Justin Fields case for QB1

Wilson and fields have not been on good teams the last 4 years. Are the Steelers a playoff team with a good Qb? And a healthy line? I think so. Lets see if one of them can win a playoff game this year. Wilson was brought here to do that. Fields was brought to back him up. I still think theyre going to put Wilson in there as soon as he can go unless Fields turns into Steve Young.

that being said, Young had multiple concussions throughout his career and i think thats the problem with running Qb’s. Injuries - and missing games. Vick, cunningham, young, they have 2-3 good seasons then they start missing alot games because the wear and tear was like that of a running back

To his credit, I don’t think Fields has ever had a concussion. Some guys are just more prone to them (Tua).

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

To his credit, I don’t think Fields has ever had a concussion. Some guys are just more prone to them (Tua).

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Once you have had one, you become more prone to them.

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Originally Posted by Born2Steel

Once you have had one, you become more prone to them.

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Agreed. If Tua has one more….after this one, my recommendation would be to retire. I don’t care how much money he will lose out on, it’s not worth having your brain scrambled for the rest of his life. No telling how many older former players had multiple concussions, and players who would go back into the game concussed. Concussion protocol is only a relatively recent mandate.

Yeah, I'm trying to imagine the meeting between Rooney, Khan, and Tomlin when they're discussing whether to sign Russell Wilson.

What? He hasn't been in the playoffs in five years? In his last playoff game he only completed 42% of his passes? He's clearly only deteriorated since his last playoff appearance? Let's sign him!

The Steelers wouldn't have signed Wilson if they thought he was a bum. They signed Wilson because they have plans of making a playoff run, and they thought he's the one who can lead it. And so far we've seen nothing to contradict that.

We're judging Wilson by his performance on previous teams, but we're not still judging Fields based on his performance with the Bears. Fields is playing better with the Steelers, maybe Wilson would too.

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Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

So playoff records are important now? :yay3:

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It's always mattered to me. And yes, I know you're talking about Tomlin.

Russell Wilson was also the least expensive QB they could sign on the open market.

That likely played a massive role in the discussion and planning.

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

Russell Wilson was also the least expensive QB they could sign on the open market.

That likely played a massive role in the discussion and planning.

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Sure, but I doubt they say "Russell Wilson sucks, but he's cheap, so let's sign him."

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Sure, but I doubt they say "Russell Wilson sucks, but he's cheap, so let's sign him."

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Probably not.

But Wilson at $25 million a year and you gotta rejigger your entire salary cap - that’s a highly possible nor,

Wilson for less than you pay your punter - that’s probably not even a long meeting. You can’t lose. Even if he doesn’t play.

And Wilson and his cost spelled the end of Mason’s career in Pittsburgh.

Fields cost was about the same btw

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Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west

And Wilson and his cost spelled the end of Mason’s career in Pittsburgh.

Fields cost was about the same btw

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I don’t follow.

Because Mason would’ve been more expensive?

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

I don’t follow.

Because Mason would’ve been more expensive?

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yes, they were looking for competition for KP right? They probably thought Mason would get interest and be able to double or triple his salary. Wilson came cheaper with the HOF pedigree and playoff success background, like you guys were saying at the time; “it was a no brainer”

MR is making 3 million this year, which is less than we thought he’d get but hes still making the same as both our Qb’s combined

Or maybe they just realized like most of the league that Mason is an average back up…at his best.

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

Or maybe they just realized like most of the league that Mason is an average back up…at his best.

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and they thought Wilson was a better option than both Mason and KP

Fields is not the QB of the future, period. Dak showed what a real QB does, drives the field to win the game.

They can plan to draft their next Qb now

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Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west

They can plan to draft their next Qb now

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This. The Steelers signed 2 QBs left by the side of a dumpster, "They are who we thought they were"

Time for all the sky is falling posts.

I think it's safe to say Fields isn't the guy.

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

Time for all the sky is falling posts.

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No, but it is time to get Wilson out there

Is the absurd Fields experiment over now?

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Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west

No, but it is time to get Wilson out there

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I would be interested in seeing the offense with Wilson. But the biggest problem is the lack of a run game and a collection of WR4s on the field.

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Originally Posted by Mach1

I think it's safe to say Fields isn't the guy.

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He DID lead a 4th quarter drive to get the Steelers back in the lead. But yeah, his play was mediocre otherwise.

I say give him one more week. If he can't put up more than 20 points against the Raiders, then give Wilson a shot.

Fields is playing like Fields always plays..

its ugly.

I want Wilson

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Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

He DID lead a 4th quarter drive to get the Steelers back in the lead. But yeah, his play was mediocre otherwise.

I say give him one more week. If he can't put up more than 20 points against the Raiders, then give Wilson a shot.

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Same with Pickett to a degree. How much is the QB and how much is the OC and/or Tomlin's offensive philosophy?

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

Same with Pickett to a degree. How much is the QB and how much is the OC and/or Tomlin's offensive philosophy?

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That’s what is hard to evaluate. I didn’t see a lot of opportunities. He got lucky a couple throws weren’t picked, but no misses to open guys. Najee continues to avg 3 yards and OL continues to turn 3rd and 2 into 3rd and seven. It’s not as tough as last year but still tough on QB in first year of system. Then throw in Pickens is out every third play. I thought he might be injured at one point. No playmakers. So I’m good with seeing Wilson now. 5-0 or 4-1 you go with hot hand but they need a spark.

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

Same with Pickett to a degree. How much is the QB and how much is the OC and/or Tomlin's offensive philosophy?

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I mean, better than Canada, because there are actual WR routes into the middle of the field, but none are open still. As for Fields, there were a few missed open guys he just didn’t throw to. I am hopeful Wilson can make those throws. If we could just make some mid to deep throws each game, teams can’t stack the box to stop the run. Of course if we weren’t fielding a bunch of rookies and 3rd stringers along the OL we would be doing better also. That being said, maybe the coaching staff could find a way to scheme through the issues along the OL instead of trotting out “the standard is the standard” and expecting those guys to perform at pro bowl starter levels.

Orlovsky's assessment of Fields after yesterday:

https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/41660272

130 passing yards with 3 extra possessions.

Trash offense.

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Originally Posted by feltdizz

Fields is playing like Fields always plays..

its ugly.

I want Wilson

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I could do without either, We need to look at the Draft.

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Originally Posted by feltdizz

130 passing yards with 3 extra possessions.

Trash offense.

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Josh Allen:
9 for 30 for 131 yards and only one TD.

TRASH!

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Originally Posted by feltdizz

130 passing yards with 3 extra possessions.

Trash offense.

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D gives up 450 yards, trash defense. We’re phucked.

Allen can afford a bad game

Fields cant.

Its true though regarding the O line. We’re going nowhere if the line isn't fixed. Also Smith needs to open up the passing attack and relieve pressure on the running game

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

Orlovsky's assessment of Fields after yesterday:

https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/41660272

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He ain't wrong. The run game is horrible has no burst. The wife receivers are rarely open

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Originally Posted by cubanstogie

D gives up 450 yards, trash defense. We’re phucked.

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The defense held a actual real NFL offense to 13 points until 20 seconds left in the game. They did their job. They got the ball for the offense 3 extra times. And the offense same as always unable to score points.

Facing a defense missing their 2 top D lineman, pass rushers. And they couldn't do shit

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Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west

Allen can afford a bad game

Fields cant.

Its true though regarding the O line. We’re going nowhere if the line isn't fixed. Also Smith needs to open up the passing attack and relieve pressure on the running game

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That’s debatable…those come much more often for Allen nowadays…

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Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west

Allen can afford a bad game

Fields cant.

It’s true though regarding the O line. We’re going nowhere if the line isn't fixed. Also Smith needs to open up the passing attack and relieve pressure on the running game

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Yeah that’s because Mitch Trubisky is his backup! Lol

as long as this is the type of effort the QB gets from the WR's , its not gonna matter who plays QB

and that isnt even showing the drop by Heyward on the deep ball early that went through his hands

4-2 as a starter with 10 touchdowns and 1 interception and 2 lost fumbles. All while playing in a conservative offensive game plan.

Are you bending him? Really?

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

4-2 as a starter with 10 touchdowns and 1 interception and 2 lost fumbles. All while playing in a conservative offensive game plan.

Are you bending him? Really?

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Oh yes I am.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Oh yes I am.

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Yeah I already counted you as a vote against Fields.