Tomlin is a control freak and a bit insecure. I’m starting to believe that - that’s why they don’t bring anyone in worth a damn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotorhead
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Tomlin is a control freak and a bit insecure. I’m starting to believe that - that’s why they don’t bring anyone in worth a damn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotorhead
If an OC or potential OC has the option to work with Tomlin whose future could be in doubt or Sean McVay, they are most likely sticking (or choosing) the McVay situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
You are not attracting top OC candidates for several reasons recently with the Steelers:
1. Top offensive coaches are getting bumped (often right past coordinator) to Head Coach. That path is closed in Pittsburgh, so these candidates look elsewhere.
2. Few OC's were going to want to come and work with Ben during the tail of his prime and the rough twilight of his career. Look around the league....few established and high reputation OC's volunteer to go work with HOF caliber QBs at the end. At that point, the team is basically running the QB's offense and the OC doesn't have much input or say. That is why Hackett emerged in GB and has been kinda trash everywhere else. Unlike his prime years, when guess with the reputation of Haley and Arians were more than willing to come and work with a HOF QB.
3. It will be interesting if the potential of a "fresh start/clean slate" with KP in 2024 is enough to lure higher caliber offensive coaches or not. I suspect that it may be just enough to talk someone into it.
I'd disagree based on the fact that a bum like Canada got three years. Imagine the leash that a legit offense would provide. And if that team had a real offense, Tomlin wouldn't be going anywhere. The reality is that he's likely not going anywhere anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
I suspect that the future of Tomlin and his staff are linked to Pickett. They'll get next year to fix this mess, and if they don't, they'll find a new offensive-mined head coach and let him draft the QB of his choice in 2025.
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Just look at the start date of this thread. Almost 10 years ago. That tells you all you need to know about whether Tomlin is getting fired.
That is typically how the failure of first round darft picks taking down entire organizations plays out. I think it is a fairly solid prediction.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteeleReign
I'd hire Kurt Warner to be the OC next year. He has a brilliant offensive mind and seems to understand what Kenny does well and could design an offense around him. He might be ready for a change out of the analyst desk.
Does he have any interest in leaving the desk?
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Maybe as QB coach first?Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
I think we have seen the dangers inherent in hiring OC's with no NFL experience over the last several years.
I believe that Warner might have the capability to do the job and do it well. But to come up with an entire playbook, a strategy for installing and teaching it, and hire out his staff, all between say Feb. 1 and April? That is a big ask for someone with zero experience to lean on.
You raise valid points. But I'd take the chance by hiring an offensive senior analyst to assist. If he'd take the QBC position, I'd do it in a heartbeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
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Just an observation that he might be ready for a new challenge now that his kids are grown.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteeleReign
Got ya. I'd take him as QBC for sure, but I'm not sure the FO is married to KP as the future.
I'd prefer they let Tomlin and his crew ride out 2024 and see if they fix this mess.
If not, tear it down and start over. Coaches AND QB1.
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"And his crew" -- you don't mean keeping the same OC setup they have now do you??Quote:
Originally Posted by SteeleReign
I don't necessarily WANT them to, but if the FO have any thoughts about moving on from Tomlin, we'll likely see the same coordinators.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
Unless they hire an OC that they consider HC material in 2025 if things don't work out for Tomlin/Pickett next year.
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woooouw, thats an eye-opener... holy cow, ok guess we will see after next seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
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Very interesting article on Sean McDermott…I think some of this is what is happening in Pittsburgh in a similar form or fashion.
https://www.golongtd.com/p/the-mcder...m-part-i-blame
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Originally Posted by 86WARD
Sound familiar?Quote:
He’s described repeatedly as a “blamer.” Coaches see a boss who preaches accountability while taking none himself. As the Titanic inches toward an iceberg, this captain shoves passengers aside to secure his own lifeboat.
And McDermott just got the vote of confidence this afternoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
is the HC to blame if we only have 2 timeouts left in the 4th quarter? they seem to have a habit of burning timeouts unnecessarily in the 3rd / early 4Q and it comes back to bite them at the end of the game
We are in better shape than 83, where we had aging players from the dynasty with middle of the road draftees. We knew as fans the ride was over and it was going to be awhile before we got back on top. I remember thinking ten years and it actually took a little longer (till the 95 Super Bowl). What made the 80’s easier to handle was knowing we had our time of real dominance and enjoyed it as fans.
it’s easier to rebuild or reload now. I think we’d already be a playoff team on the rise if they gotten a good OC (and not made the Canada mistake) and maybe a better DC (Flores?). Coaching staff is where the Steelers are lacking. They’re behind the times there. As far as HC, every coach has a shelf life, its just time for a new HC to come in to go along with the new staff. Tomlin has had enough time, it’s obvious from the last few years and specially the last couple weeks, the Tomlin message is getting old.
Andy Reid got the boot in Philadelphia despite a Super Bowl appearance and multiple NFC Championships.
Mike McCarthy was axed in Green Bay despite a Super Bowl win.
Two Super Bowl wins were not enough to protect Tom Coughlin in New York.
The NFL is a "What have you done for me lately" league and glories of years ago can buy you so much time, especially when you disappointed as much as he has. Mike Tomlin is not immune or exempt. It's just what happens.
Well, the cutting of Johnny Unitas might have been a little worse...Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
why stop at Unitas? Letting go of Dawson, Earl Morral, not drafting Marino, maybe we’d better off with a blue chip center right now than Najee. Water under the bridge that doesn’t directly affect the teamQuote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
Hiring Canada on the other hand did directly delay/damage the reloading - quick rebuilding process. That decision has much wider implications on the team
How many coaches have those teams had since 1969? Comparing other team to the Steelers is an exercise in futility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edman
Not sure that’s actually true. Those teams back then were pretty bad. Not sure even Unitas could’ve made a difference there. If I remember correctly, the season they cut him Butch Marchibroda put up similar numbers. I could be wrong…I’m going off memory from the announcers talking about it in the mid 90s…lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
Late-season collapses not foreign to Steelers, coach Mike Tomlin
JOE RUTTER | Saturday, Dec. 9, 2023
https://triblive.com/sports/late-sea...h-mike-tomlin/
You put washed 40 year old quarterback like Joe Flaco who’s been sitting on the couch for months on a team with an offensive head coach and with a few practices he’s better than the entire Steelers quarterback room. It’s really disgusting this trash that Tomlin puts out there and calls a professional offense.
And the Browns are probably better with Flacco than with Watson.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
Flacco got super duper lucky.
Tons of turnovers. Guys fell down on key plays. The stats look good, but if I was prepping to play the Browns, I’d be giggling with glee at getting a shot at Flacco.
Watched a good deal of Lions/Bears, Jags/Browns, and Rams/Ravens.
Applying the standards from this thread for penalties, execution, and clock management - every single head coach involved in those games should be joining Tomlin at the unemployment line.
Yeah and Pickett and Trubisky are really unlucky. Funny how that works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Peterson is an idiot. You have to kick extra point there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
There’s no reasonable way that you watched that game and thought Flacco didnt get lucky. He had tons of short fields and his defense cleaned up every mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
He had a decent game that if his defense didn’t just kick butt would’ve been a loss.
He’s better than Trubisky. But who isnt?
I watched that whole game and reasonably thought that Flacco looked better than every qb start of the Steelers this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
And Danny Devito for the Giants and every other off the street free agent.
Better than the Steelers is a meaningless statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
They’ve gotten the worst QB play in the league.
Bad QBs mired in a broken system.
That doesn’t mean Flacco wasn’t still lucky.
That’s my point!!!! Everybody is better at quarterback than the Steelers! And the reason is Tomlin at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Tomlin needs this shirt to roam the sidelines in ....
https://img.kwcdn.com/product/Fancya...70/format/webp
Maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
He’s not throwing the passes.
Trubisky might be the worst mentally in the entire league on any roster anywhere.
And that’s on Tomlin or someone for signing him. I guess.
The team captains keep saying it's execution, and it starts at film study. Even the fans aren't listening to them.