So put him off Cowher's tree. I don't know why he can't be considered from both, but whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
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So put him off Cowher's tree. I don't know why he can't be considered from both, but whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
when you are in a coaching tree its one tree , not multiple ... maybe thats why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
Do many coaches have "deeply" rooted trees? Or branched or whatever?
Technically half the league has job right now because of like one Mike Shanahan staff while he lost a ton of games with Washington. If not that, they all breathed the same air as Sean McVay. Throw in some failed Billy B pale imitations and that is the league right now. I'm serious.
Where are all these coaches with big leafy canopies producing bunches of head coaches? Certainly not many defensive minded coaches...
https://vault.si.com/.amp/vault/1988...-pittsburgh-by
I expect to see more of this with Tomlin within the next 6 to 12 months, unless he turns it around next year
Noll coming off a 5-11 season -8 years removed from his last Super Bowl, 20 years as HC
Tomlin. coming off a let’s say similar record, 12 years removed from his last Super Bowl appearance, 15 years in the league as HC
He went from Tomlin to Colts to head coach. He’s not a part of either tree. He’s part of the Chuck Pagano tree. Doesn’t qualify under Tomlin or Cowher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
Matt Canada would certainly qualify, although that branch is not looking too good right now
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Originally Posted by 86WARD
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Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
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Apparently it’s all Paul Brown’s tree! Hah!
That is brilliant!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Other coaches get credit for their “tree” under all sorts of circumstances. By the way, Cowher’s tree wasn’t all that impressive either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
Summation: they both suck!
P.s. who was in Noll’s tree? Does he suck too?
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Tomlin needs to follow the Lord’s instructions:Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
“He cuts off every branch of mine that doesn’t produce fruit.” John 15:2
I cant give Pagano credit , Pagano got ill he was installed as an interim based on illness and shocked the world with results ..I mean he has what 3 games with Pagano ?( didnt look it up just guessing based on old man memory )Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
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Originally Posted by DesertSteel
this I will agree with
True but Sid Gillman has an impressive forest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
This is important to have a tree for a head coach even if they are poor head coach....You can be a great assistant coach and a poor head coach at the same time so this is better to have a tree that have no one
Not that I'm advocating for Tomlin to go just yet, but what about someone like Sean Payton? I feel like Pickett/Pickens/Harris/Mooooth would flourish in his system.
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The Steelers' coaching tree...
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I totally agree. Some people think he talks fancy and is smart, while some of us know he talks stupid because he is stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeldude
I don't think Mike Tomlin is a stupid person. He fooled the Steelers organization into hiring him then got credit for leading the 2008 team for winning a Superbowl. Tomlin uses complex sounding word and catchy phrases and people assume he's a football genius. Tomlin has benefited greatly from the Steelers organization and the minds at the top. Any other NFL franchise would have fired Mike Tomlin years ago, its going to be 6 years since the Steelers won a playoff game and at this rate it may be 2-3 more until they have to talent to get back to the playoffs. How long is long enough for the Rooneys, that's the ultimate deciding factor. Fire Tomlin, clean house and start over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Steel
Tomlin has a .631 win percentage over the last 15 years. If he has been fooling the Steelers over that entire time it would have to be the best long game con of all time. OR just the most idiotic thing that has been posted on here in a long while.
He has achieved what he achieved because he coaches for the best organization in the NFL. It's not idiotic, it's not your opinion. If you like Tomlin and think he's a good coach, fine, that's your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
What do the Steelers do as an organization that is different?Quote:
Originally Posted by that1guy
Likely, in large part, due to your fandom. You have willed them the victory from your sofa, in spite of the incompetent coaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by that1guy
What I posted is fact not opinion. Tomlin is one of the winningest HCs in the history of the NFL. Not just Superbowl era either, in the history of the NFL. AND he’s built that over 15 seasons. If you think he is a bad coach, THAT is opinion. My statement is fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by that1guy
Andy Reid is another HC on the winningest coaches list. The Eagles let him go and he continued winning in KC. Just because coaches and franchises part ways does not mean he’s a bad coach. If the Steelers did decide to move on from HC Tomlin, he’s still a good coach and will have success again.
what did Tomlin do that is so outstanding? I think a number of current NFL coaches would’ve achieved that percentage with the talent we hadQuote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
Most recently…he made the playoffs in ‘20 & ‘21 without a QB or RB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
Assuming other coaches could’ve even gotten the talent to play well or at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
How many players have to leave Steelers and either play worse or totally implode before people realize Tomlin has to be doing something.
he had Ben who was still better than half the QB’s out there. Not to mention a 1st round RB in 21.Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
like who Bell? He went to a bad jets team. MB and AB? They were already imploding when we let them go. It was Ben and the talent on O and a good defense that carried us the last decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
Sure. He had nothing to do with those guys producing when they were here. They magically just kept it together all on their own.
Nothing to do with unheralded guys become cornerstones. AV just became a top LT on his own. Ramon Foster would’ve just flourished anywhere.
It is mainly because of the lack of playoff success in the last 12 years that many are frustrated(3-7 in the playoffs since 2011 with loss vs Tebow,Jaguars and Browns,the 2 worst team in the last decade).And besides, in this case, I'm talking about the steelers in general seem to think what they're doing are great even if changes need to be made for both side of the ball since the product is way below the standard at this point.....Maybe a losing season will wake the steelers up!
Also,for Tomlin,he needs to have a much better assistant in his staff since at this point, we have to be honest that it's very poor