Lamb to begin with?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Not suggesting it was Tomlin's fault, but come on, how does that happen in that moment of the game?
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Originally Posted by SteeleReign
I am not a knowledgeable person on football strategy, but it seems to me there are two teams who are trying find the best matchups for their own players. So, sometimes the other team finds a way to get a matchup you were not expecting. I think it happens quite often to good teams too.
Because he’s the slot corner and Lamb was in the slot?Quote:
Originally Posted by SteeleReign
Turns out to not matter. Tolbert cooked Bishop on the play anyway.
wasn't that DeShon Elliott in coverage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Yeah, true. I guess I don't understand why you allow the offense to dictate that match up at that point in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
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They didn’t. That’s why you take the timeout.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteeleReign
The other team gets a vote in all this too.
I’ve got a hard time believing Eliot was the primary coverage there. He starts at the back post and then ends up at the front pylon.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
Bishop takes like 3-4 steps inside, gets caught in traffic and then tries to get back on Tilbert’s hip.
Either he was supposed to take the crosser as he came through and he was late getting there or it could’ve been Eliot’s man and Bishop saw disaster unfolding.
Based on the rest of the game and the Colts game; I’m going to just assume Bishop screed up.
Entirely possible and even likely I’ve got it wrong. Could be it was man and the coverage got picked off in the traffic. But Bishop has been wrong/late before in handling guys crossing into his area. I’m just assuming the Cowboys got him again.
That’s just a fabricated story…lol. That’s just football. No one credits anyone in that situation. [emoji23]
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
It’s become this thing that there’s some secret time management issue every close NFL game.
It’s not true. It is because it is easy to explain and fill air time. You don’t have to know anything to safely nod and be like “36 seconds is more seconds than 26! Clearly those 10 seconds were the key issue”.
Well, no, there were 59 other minutes that took place as well. And all of those are relevant and important as well.
Even if you want to boil it down to one play; was the team in man or zone or a blend of the two? Did they rush or drop into coverage? What were the Cowboys trying to do? Was there things that took place earlier in the game that led each team to the calls and alignments they presented on the final play? Was it just a great play and no one did anything wrong but some amazing athlete just made an amazing play?
But all that’s both hard to work through and difficult to explain so, instead, these chuckle sticks just go with “derrrrr…timeout bad…..coaching……works in Madden…..”
What about when a coach tries to ice a kicker? Do they go out and say, well he called a timeout and we had a feeling the kicker was going to miss it but the time out helped him visualize the kick more and he made it for the win.
Saleh is out for the Jets
Solid decision there.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
Let Rodgers come in and be a toxic man-baby. Then fire the coach and keep the old, fading QB who is too stubborn to change anything he does, even in the face of it not working.
The pick 6 by Van Ginkel last week? Rodgers has a tendency....blitz and he throws hot to a slant behind it. Vikings baited him to throwing hot, and Van Ginkel nabbed it for a score. But....sure.....can Saleh and it will get better.....
Maybe make Hackett the interim! LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Somebody mentioned Vrabel as a possible replacement. That's a pretty good idea, IMO.
They retained Hackett as OC, Ulbrich is the face of the interim HC. HC is really Aaron Rodgers.
Nailed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Got someone in there that will kowtow to Rodgers and not cause a stink.
Just a terrible decision. If I was every other player on that roster besides Rodgers and Lazard, I would want out.
Mangini/Favre version TWO point O!
There is one similarity between Tomlin and Cowher. They both scare their young QBs into just managing the game. So this isn't something new.
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for the fire Tomlin crowd .....
I mean I have been saying he has no branches on his tree for a long time , most dont seem to care
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Because it's pretty much irrelevant. Look at Belichick's "tree" and the largely spectacular fashion in which they all faceplanted once they left New England. By and large, they weren't even mediocre HCs, they just downright sucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
Read more: Why has the Bill Belichick coaching tree produced such imperfect fruit?Quote:
...Ten men who worked under Belichick have landed full-time head coaching jobs in the NFL. Only two have a career record above .500: Al Groh (who went 9-7 in his one season with the New York Jets in 2000) and Bill O’Brien (who went 52-48 before the Houston Texans fired him in 2020).
The group has a cumulative record of 219-306-2. Four of them — Romeo Crennel, Joe Judge, Matt Patricia, and McDaniels — won fewer than 38 percent of the NFL games they coached. Over 36 combined NFL seasons, the 10 members of Belichick’s coaching tree have six playoff appearances and only three postseason wins.
There are lots of valid criticisms of Tomlin out there, but his lack of a coaching "tree" really isn't one of them.
Haley, Arians, Munchak, Flores. Those names are better than anything Belichick has put out there. Might be better than anything Andy Reid has put out there.
In all reality, there’s two maybe three coaching trees in the history of the NFL. Parcells and Walsh.
Tomlin doesn’t hire young coaches…his coaches are usually established.
Do I have to post the chart again? You can take every single NFL coach back to like 4 guys. It all depends on where you start/stop.
It is a nonsense argument used to fill time by folks in need of NFL content.
I agree this criticism is nonsense, but it's not like those guys were young coaches who Tomlin brought in to teach them his system and then other teams hired them to learn Tomlin's system which is the only kind of tree branching I think should count.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
I'm more concerned about the rotting trunk of Tomlin's tree than about the branches.
ShulaQuote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Aside from Haley and LeBeau, Tomlin’s coordinators have been below par. Flores was here one year, so he doesn't really count. A tree is not really necessary to be successful. I think Schottenheimer had more of a tree than Chuck Noll, just shows the irrelevance of having a tree.
The tree is irrelevant. Tomlin hires older coaches to start with
, so inevitably, people will say they don’t count towards his tree…
They don't count if the coaches are already established at what they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Then the argument is moot as Tomlin only hires veteran coaches. When has he ever hired a guy that wasn’t established? He hires guys with plenty of experience. So naturally, he’s not going to have a “tree”.
If he did hire younger coaches, then people would complain that he’s hiring people with no experience.
If he hired Klint Kubiak as an OC, would that eventually count or does Shanghai get credit for that? Where’s the line?
https://i.redd.it/wkll48g4d6ia1.png
I don’t know if it will work on here.
But it is by far my favorite image for this.
It’s all one tree.
The Sid Gillman tree is also good. Noll is in both trees
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I think if you once drove by Shanahan’s house you become part of his tree.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
How many times has 'coaching tree' come up in just this thread alone?
Who hires the most coaches?
Owners of bad teams. Often frustrated and desperate owners who want an immediate turnaround not a multiple year plan to build a structure for sustained long term success.
So they hire guys from whatever is hot across the league. Right now that's guys somehow related to Fangio or Shanahan.
Meanwhile, the Chiefs just keep winning and no one is hiring those guys anymore because Nagy flamed out and doing what the Chiefs are doing requires a stable organization and a detailed plan.
Quick fixes are what bad owners want.
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How bout that Belichick tree?! Better to have no tree than one that bad.
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Belichick Tree?