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12-09-2019, 04:07 PM
AtlantaDan

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

This site projects the 2020 LB Franchise tag to be $16.26 million - https://overthecap.com/franchise-tra...d-rfa-tenders/

Looking at this table: https://overthecap.com/position/3-4-outside-linebacker/

If you can get Dupree to put his name on a contract with a $12-16 million dollar annual value, you do it. In fact, if you could get Dupree to agree to something like this: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-ba...s-smith-16848/ that might be a best case scenario. It gives you an out after 2 seasons and the big money is really in a garbage year that you have no intention of letting Dupree get to anyways.

Now, if the Steelers internal player evaluation process/models says that 2019 Dupree is a flash in the pan and not based on repeatable variables, then let him walk.

Based on your link below to OLB contracts some fool team will offer him more than that for 5 years

Only benefit is Clowney will be most teams first choice which takes out one team that will overpay

https://overthecap.com/position/3-4-outside-linebacker/
12-09-2019, 04:12 PM
El-Gonzo Jackson

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by HollywoodSteel

Does that mean his agent does all the work and Bud just comes in at the last second to sign it?

I think they put a pen in Bud's hand and his agent accidentally bumps the contract into it, making a mark that is considered to be legally binding for the contract.

Or TJ Watt makes a crazy contract demand and frightens Khan over to where Bud is in order to give him a new contract first, where he happens to be standing next to a TE or RB...but definitely not an O lineman.
12-09-2019, 05:15 PM
Mojouw

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by AtlantaDan

Based on your link below to OLB contracts some fool team will offer him more than that for 5 years

Only benefit is Clowney will be most teams first choice which takes out one team that will overpay

https://overthecap.com/position/3-4-outside-linebacker/

True on both counts.

My hope is that Dupree and his agent are smart enough to understand how this all works on the field as well. His most likely path to statistical success and playing out whatever contract he signs is not by signing with a bad team and flaming out as the "guy" in their pass rush (hey there, Trey Flowers.) but to stay in Pittsburgh and be a well compensated piece of a successful puzzle.

But that isn't very likely.
12-09-2019, 06:43 PM
86WARD

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by Fire Goodell

STUD Dupree

Lol...What took so long???
12-09-2019, 06:55 PM
steelreserve

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

Lol...What took so long???

Dupree did, that's what.
12-09-2019, 07:22 PM
Steeldude

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

You'd trade him for a 7th round pick, right?

That didn't answer the question. Why so scared?
12-09-2019, 07:35 PM
Hawkman

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by Steeldude

That didn't answer the question. Why so scared?

Your question was already answered.....in detail.
12-09-2019, 08:23 PM
Shoes

Re: Bud Dupree

Dupree has surely improved and I find it hard to believe that the Steelers would let him walk unless he has an outrageous bottom line. The Defense is working now and will only improve. I think the contract year has something to do with his motor kicking in, but more than that I think he really enjoys playing with Watt.
12-09-2019, 08:40 PM
DesertSteel

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by Steeldude

That didn't answer the question. Why so scared?

I already said I’d franchise him, which is expected to be about $16M.

Scared? Of what?
12-10-2019, 12:15 PM
HollywoodSteel

Re: Bud Dupree

They still haven’t credited Dupree with his last dong sack. Right now they are calling it a team sack, which is weird. Hopefully they fix it and Bud will have 10.5 for the season. That would be the first time we have 2 guys with double digit sacks since Harrison and Woodley almost 10 years ago.

If Cam gets 2 more sacks this year we’ll have 3 guys with double digit sacks for the first time ever.
12-10-2019, 02:15 PM
Squeegee Thompson

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by HollywoodSteel

They still haven’t credited Dupree with his last dong sack. Right now they are calling it a team sack, which is weird. Hopefully they fix it and Bud will have 10.5 for the season. That would be the first time we have 2 guys with double digit sacks since Harrison and Woodley almost 10 years ago.

If Cam gets 2 more sacks this year we’ll have 3 guys with double digit sacks for the first time ever.

Hopefully they don't. Bud is putting up the kind of numbers that's going to make it really hard to resign him. Somebody like Atlanta who can't seem to get within the same area code as the quarterback will throw a stoopid amount of money at Dupree and that'll be that. The lower the sack totals, the lower his price tag will be and maybe we can keep him. I never would've said this a year ago, but I want that guy lining up outside for us next year.
12-10-2019, 02:29 PM
BlackAndGold

Re: Bud Dupree

I expect he'll be a Steeler next season. If no long term deal is reached, he'll get tagged, so at the very least they'll keep the defense together(minus Hargrave) one more season to make a run with Ben at QB.

This team understands the value of an elite pass rush.
12-10-2019, 02:31 PM
Fire Goodell

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Thompson

Hopefully they don't. Bud is putting up the kind of numbers that's going to make it really hard to resign him. Somebody like Atlanta who can't seem to get within the same area code as the quarterback will throw a stoopid amount of money at Dupree and that'll be that. The lower the sack totals, the lower his price tag will be and maybe we can keep him. I never would've said this a year ago, but I want that guy lining up outside for us next year.

Even if they're all dong sacks? :chuckle:
12-10-2019, 02:39 PM
Squeegee Thompson

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by Fire Goodell

Even if they're all dong sacks? :chuckle:

Hoping for more of those Murray sacks where he scrambles right into the OLB and gets himself de-cleated.
12-10-2019, 02:46 PM
DesertSteel

Re: Bud Dupree

Bud Dupree will be a Steeler in 2020.
12-10-2019, 03:03 PM
HollywoodSteel

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Thompson

Hopefully they don't. Bud is putting up the kind of numbers that's going to make it really hard to resign him. Somebody like Atlanta who can't seem to get within the same area code as the quarterback will throw a stoopid amount of money at Dupree and that'll be that. The lower the sack totals, the lower his price tag will be and maybe we can keep him. I never would've said this a year ago, but I want that guy lining up outside for us next year.

I hear you, but it’s past the point of hiding him from the rest of the NFL. He has 9.5 sacks even without that one. He’s gonna hit double dong digits no matter what.

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

Bud Dupree will be a Steeler in 2020.

At least for part of 2020. Lol
12-10-2019, 03:41 PM
steelreserve

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by HollywoodSteel

They still haven’t credited Dupree with his last dong sack. Right now they are calling it a team sack, which is weird.

"Team sack" is like the league-recognized statistical way of saying "dong sack." It's official!
12-10-2019, 06:08 PM
Craic

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by Steeldude

So how much to pay him? $15 mil a season?

$15 million would make him the seventh highest paid linebacker in the NFL this year. So, if he would accept that, and it included a base (that is, signing bonus and salary) of say, 5 million (puts him tied for 42nd); then, put some easy to medium risers in that he could meet if he is a little above average and available for another 5 million (roster bonuses, something like games played bonus or snapcount bonuses in light of his past with injuries, and so on), which puts him around 20th highest paid; and the final five for medium to hard-to-reach bonuses, then yes. Absolutely.

However, I think Steelreserve has the right of it. Basically give him a 1-year, 15 million dollar contract in the franchise tag and see if he can perform at the same level two years in a row. If he can, they go ahead and pay the man. If he can't, then we have our answer and we walk away with no long-term harm.
12-10-2019, 09:00 PM
steelreserve

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by Craic

However, I think Steelreserve has the right of it. Basically give him a 1-year, 15 million dollar contract in the franchise tag and see if he can perform at the same level two years in a row. If he can, they go ahead and pay the man. If he can't, then we have our answer and we walk away with no long-term harm.

As an added bonus, I think we have also stumbled across the definition of a dong contract here. So it really fits the situation.

Shit though, you know what else this reminded me of? I am going to have to go back through my post history from like a year and a half ago, because I am pretty sure I said something like if Dupree had double-digit sacks, I'd have a railroad car full of dogshit delivered to my house and roll around in it every day for a month. Maybe it was a sea container full of dogshit. Whatever it is, it's not good. Hoping he drops into coverage a lot for the next few games.
12-10-2019, 09:08 PM
Craic

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by steelreserve

As an added bonus, I think we have also stumbled across the definition of a dong contract here. So it really fits the situation.

Shit though, you know what else this reminded me of? I am going to have to go back through my post history from like a year and a half ago, because I am pretty sure I said something like if Dupree had double-digit sacks, I'd have a railroad car full of dogshit delivered to my house and roll around in it every day for a month. Maybe it was a sea container full of dogshit. Whatever it is, it's not good. Hoping he drops into coverage a lot for the next few games.

:lol:

I'm going to have to deep-dive into your posts.
12-10-2019, 09:14 PM
pczach

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by steelreserve

As an added bonus, I think we have also stumbled across the definition of a dong contract here. So it really fits the situation.

Shit though, you know what else this reminded me of? I am going to have to go back through my post history from like a year and a half ago, because I am pretty sure I said something like if Dupree had double-digit sacks, I'd have a railroad car full of dogshit delivered to my house and roll around in it every day for a month. Maybe it was a sea container full of dogshit. Whatever it is, it's not good. Hoping he drops into coverage a lot for the next few games.

Did you also say anything about having anal sex with Tom Brady if Dupree had double-digit sacks? That would be poetic justice.
12-10-2019, 09:44 PM
GoSlash27

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by pczach

Did you also say anything about having anal sex with Tom Brady if Dupree had double-digit sacks? That would be poetic justice.

Well, that would depend on who's pitching and who's catching. :bananadoggywow:

I just wanted an excuse to use that emoji.
12-10-2019, 10:54 PM
Craic

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by GoSlash27

Well, that would depend on who's pitching and who's catching. :bananadoggywow:

I just wanted an excuse to use that emoji.

Every time I see that I think of HTG. I still remember her being ticked pink that emoji.
12-10-2019, 11:44 PM
Shoes

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by steelreserve

As an added bonus, I think we have also stumbled across the definition of a dong contract here. So it really fits the situation.

Shit though, you know what else this reminded me of? I am going to have to go back through my post history from like a year and a half ago, because I am pretty sure I said something like if Dupree had double-digit sacks, I'd have a railroad car full of dogshit delivered to my house and roll around in it every day for a month. Maybe it was a sea container full of dogshit. Whatever it is, it's not good. Hoping he drops into coverage a lot for the next few games.

That does ring a bell. I seem to remember a water tanker and a train also, but that may have been another player or coach. :lol:
12-11-2019, 07:32 AM
GoSlash27

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by Craic

Every time I see that I think of HTG. I still remember her being ticked pink that emoji.

:drink: I'll raise a glass to HTG. She personally rescued me from SFF. I miss her.
12-11-2019, 07:57 AM
teegre

Re: Bud Dupree

Sooo, steelreserve is moving to Detroit...???
12-11-2019, 04:46 PM
Hawkman

Re: Bud Dupree

A lot happens around here after 8 o’clock on a Tuesday night. :heh::heh:
12-11-2019, 05:05 PM
steelreserve

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by pczach

Did you also say anything about having anal sex with Tom Brady if Dupree had double-digit sacks? That would be poetic justice.

Who would watch that? Jesus.

I'd rather shove a 40 bottle up my own ass - but who would watch that either.

I'll stick with the dogshit, thanks.
12-11-2019, 05:13 PM
pczach

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by steelreserve

Who would watch that? Jesus.

I'd rather shove a 40 bottle up my own ass - but who would watch that either.

I'll stick with the dogshit, thanks.

Watching it was never an option. Just knowing something that unspeakable could be a consequence of your reaction to Dupree exceeding your expectations is reward enough. :chuckle:
12-11-2019, 05:39 PM
HollywoodSteel

Re: Bud Dupree

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Originally Posted by Craic

$15 million would make him the seventh highest paid linebacker in the NFL this year. So, if he would accept that, and it included a base (that is, signing bonus and salary) of say, 5 million (puts him tied for 42nd); then, put some easy to medium risers in that he could meet if he is a little above average and available for another 5 million (roster bonuses, something like games played bonus or snapcount bonuses in light of his past with injuries, and so on), which puts him around 20th highest paid; and the final five for medium to hard-to-reach bonuses, then yes. Absolutely.

However, I think Steelreserve has the right of it. Basically give him a 1-year, 15 million dollar contract in the franchise tag and see if he can perform at the same level two years in a row. If he can, they go ahead and pay the man. If he can't, then we have our answer and we walk away with no long-term harm.

I think the tag might be a good idea, but for slightly different reasons.

I’m honestly not worried about Bud regressing. He is getting better. He’s not lazy. Barring injury, he’s now a proven commodity in my eyes.

I would be fine with giving him a long term deal, except that we might need the money for other players soon. So tagging him would essentially keep this defense together for another year to let Ben come back and try to win a super bowl with the best team possible. It also gives us another year to find Dupree’s replacement in the draft.

So for me it’s like holding open the window a little while longer with the best possible team. But if we can actually afford to give Dupree a long term deal without compromising our ability to pay our other guys who’ll need a contract soon (especially Watt) then I say make the deal.

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