They aren’t protesting the flag and anthem though. Protesting “during” the anthem is totally different than protesting “THE” anthem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secondaryconcerns
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They aren’t protesting the flag and anthem though. Protesting “during” the anthem is totally different than protesting “THE” anthem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secondaryconcerns
Then why aren't they protesting at any other time in addition to the flag and the anthem? To us average Joe Americans it feels like they are spitting on the flag. That's a perception problem that they've created. It's not our job to reach a different perception. It's their job to change it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
BOOM .............. <mic drop moment>Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
They’ve said multiple times, the announcers have said multiple times it’s not about the anthem, flag, veterans.
The time he chose to protest, again, isn’t the best time in my opinion, but it is the time that would get the most attention. Which is what it did. Not you, but more people should take the time to educate themselves and see that it’s not about the flag. I think they should be protesting the police stations but they won’t do that. They’ll do it on a National stage where it gets the most attention and veterans fought to let them do it and the league chose to let them do it. So it is what it is. And it’s not going to stop anytime soon.
How many words is a picture worth?Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
if you take one of the rare moments of unity and make it about yourself ... you just said fucked the world....Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
and in a nutshell there you have it
Actually, from a psychological standpoint, you are in control of your own perception.....other people do not control how you perceive or interpret actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
example, One can observe 2 men kissing each other on the cheek as a greeting and think its wrong, or one can observe that is a custom in parts of Europe and accept it.
Whatever. To me this is a bunch of overpaid spoiled dumb fucks doing a bunch of dumb fucking stuff. I'm over you all.
"For the fans that criticize us, bring it back to football. Take your political views somewhere else,” said (Ramon) Foster.
Oh yea? Well then why don't you guys take your stupid political views somewhere else as well!?! You guys started this!!! Just stand up for the anthem and shut the F up and play football. As a fan, I didn't ask for this so stop whining like you're a victim (the mantra of the left) and just play football!!
Ben's new plan which he shared during his Tuesday morning radio appearance
He’s still shooting for the locked arm move, actually.
“I hope [on Sunday] we all lock arms and we all show unity, together as one [brotherhood],” he said. “[Race], color, creed, ethnicity, background, religion, nothing should matter. We all come together as brothers on that football field. We’re all Steelers.”
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/s...s/201709260113
But based on what Secondaryconcerns posted, AV may be required to place his hand over his heart if he can see the flag or hear the anthem- kind of difficult to do that and lock arms
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Originally Posted by Secondaryconcerns
So if everyone else locks arms while AV holds his hand over his heart this gets ramped up again as to why allegedly only AV honored the flag
Maybe AV can walk Ben through what AV sees as his obligations during the anthem sometime before Plan B is unfurled. If not, this next look will be Groundhog Day for political disputes as the outrage machine gears up again.
This will cause 2 injuries. The player to the right and left of Deebo. His biceps will crush the other 2 guys' arms. Just sayin.Quote:
He’s still shooting for the locked arm move, actually.
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Originally Posted by AtlantaDan
the one caveat that could save this plan is if AV is the last in line ( if on one side of field or first on otherside) leaving his left arm free to interlock while still having his right hand over his heart ....
but still to late for many
And that’s fine if someone wants to just view a picture and come to a conclusion based on just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
There’s a lot of ignorant people in the world that don’t like to think for themselves and don’t know the full story. How many people out there still think Ben Roesthlisberger raped two women? Because they are too ignorant to research the story on their own.
Again, not the best choice of when to do it in my opinion and I don’t think it’s right, BUT it’s the perfect time to do it to get people talking about it. It’s just that some few ignorant people have taken it in a direction that it’s not and have tried to make it something it’s not.
Thinking for myself is what I'm doing. I see the actions that are being taken and I am forming my own opinion, instead of what the liberal media wants to push on me. These guys are millionaires because of the opportunities afforded under that flag. To me, it's nothing more than a show of disrespect. That's MY OPINION.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
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And hopefully during their spare time they can work on the game plan...Quote:
Originally Posted by AtlantaDan
So I am getting that your view is that when they are protesting is disrespectful and I’m in agreement with that. However, there’s many people who view this as protesting the flag, anthem and veterans and that’s not what it’s about. That is the point I am arguing. I’m not arguing that when they are protesting is okay. I mean they have the right to do it and that’s fine. I don’t think they should be doing it then and I also don’t think that the anthem should be played before every sporting event, but that’s a whole other debate...lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
Regardless of their intentions, the flag and those who've fought for this country are being disrespected. At the same time, it's a free country and they can do what they want. I just wish all this attention would stop being paid to them in their dishonorable act. Acting dishonorably is never an effective way to protest an injustice.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
This is definitely a time sink - players meeting ran overtime yesterday to get their stories straightened out before Ben, Heyward and AV were made available to reportersQuote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
Just a guess not much time was spent reviewing what broke down on the blocked FG or the inability to stop the run
Ben and Moats said the anthem follies caused the team to lose focus Sunday
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/s...s/201709260140
easy fix , new rule you sit/kneel do jumping jacks whatever , anything other than stand at attention and you are fined 1/2 a game check
all proceeds go to disabled / homeless vets ...
protest your ass off now
exactly, shut up and entertain. Just like hollywood, most people don't give a shit what George Clooney as to say about politics. They are in a place to help people, donate time to or money to organizations. Im not wealthy but I give to wounded warriors , st jude and volunteer time for special olympics. I have never protested anything in my life. No fucking point. giving time and money is what helps people in need. Not arguing in the street or thumbing your nose.Quote:
Originally Posted by ETL
I was wondering if you guys could direct me to a place where I can talk about Steelers football? I can't seem to find anything pertaining to the sport of American Football.
try the steelers sectionQuote:
Originally Posted by BurghBoy412
I'm not speaking psychology. I have no incentive to change my perception. It's on a communicator, marketer or protestor to change my perception. These are things I have lots of professional experience with.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
The easiest fix is to just not play the anthem before every sporting event. It serves no point. Do it during the super bowl, World Series, etc. no need to have it for Week 3...lol.