FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

It gets lost in the negative noise, but go read the recent stories and interviews with Myles Jack and Arthur Maulet. Those are two players that very much want to be here. In fact, coming to Pittsburgh kept Maulet from retiring. I would argue that is to the detriment of the team....but that is another thread!

MF and Watt signed massive extensions to stay here for essentially the rest of their careers.

Dan Moore Jr and Harris are almost always saying positive things about the team.

You can always find things to reinforce a negative view if you want....but if you take a look at all of it....it just isn't a systemic issue. Yet. It always could be. Who knows?

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It gets lost in the negative noise, but go read the recent stories and interviews with Myles Jack and Arthur Maulet. Those are two players that very much want to be here. In fact, coming to Pittsburgh kept Maulet from retiring. I would argue that is to the detriment of the team....but that is another thread!

MF and Watt signed massive extensions to stay here for essentially the rest of their careers.

Dan Moore Jr and Harris are almost always saying positive things about the team.

You can always find things to reinforce a negative view if you want....but if you take a look at all of it....it just isn't a systemic issue. Yet. It always could be. Who knows?

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WJ-III wouid “only” be traded to the Steelers.

JuJu bashed the offense, but he also begged Tomlin to extend him. One can love their house and simultaneously want to remodel the bathroom with the leaky shower.

The fact is that barring a miracle the Steelers have an 8.3% chance of winning a playoff game any year. The math is that the Steelers have not won a playoff game in 10 of the last 12 seasons. One of those seasons the Steelers beat an AJ McCarron led team which I consider an act of God based on the ending. That really was a miracle.

So why complain now? It makes no sense. It is like this every year. The fans keep showing up to the point multiple away games for the Steelers are home games. Nothing is going to change so just enjoy some of the flashes from the new stars like Pickens and um... well he's the only real star under 25 as young as the team is. So just enjoy Pickens and Watt when he comes back. Don't expect to win a playoff game or you will be disappointed. Still so much to cheer for.

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The fact is that barring a miracle the Steelers have an 8.3% chance of winning a playoff game any year. The math is that the Steelers have not won a playoff game in 10 of the last 12 seasons. One of those seasons the Steelers beat an AJ McCarron led team which I consider an act of God based on the ending. That really was a miracle.

So why complain now? It makes no sense. It is like this every year. The fans keep showing up to the point multiple away games for the Steelers are home games. Nothing is going to change so just enjoy some of the flashes from the new stars like Pickens and um... well he's the only real star under 25 as young as the team is. So just enjoy Pickens and Watt when he comes back. Don't expect to win a playoff game or you will be disappointed. Still so much to cheer for.

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WJ-III wouid “only” be traded to the Steelers.

JuJu bashed the offense, but he also begged Tomlin to extend him. One can love their house and simultaneously want to remodel the bathroom with the leaky shower.

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Virtually all of the former player bashing has come from WRs. Sanders, AB, Juju…

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

Virtually all of the former player bashing has come from WRs. Sanders, AB, Juju…

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You'd have to be pretty sensitive to call that "bashing." Is it possible Andy Reid is a better offensive coach than what exists on the Steelers? Reid has had a top 10 offense almost every year for over 20 years now.

Personally the way Dick Lebeau and James Harrison were treated based on their feedback were by far the biggest incidents that put me off Tomlin (who has the second worst playoff defense since forcing out Lebeau).

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Originally Posted by Lloydwoodsonjr

You'd have to be pretty sensitive to call that "bashing." Is it possible Andy Reid is a better offensive coach than what exists on the Steelers? Reid has had a top 10 offense almost every year for over 20 years now.

Personally the way Dick Lebeau and James Harrison were treated based on their feedback were by far the biggest incidents that put me off Tomlin (who has the second worst playoff defense since forcing out Lebeau).

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Juju never said anything about me. But you're brilliant as always.

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Originally Posted by Lloydwoodsonjr

You'd have to be pretty sensitive to call that "bashing." Is it possible Andy Reid is a better offensive coach than what exists on the Steelers? Reid has had a top 10 offense almost every year for over 20 years now.

Personally the way Dick Lebeau and James Harrison were treated based on their feedback were by far the biggest incidents that put me off Tomlin (who has the second worst playoff defense since forcing out Lebeau).

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Not true. But go on…

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Originally Posted by Lloydwoodsonjr

You'd have to be pretty sensitive to call that "bashing." Is it possible Andy Reid is a better offensive coach than what exists on the Steelers? Reid has had a top 10 offense almost every year for over 20 years now.

Personally the way Dick Lebeau and James Harrison were treated based on their feedback were by far the biggest incidents that put me off Tomlin (who has the second worst playoff defense since forcing out Lebeau).

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Andy Reid is a great coach but between 2009 to 2017 he had only 1 playoff win and he had a 4-12 season in 2012(and the eagles had the 29th scoring offense)...Every coach can have high and low at some point.....

I like that commercial with Andy Reid drawing mustaches on players. That guy sure can act.

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Andy Reid is a great coach but between 2009 to 2017 he had only 1 playoff win and he had a 4-12 season in 2012(and the eagles had the 29th scoring offense)...Every coach can have high and low at some point.....

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K. Wake me up when we hit a high point. It's been 13 seasons excepting 2016.

Reid with Mahomes in 4 seasons has never finished with fewer than 12 wins and an AFC Championship appearance.

Where are the 8-8 seasons? Why aren't the 1 and dones piling up?

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Originally Posted by Lloydwoodsonjr

K. Wake me up when we hit a high point. It's been 13 seasons excepting 2016.

Reid with Mahomes in 4 seasons has never finished with fewer than 12 wins and an AFC Championship appearance.

Where are the 8-8 seasons? Why aren't the 1 and dones piling up?

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According to your logic, Andy Reid did nothing between 2005 to 2017 (13 seasons) except for 2008

I also have issues with Tomlin and things he need to be much better and yes Reid is better than Tomlin at this point but Reid also had some very bad loss in the playoffs like in 2013 and 2017

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Originally Posted by Lloydwoodsonjr

K. Wake me up when we hit a high point. It's been 13 seasons excepting 2016.

Reid with Mahomes in 4 seasons has never finished with fewer than 12 wins and an AFC Championship appearance.

Where are the 8-8 seasons? Why aren't the 1 and dones piling up?

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You've struck a clue, and don't even realize it...

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Originally Posted by polamalubeast

According to your logic, Andy Reid did nothing between 2005 to 2017 (13 seasons) except for 2008

I also have issues with Tomlin and things he need to be much better and yes Reid is better than Tomlin at this point but Reid also had some very bad loss in the playoffs like in 2013 and 2017

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Andy Reid was fired... and the Eagles won a Super Bowl...

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

You've struck a clue, and don't even realize it...

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Tomlin had Ben for 14 seasons. 3 of 14 vs 4 of 4.

Tomlin should go to the NCAA where he belongs.

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K. Wake me up when we hit a high point. It's been 13 seasons excepting 2016.

Reid with Mahomes in 4 seasons has never finished with fewer than 12 wins and an AFC Championship appearance.

Where are the 8-8 seasons? Why aren't the 1 and dones piling up?

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Might want to check your comparisons again…

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Tomlin should take Chuck Noll’s quote to heart:

The critics are always right. The only way you shut them up is by winning.

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Tomlin had Ben for 14 seasons. 3 of 14 vs 4 of 4.

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You must be a real homer if you think Ben was as good as Mahomes. The latter is a generational talent and has the potential to be the GOAT. Ben was never any of that.

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

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Sanders was angry, because he felt that he could have turned out as good as AB. (He's not... although, as a rookie, I felt he was the best WR taken in that draft).

JuJu has bashed Canada, but not Tomlin.

AB... uh... he is too busy trolling Marsha.

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Originally Posted by Lloydwoodsonjr

Andy Reid was fired... and the Eagles won a Super Bowl...

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You ignore my point again....

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Sanders was angry, because he felt that he could have turned out as good as AB. (He's not... although, as a rookie, I felt he was the best WR taken in that draft).

JuJu has bashed Canada, but not Tomlin.

AB... uh... he is too busy trolling Marsha.

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Sanders had a better career than AB lol, AB should have been in the GOAT category if he didn’t have the mental issues.

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Sanders had a better career than AB lol, AB should have been in the GOAT category if he didn’t have the mental issues.

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After their rookie seasons, Sanders looked like the better player. A decade later, it’s obviously AB (I’d put his six-year stretch up against ANY receiver in history).

I also contend that if Sanders doesn’t get hurt in the Super Bowl, we win our 7th title. (Look at the misses… most to guys filling in for Sanders.)

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You must be a real homer if you think Ben was as good as Mahomes. The latter is a generational talent and has the potential to be the GOAT. Ben was never any of that.

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This is exactly why this thread needs to be deleted. Between knee jerk reactions to this season and die hard Tomlin apologists like yourself it is a pointless thread.

You sound just like Tomlin. Last year he said Canada's offense didn't work because Ben is immobile. It was always Ben's fault.

"Tomlin only had the 5th passer in NFL history! Ben isn't Mahomes! What do you expect?! Making ONE AFC Championship in Ben's final 10 seasons is super good! It's the same as going 4 for 4 with Mahomes!"

Imagine having a HOF QB for 10 seasons and producing 2 playoff wins and Steelers fans swearing Tomlin is the GOAT. It's hilarious.

Do you know who else isn't Mahomes or even Roethlisberger? Kenny Pickett. So... by logical extension you do not expect any playoff wins with Pickett and are fine with it.

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Do you know who else isn't Mahomes or even Roethlisberger? Kenny Pickett. So... by logical extension you do not expect any playoff wins with Pickett and are fine with it.

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You don’t know that…you think that, but you don’t know that yet…

I love it when the cough syrup kicks in. :alcoholic:

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This is exactly why this thread needs to be deleted. Between knee jerk reactions to this season and die hard Tomlin apologists like yourself it is a pointless thread.

You sound just like Tomlin. Last year he said Canada's offense didn't work because Ben is immobile. It was always Ben's fault.

"Tomlin only had the 5th passer in NFL history! Ben isn't Mahomes! What do you expect?! Making ONE AFC Championship in Ben's final 10 seasons is super good! It's the same as going 4 for 4 with Mahomes!"

Imagine having a HOF QB for 10 seasons and producing 2 playoff wins and Steelers fans swearing Tomlin is the GOAT. It's hilarious.

Do you know who else isn't Mahomes or even Roethlisberger? Kenny Pickett. So... by logical extension you do not expect any playoff wins with Pickett and are fine with it.

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Your account needs to be deleted. Can you even make a coherent point? Ever? How many Super Bowl championships does Reid have, by the way? Isn't that what we're measuring? I have no doubt that if the Steelers had Mahomes, they'd be going to Super Bowls every other year. "By logical extension"? I can count KP's starts on one hand. No one knows how good he will or won't be.

As for Tomlin, I simply don't waste my time ranting for his firing because I know it will never happen. And have you noticed how well all the new coaches from the past couple years are doing?

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Your account needs to be deleted. Can you even make a coherent point? Ever? How many Super Bowl championships does Reid have, by the way? Isn't that what we're measuring? I have no doubt that if the Steelers had Mahomes, they'd be going to Super Bowls every other year. "By logical extension"? I can count KP's starts on one hand. No one knows how good he will or won't be.

As for Tomlin, I simply don't waste my time ranting for his firing because I know it will never happen. And have you noticed how well all the new coaches from the past couple years are doing?

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See? You're the homer. "If the Steelers had Mahomes they'd go to the Super Bowl every other year."

The Steelers defense since 2017 in the playoffs allows 13 ppg more than Mahomes scores in the playoffs. You bad at math?

If a QB mattered as much as you laughably assert Marino would have had multiple titles, and so would Brees and Rodgers. It doesn't matter who the QB is when they have to score 48 points to win.

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It doesn't matter who the QB is when they have to score 48 points to win.

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It matters to me. Would you want Marino or Kordell if you need to score 48? The chances of scoring 48 with Marino are phenomenally greater than with Kordell.

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See? You're the homer. "If the Steelers had Mahomes they'd go to the Super Bowl every other year."

The Steelers defense since 2017 in the playoffs allows 13 ppg more than Mahomes scores in the playoffs. You bad at math?

If a QB mattered as much as you laughably assert Marino would have had multiple titles, and so would Brees and Rodgers. It doesn't matter who the QB is when they have to score 48 points to win.

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Do you think that Tomlin is the only reason for this problem?....If this is the case,do you think that Andy Reid was the reason for the huge playoffs collapse by the chiefs in 2013(they were up 38-10 before losing this game) and 2017(they were up 21-3 against a very weak Titans team before losing this game)?

Or what about 2002 and 2003 when the eagles score only 13 combined points at home in their final playoffs game...He is a offensive coach,so do you think he deserves all the heat for that or do you have double standard for that?

Please answer his question properly and don't try to avoid his questions!

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Originally Posted by Lloydwoodsonjr

See? You're the homer. "If the Steelers had Mahomes they'd go to the Super Bowl every other year."

The Steelers defense since 2017 in the playoffs allows 13 ppg more than Mahomes scores in the playoffs. You bad at math?

If a QB mattered as much as you laughably assert Marino would have had multiple titles, and so would Brees and Rodgers. It doesn't matter who the QB is when they have to score 48 points to win.

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You need to start checking your facts because you’re continually spitting “fake facts”.