FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

The last 10 years, 20 years whatever, doesn’t matter. There was a glaring issue with this team last year and this year. Last year plenty thought it was on Ben, even when the evidence bore out that the only time we were effective was when Ben was calling his own plays. But the chorus was, “we need a mobile QB, Ben is too old, blah blah”. Here we are this season, same problems, only we don’t have Ben to bail the team out (if we did I imagine we would be tied for the division lead right now). It is obvious to everyone watching the Steelers that the OC is terrible. That is on Tomlin, period. He didn’t make the change after last season, and didn’t make it during the bye. If he doesn’t make it after this season, then he is the problem and has to go.

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I put zero stock in the preseason NFL pundit predictions. They are almost never correct or even close. Like I said, add up the wins they predict. Then look up the wins that are even possible based on the # of games in the NFL schedule. Often, the two numbers don't match up. These guys aren't grinding film in a basement somewhere learning about all these teams. They watch a couple of games on Sundays and form opinions. Basically like most of us here.

I think that a HC that annually gets his team to the playoffs is doing their job. The NFL playoffs are chaotic and largely hinged on chance, luck, and other uncontrollable things.

Again, stack his record up against anyone else's since he has entered the league. Who is doing it substantially better?

This is the current boogeyman lurking over everyone's shoulder: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...es/PaytSe0.htm -- the coach every owner is drooling over hiring.

Not exactly a playoff force...

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Why keep using the straw man of what pundits say? Coach Tomlin himself has stated "We play for Super Bowls" ad nauseam. That is the standard as defined by Tomlin himself and the Steelers are no where close.

Also too much whataboutism with other coaches. What does Don Shula have to do with anything and why do some posters get fixated on non-sequiturs? I don't get it.

Funny how every team with a HOF QB gets to the playoffs almost every year. Peyton Manning went to the Super Bowl with 4 different head coaches! Wow! He was so lucky to get all those great coaches! Hahahha

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why should he be judged on a performance over 10 years ago? His last 10 years is what's most relevant.

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Still doesn’t work. Lol. Same arguments can be made towards any single coach not named Belichick.

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Still doesn’t work. Lol. Same arguments can be made towards any single coach not named Belichick.

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There are kids in grade 1 that weren't alive the last time the Steelers won a playoff game. The last win was January 15th, 2017 and Obama was still President. It's been so long since the Steelers won a playoff game people were still using selfie sticks and fidget spinners. Conor McGregor was winning fights that's how long it has been. Aaron Hernandez was still alive. The Bengals and Browns hadn't won a playoff game since 1991 and 1994 respectively.

How many people will be like you in 2024 when the Steelers haven't won a playoff game in 9 seasons but just cling on to the past like it was a deceased loved one?

Ummmm....so let me get out my meaningless argument slide rule....

How many years between playoff wins is acceptable? 1? 4? Less than 9?

Also, how many playoff wins do you need? I have heard one and done is just a joke and doesn't count.

Many old legends warn that losing in the divisional round is embarrassing and the players should be ashamed. How accountable do I need to hold the coaching staff? Should I be sending anthrax or just firebombing their garage?

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There are kids in grade 1 that weren't alive the last time the Steelers won a playoff game.

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There are fans of 12 teams that have lived there entire lives without ever seeing one Super Bowl win! There are millions of people buried in the cemetery that never saw their team win a Super Bowl after following them for a lifetime.

Get over yourself.

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There are fans of 12 teams that have lived there entire lives without ever seeing one Super Bowl win! There are millions of people buried in the cemetery that never saw their team win a Super Bowl after following them for a lifetime.

Get over yourself.

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Imagine be fan of the Detroit Lions....1 Playoffs win since 1958!

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Imagine be fan of the Detroit Lions....1 Playoffs win since 1958!

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LOL! I know some Lions fans. They are pretty excited about Wolverine football right now.

I had an aunt and uncle that lived in the NOLA area. My uncle passed the summer before the Saints won the SB. That was one of the more confusing, bitter-sweet, how do I feel about this, moments of my life. Their entire apartment was decorated with Saints memorabilia dating all the way back to year 1. He was a true dyed in the wool fan that just never got his moment. (But at least he got to see my Steelers win #6)

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Imagine be fan of the Detroit Lions....1 Playoffs win since 1958!

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Yeah but the Steelers have kids in the 1st grade who haven't seen a playoff win! ROFL

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There are kids in grade 1 that weren't alive the last time the Steelers won a playoff game. The last win was January 15th, 2017 and Obama was still President. It's been so long since the Steelers won a playoff game people were still using selfie sticks and fidget spinners. Conor McGregor was winning fights that's how long it has been. Aaron Hernandez was still alive. The Bengals and Browns hadn't won a playoff game since 1991 and 1994 respectively.

How many people will be like you in 2024 when the Steelers haven't won a playoff game in 9 seasons but just cling on to the past like it was a deceased loved one?

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There are new borns that haven’t seen any playoff wins . . . This is probably the dumbest response I have read to date.

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Yeah but the Steelers have kids in the 1st grade who haven't seen a playoff win! ROFL

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Do kids in 1st grade even know what the playoffs is lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAWvvE9w6Po

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Also too much whataboutism with other coaches. What does Don Shula have to do with anything and why do some posters get fixated on non-sequiturs? I don't get it.

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Because you most likely are misapplying non-sequitur. In the context of how well a coach is doing, comparing that coach to another coach is far from a non-sequitur. Moreover, it's a valid comparison in that it tempers expectations and brings (most) fans back to reality. What is that reality?

Only one coach has won six SBs. One coach (Noll) won four SBs. Three have won two SBs. Nine have won two SBs. The expectation of winning a SB more than once with a head coach is foolish. Do not confuse "goal" with expectation.

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Yeah but the Steelers have kids in the 1st grade who haven't seen a playoff win! ROFL

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Oh.....the humanity!!!!!

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There are kids in grade 1 that weren't alive the last time the Steelers won a playoff game. The last win was January 15th, 2017 and Obama was still President. It's been so long since the Steelers won a playoff game people were still using selfie sticks and fidget spinners. Conor McGregor was winning fights that's how long it has been. Aaron Hernandez was still alive. The Bengals and Browns hadn't won a playoff game since 1991 and 1994 respectively.

How many people will be like you in 2024 when the Steelers haven't won a playoff game in 9 seasons but just cling on to the past like it was a deceased loved one?

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Still doesn’t change the fact that the same thing can be said about 30 other coaches. Lol.

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Because you most likely are misapplying non-sequitur. In the context of how well a coach is doing, comparing that coach to another coach is far from a non-sequitur. Moreover, it's a valid comparison in that it tempers expectations and brings (most) fans back to reality. What is that reality?

Only one coach has won six SBs. One coach (Noll) won four SBs. Three have won two SBs. Nine have won two SBs. The expectation of winning a SB more than once with a head coach is foolish. Do not confuse "goal" with expectation.

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That’s some solid thinking right there. You know this is the internet, right? That’s got no place here.

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Because you most likely are misapplying non-sequitur. In the context of how well a coach is doing, comparing that coach to another coach is far from a non-sequitur. Moreover, it's a valid comparison in that it tempers expectations and brings (most) fans back to reality. What is that reality?

Only one coach has won six SBs. One coach (Noll) won four SBs. Three have won two SBs. Nine have won two SBs. The expectation of winning a SB more than once with a head coach is foolish. Do not confuse "goal" with expectation.

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Don’t forget Gibbs. He won 3. I think he’s the best of them all.

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Ummmm....so let me get out my meaningless argument slide rule....

How many years between playoff wins is acceptable? 1? 4? Less than 9?

Also, how many playoff wins do you need? I have heard one and done is just a joke and doesn't count.

Many old legends warn that losing in the divisional round is embarrassing and the players should be ashamed. How accountable do I need to hold the coaching staff? Should I be sending anthrax or just firebombing their garage?

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It's hard to win playoff games every year particularly with free agency, and I have to remind myself of that sometimes. Over the past decade, I'm not sure there are that many teams that are consistently winning playoff games for several years in a row and going deep. I'm not looking up any stats on this, but my gut tells me that Kansas City and New England are the only ones in the AFC that fit this category over the last 10 years. In the NFC I think you have maybe San Fran, Green Bay, and Philadelphia as the only ones (...again, I may be wrong as this is just my thoughts off the top of my head and I did not look up their playoff records over the last decade...). Green Bay in particular has yet to make it back to the Super Bowl despite all those home field advantages they had.

I thought some of the Steelers squads would go deeper in some of those seasons since 2011, but they did not.

For me, and I realize not everyone thinks the same, Tomlin has never really lost a team during a season and has repeatedly been able to handle adversity and the ups and downs of the NFL. Players like playing for him and play hard from what I can tell. I think he does need a really strong offensive coordinator (which Canada is not) on his coaching staff to complement him, but I think as a head coach he has been stellar when you compare him overall to other NFL head coaches over the last decade.

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Don’t forget Gibbs. He won 3. I think he’s the best of them all.

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Thinking back, Gibbs doesn't get mentioned as much as some of the other great coaches. 3 Super Bowl Champions w/3 different QBs. Good defenses with alot of nobodies. Power running game but still passed alot.

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Thinking back, Gibbs doesn't get mentioned as much as some of the other great coaches. 3 Super Bowl Champions w/3 different QBs. Good defenses with alot of nobodies. Power running game but still passed alot.

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I wonder if that's because of his second three-year stint. Did it take some of the shine off the memory, perhaps?

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I wonder if that's because of his second three-year stint. Did it take some of the shine off the memory, perhaps?

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He was not the same coach and this is not easy to be a good coach once again when you were out of the NFL for over 10 years but it was not a disaster too....They make the playoffs twice in 4 years under Gibbs with a very below average team

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I wonder if that's because of his second three-year stint. Did it take some of the shine off the memory, perhaps?

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Look at Noll’s last years and Belichick without Brady. For me, he gets a pass on that short stint.

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He was not the same coach and this is not easy to be a good coach once again when you were out of the NFL for over 10 years but it was not a disaster too....They make the playoffs twice in 4 years under Gibbs with a very below average team

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with old as dirt Mark Brunell and Jason Campbell at QB.

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Ummmm....so let me get out my meaningless argument slide rule....

How many years between playoff wins is acceptable? 1? 4? Less than 9?

Also, how many playoff wins do you need? I have heard one and done is just a joke and doesn't count.

Many old legends warn that losing in the divisional round is embarrassing and the players should be ashamed. How accountable do I need to hold the coaching staff? Should I be sending anthrax or just firebombing their garage?

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"Many old legends"? Are you attacking Mean Joe again as a clout chaser? Haven't seen Joe around lately. Must be in his tiny Texas town not bothering people. :scratchchin:

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There are fans of 12 teams that have lived there entire lives without ever seeing one Super Bowl win! There are millions of people buried in the cemetery that never saw their team win a Super Bowl after following them for a lifetime.

Get over yourself.

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"Get over yourself" says the guy posing at the gym for his profile pic. How many people did you flip out on for walking in front of the camera while you were posing?

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Because you most likely are misapplying non-sequitur. In the context of how well a coach is doing, comparing that coach to another coach is far from a non-sequitur. Moreover, it's a valid comparison in that it tempers expectations and brings (most) fans back to reality. What is that reality?

Only one coach has won six SBs. One coach (Noll) won four SBs. Three have won two SBs. Nine have won two SBs. The expectation of winning a SB more than once with a head coach is foolish. Do not confuse "goal" with expectation.

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Listen, pedant, the Steelers winning Super Bowls is both their goal and expectation (at least rhetorically and ostensibly). In what world are a goal and expectation so far removed as to be impossible to conflate?

What really matters is what Knute Rockne said in 1930: One loss is good for the soul; too many is bad for the coach. What really matters to the Steelers of the 2020s is the ghosts of coaches. I get what you're saying. It's totally valid.

Check your facts at www.Google.com before posting here. Most of the facts you post are wrong and the others are pretty much irrelevant…

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Check your facts at www.Google.com before posting here. Most of the facts you post are wrong and the others are pretty much irrelevant…

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I have had one fact proven wrong. Ever. And most of you aren't smart enough yourselves to Google or you would know that.

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I have had one fact proven wrong. Ever. And most of you aren't smart enough yourselves to Google or you would know that.

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No. A simple search of just this website alone will prove that wrong.

Tomlin is getting outcoached by a nobody

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Tomlin is getting outcoached by a nobody

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Again…

Are we now talking about Arthur Smith as a nobody?

They guy that was the most desired offensive coordinator to head coach candidate a few season ago. They guy who made Ryan Tannehill? They guy who continually makes chicken salad out of the Falcons awful roster?

Seriously. Like I get you all really want to get rid of Tomlin. Cool, you do you. But to not regard Smith as a top offensive mind is just showing (this is my suspicion) that you do not watch much non-Steelers football.