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Kordell had no business being a pocket passer, Once he stopped being slash he went downhill,
as far as coaches, when the Steelers do part ways with Tomlin there are a lot of up and coming coordinators out there, offensive and defensive, Bienemy, Bowles, leftwich, kingsbury….
Why because he’s right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
McAfee is right that the Steelers fans are spoiled compared to most other franchises.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
McAfee never criticizes any NFL players or coaches though. Softball "journalism." His default will always be to shelter NFL personnel from criticism.
Tomlin: Success is measured in winning super bowls.
McAfee: Yinz are spoiled! Yinz can't hold Tomlin to his own standard!
no, aside from his foul mouth (he’s supposed to be a talk show host not a guy at a bar) he’s totally not right. Fans have a right to complain about underperforming and losing to teams we obviously should not be losing to. our playoff record last eleven years has been 3-6. Chuck Nolls 80’s team which many of us regard as a down era was 2-4 in the playoffs between 81-89.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
How many HOFers did Noll have on that team -aside from an older John Stallworth? Noll was forced out in 90’. Although his postseason performance hasn’t been much better with much more talent Tomlin is still around. I’m not saying fire him now, but I certainly understand the frustration and his tenure is getting stale
That’s just it…he’s not a talk show host. He’s a cocky ex-punter with a microphone and claims to be no more than that…well maybe a wwf announcer too…Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
We Steelers fans can complain all we want but we are spoiled when it comes to the general NFL fan…very spoiled…lol. Which is a good thing as far as I’m concerned.
Imagine the outrage right now had Tomlin made the call that Harbaugh did with the same result…
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Definitely.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
I am just waiting for all the Steeler fans that like to say things like "Tomlin never has his team motivated to play", "Tomlin always has his teams underprepared", "Tomlin is wasting all this talent and losing with it"...to come out and explain how the Steelers defeated the Ravens with several players that fans had to google who they were, like #57, #77, #25.
A few have started to try. Something along the lines of the Steelers didn't beat the Ravens but the Ravens gave the game away. Other nonsensical ramblings about needing to bully teams tends to follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
I can't believe it looks like I am going to have to eat all of my words about Witherspoon. Not only did he look more than useless, he looked like he deserves another chance to start. Unbelievable.
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A few have started to try. Something along the lines of the Steelers didn't beat the Ravens but the Ravens gave the game away. Other nonsensical ramblings about needing to bully teams tends to follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
I can't believe it looks like I am going to have to eat all of my words about Witherspoon. Not only did he look more than useless, he looked like he deserves another chance to start. Unbelievable.
this thread and all the others like it ......
the Fire Tomlin crowd is VOCAL at every loss at why he should go ....
The Your crazy to fire Tomlin crowd is VOCAL at every win as to why you are wrong .....
I can see logic in both sides but knowing the team he has a few more seasons or mediocrity left in him before they force him out like they did Noll and B.A. and Lebeau ..........
Let’s be honest, if we had the same number of injuries the Ravens have, we would be winless
Lol... Guilty, I had no idea who any of those guys wereQuote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
If the Penguins won more games last year, they would have been Stanley Cup Champions. If I had the correct lottery numbers, I would be a millionaire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotorhead
I dont get how posing alternate reality situations, furthers any topic, other than to try to make a point that is not present reality.
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It took me 20 seconds to remember that they signed Leglue to the active roster and remember he was 77. I too had to look up #57, because I thought John Fiala looked a lot bigger than he used to. :wink02:Quote:
Originally Posted by vasteeler
if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle :chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotorhead
I was stating the plainly obvious fact that the Ravens are dealing with far more injuries than we are currently and have a better record. This moves the conversation on coaching forward by showing how a different successful coach can affect a team. I thought that was pretty obvious, but I apparently needed to spell it out for some here . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
Also, half the posts on this board don’t move any conversation forward, including your response.
Not really. The Ravens injuries have been a lot of RB, so you just keep finding the next best RB to fill in. Ronnie Stanley goes down and they just move veteran LT Villanueva over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotorhead
Can point to a lot of Steelers injuries this season that have limited their starters and reserves. JuJu, AluAlu, Tuitt, Hassenauer, Haden, Spillane, Dotson..... Its next man up and you coach the guys that you have on gameday. The fact that the Steelers just beat the Ravens and have defensive sub packages involving Maulet, Witherspoon and Norwood, while elevating practice squadders like Leglue, Tuszka and Adams to get significant playing time, shows some coaching skill to win with 3rd string players.
Yet despite supposedly vastly superior coaching to the Steelers, the Ravens have all of 4 playoff appearances in the last 8 years (2013-20), have a 2-4 playoff record during that span and haven't gotten past the divisional round since "God's Linebacker" was still on the team almost a decade ago...
This reminds of back in 2010 when everyone was praising the Packers for winning the Super Bowl with the most players on IR. The thing was, most of those players were backups (or third string). It certainly hurt their depth, but there weren’t many starters missing games.
The Ravens just lost Humphrey for the season. (It’s why Harbaugh went for two… because, DJ would have eaten the backup corner for dinner.) The loss of Humphrey HURTS, because IMO, Humphrey is the best overall corner in the entire league.
Meh…nowadays that’s questionable…Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire Goodell
Post. Of. The. Week!!! :applaudit:Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Nowadays your aunt doesn't need a dick to become your uncle. She just has to identify as your uncle and it is so.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
time for a new coach, tomlin and his flunkie coordinators have had enough chances to right this ship
Well said....I concurQuote:
Originally Posted by Fire Goodell
Either Tomlin fires the coordinators or the whole group goes. Rooney’s need to step in and make it happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire Goodell
Both. Honestly Every good coach leaves their 'stamp' on a team somehow and creates their identity. Usually they're a coach that coaches up x's and o's or physicality. What identity do Tomlin teams have? IMO since he's taken over the team has gotten softer and has had a habit of showing up to games ridiculously unprepared. Something has to change but honestly the kind of problems this team has is coming from upstairs. The Steelers won't win another championship with Tomlin as the HC. He's overrated and has been riding Ben's coat tails for his entire career.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Man this felt like Ben trying to bail out Tomlin and his staff
i know he just wanted the win but it looked like a bail out of ineptitude . Ben’s got to be frustrated after this game
Golden Oldie, going back to December 30th of 2015
So yeah, same shit, different decadeQuote:
Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
The coordinators are not the problem. Dick Lebeau was one of the best DC ever and Bruce Arians has had tremendous success as a HC.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
The team's identity has always been the same under Tomlin. He has always favored "weapons" at the expense of the OL since the 2008 draft.
Tomlin has never cared about the run. Anything out of the FO demanding a running game is from Rooney.
Tomlin's base defense is the nickel. He got rid of the 2 gap system and 4-3. (Other teams did too just saying)
Tomlin has run the offense out of shotgun almost his entire tenure. Lead blocking is gone. Runs are often draws that don't fool anyone.
You can keep changing coordinators but this is Tomlin's team. It won't change.
Ben was frustrated, I am pretty sure he told the coaches to F off and just took over the offense and almost won the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
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Originally Posted by Rotorhead
I think that's the most pissed off I ever saw Ben. It was a complete shitshow in the first half. Screwups everywhere, and for much of that game...he was struggling to catch nearly every snap. The interception when Johnson quit on the route.
Even Aikman said he thought Ben was holding it together better than he would have.
To anyone paying attention, Ben held that whole thing together, and demonstrated the will to win for 60 minutes. He showed why he's a HOF quarterback. I hope his entire team was paying attention, because that's what it takes to be great.
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by pczach
I’m not quite sure what the hell Green was doing 3/4 of the game. Terrible snaps throughout the whole game, times where he just didn’t snap the ball. I can understand once, but he didn’t snap it a few times and one time probably should’ve been a delay of game penalty but wasn’t. The O-Line wasn’t this bad with Mahan in there…lol.