FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

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Originally Posted by polamalubeast

If the steelers don't finish with a losing record this year, I believe Tomlin will never have a losing season in his career....He always finds a way to avoid a losing season even when things are ugly like in 2013,2019 when Ben was out after 2 games,last year when the steelers were horrible in almost every phase of football and if it happens again this year wow

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I think you might be over-reacting a bit.

The Steelers had one of the worst rush defenses by any measure in 2021. They have shored that up a great deal in 2022. In the past two weeks they have faced the #3 and #4 rushing offenses in the NFL. And it has looked not good. Considering where they came from, it is still a whole lot better than many expected. They have a long way to go to where they want to get to -- #1 rush defense in the league. But that takes more than one off-season likely.

For instance, in 1998 the team was 13th in rush yards on defense. In 1999 they were 26th in rush yards on defense. In 2000, they were 12th and in 2001 they were finally #1 again.

Can we stop with the emotional revision of history into a whole bunch of things that never happened?

The current team was 32nd last season and they are currently 15th. Keep improving and they should be better next season as well.

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

I think you might be over-reacting a bit.

The Steelers had one of the worst rush defenses by any measure in 2021. They have shored that up a great deal in 2022. In the past two weeks they have faced the #3 and #4 rushing offenses in the NFL. And it has looked not good. Considering where they came from, it is still a whole lot better than many expected. They have a long way to go to where they want to get to -- #1 rush defense in the league. But that takes more than one off-season likely.

For instance, in 1998 the team was 13th in rush yards on defense. In 1999 they were 26th in rush yards on defense. In 2000, they were 12th and in 2001 they were finally #1 again.

Can we stop with the emotional revision of history into a whole bunch of things that never happened?

The current team was 32nd last season and they are currently 15th. Keep improving and they should be better next season as well.

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They will be in the bottom 10 soon if they don't improve much for the rest of the year....The panthers,Raiders,Ravens and Browns have all great running game and not forget,the steelers have also a bottom 5 pass defense

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Originally Posted by polamalubeast

They will be in the bottom 10 soon if they don't improve much for the rest of the year....The panthers,Raiders,Ravens and Browns have all great running game and not forget,the steelers have also a bottom 5 pass defense

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Steelers are currently picking in the top 10 in the draft. I am honestly fine if they get the #5 pick this year as with the Bears pick from the Claypool trade, they can be possibly selecting 3 players in the top 40.

They dont have the talent right now and the next stage of the rebuild will happen in the spring. Its just part of the process of rebuilding. Feels like the 1980's again....cant wait until Zubaz pants come back!!

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Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson

Steelers are currently picking in the top 10 in the draft. I am honestly fine if they get the #5 pick this year as with the Bears pick from the Claypool trade, they can be possibly selecting 3 players in the top 40.

They dont have the talent right now and the next stage of the rebuild will happen in the spring. Its just part of the process of rebuilding. Feels like the 1980's again....cant wait until Zubaz pants come back!!

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It would be great if they have a top 10 pick!

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Originally Posted by polamalubeast

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That's a third of the league.

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

That's a third of the league.

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yes and the steelers are in this category right now

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Originally Posted by polamalubeast

yes and the steelers are in this category right now

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More than one way of looking at it. I don't consider them to be in the same category as the Lions, Redskins, Bears, Jets, et al.

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Originally Posted by polamalubeast

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Other than the Broncos, Panthers and Bears, those teams' arrows are pointing up further than the Steelers and all are further along in the "rebuilding process"...

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

More than one way of looking at it. I don't consider them to be in the same category as the Lions, Redskins, Bears, Jets, et al.

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Yeah....half those teams are now better than we are..... :(

Y'all letting Twitter trolls get you all riled up again.

Every time you get mad after reading a Fillmyponi tweet, he gets another jet ski.

Some of those teams haven't even made the playoffs recently. Some have. Context matters. Twitter does not do context. Fillmyponi couldn't spell context if you gave him all the letters in the right order.

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

Y'all letting Twitter trolls get you all riled up again.

Every time you get mad after reading a Fillmyponi tweet, he gets another jet ski.

Some of those teams haven't even made the playoffs recently. Some have. Context matters. Twitter does not do context. Fillmyponi couldn't spell context if you gave him all the letters in the right order.

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Exactly.

How many division titles and winning seasons have these franchises had since the oldest year mentioned in the tweet?

He would never mention that or ask that question because that isn't the point he's trying to make. He is just trying to stir shit up.

Poni just wants to be another mark madden. Typical clickbait

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

Other than the Broncos, Panthers and Bears, those teams' arrows are pointing up further than the Steelers and all are further along in the "rebuilding process"...

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Not sure if you mean that as a good thing or a bad thing....

The only roster I would want to magically take over as a GM from that list instead of the Steelers is the Jets or the Lions. Maybe the Panthers. The rest of major holes, massive cap issues, and/or lack of draft picks.

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Originally Posted by pepsyman1

Yeah....half those teams are now better than we are..... :(

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In the NFL, there are winning organizations and losing organizations - about 5-8 of each. Everyone else is in the middle. The Steelers are a winning organization.

P.s., I made bold the operative word in your statement.

We’re almost right there, this isn’t 1982.

a new OC here, an OT and DT there, an ILB who can stop the run via FA money, TJ fully recovers, suddenly our 5-8 record would be 8-5 at least, I don’t see why this can’t be done in one offseason.

I still think Tomlin eventually ends up on NFL today

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

Not sure if you mean that as a good thing or a bad thing....

The only roster I would want to magically take over as a GM from that list instead of the Steelers is the Jets or the Lions. Maybe the Panthers. The rest of major holes, massive cap issues, and/or lack of draft picks.

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Lions, Jets arrows are pointing way up…further than the Steelers.

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Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west

We’re almost right there, this isn’t 1982.

a new OC here, an OT and DT there, an ILB who can stop the run via FA money, TJ fully recovers, suddenly our 5-8 record would be 8-5 at least, I don’t see why this can’t be done in one offseason.

I still think Tomlin eventually ends up on NFL today

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Doesn’t help with the mess that is pass defense…

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

Doesn’t help with the mess that is pass defense…

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Improved pass rush should cover for the pass defense. Plus Wallace is banged up this year, he was supposed to be a big part of the pass defense.

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

Lions, Jets arrows are pointing way up…further than the Steelers.

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But will they implode before they reach their destination?!

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

Lions, Jets arrows are pointing way up…further than the Steelers.

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I mean maybe?

Mike White is a cool story and all, but he isn't a viable long-term solution at QB. Same with Goff. The Lions defense is a mess.

The biggest advantage the Lions have is the extra picks from the Stafford trade. I think KP's floor is about Goff. Other than that, both rosters have strengths and weaknesses.

Jets....still have to get a QB. Fix their o-line. Etc.

Every team has issues. And while the Jets and Lions are in a good spot....they aren't just lapping the rebuilding field.

I believe the Lions are heading in the right direction, although some improvement to their defense is needed.

I really like the Jets defense and I like their head coach (same thing for the Lions) but Zach Wilson's 2021 Jets draft pick is going to be a killer unfortunately, unless there is a spectacular turnaround for him

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Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west

Improved pass rush should cover for the pass defense. Plus Wallace is banged up this year, he was supposed to be a big part of the pass defense.

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Even when the pass rush was healthy, receivers were running wide open.

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

I mean maybe?

Mike White is a cool story and all, but he isn't a viable long-term solution at QB. Same with Goff. The Lions defense is a mess.

The biggest advantage the Lions have is the extra picks from the Stafford trade. I think KP's floor is about Goff. Other than that, both rosters have strengths and weaknesses.

Jets....still have to get a QB. Fix their o-line. Etc.

Every team has issues. And while the Jets and Lions are in a good spot....they aren't just lapping the rebuilding field.

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They are both ahead of the Steelers at this stage.

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

They are both ahead of the Steelers at this stage.

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Well considering that the Steelers are in Year 1 of a rebuild and the Jets and Lions are in, even conservatively, Year 2...I should certainly hope they are.

Plus...I am not sure they are ahead. If KP is as good as many think....the Steelers are ahead just by that one player alone. You don't have a QB....you don't have anything.

I don't think the rebuilding has started for the steelers, otherwise Kenny Pickett would have had a real chance to be the starter in week 1, but he had no chance

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Originally Posted by polamalubeast

I don't think the rebuilding has started for the steelers, otherwise Kenny Pickett would have had a real chance to be the starter in week 1, but he had no chance

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If that’s the case, then even more reason to be optimistic. They’ve not even started yet and their set for years at several positions!

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

If that’s the case, then even more reason to be optimistic. They’ve not even started yet and their set for years at several positions!

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I hope it started with the Claypool trade in mid season

Not a bad idea to trade players who aren't part of future plans of the team for draft picks....hopefully it will continue

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

If that’s the case, then even more reason to be optimistic. They’ve not even started yet and their set for years at several positions!

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My fear is that Tomlin will push to not rebuild and just "reload" which could easily mean several more 9-8 seasons . He's loyal to average players, I don't think he's willing to take a risk at a 7-10 season to get through the growing pains. I think lately it seems like there are some loser draft picks that seem to be his guys

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

Well considering that the Steelers are in Year 1 of a rebuild and the Jets and Lions are in, even conservatively, Year 2...I should certainly hope they are.

Plus...I am not sure they are ahead. If KP is as good as many think....the Steelers are ahead just by that one player alone. You don't have a QB....you don't have anything.

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Way ahead. Jets are missing a QB and maybe an OL. Running game is great, receivers are great. Maybe a TE. Defense is one of the best this season.

Lions could use a little help on defense and maybe a TE and WR now. Goff is good enough to get them to the next level before another QB comes in.