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I suspect not, but it could be. If you want to hire a "hotshot" offensive coach, you typically have to hand him the head coaching chair as well. It would be kinda dirty pool a bit to fire the HC to get an OC....but not without precedent across the NFL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
Correct. Which is why I said not the Steelers way. But damn, we're just Monday morning talking here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Honestly, it all comes down to what the powers that be think they need to develop KP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
Certainly more than they currently have.
And they've had a pretty dumb-ass plan for this so far if you ask me...but that's another thread entirely.
I remain less than optimistic about the process and result for the next OC.
Nobody else is being listened to either. Ownership willQuote:
Originally Posted by fansince'76
do the right thing and keep Tomlin on forever.
Ok,fineQuote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
I know! If Art II doesn't start listening to all the Internet randos soon, Steelers fans will stop attending games in person and the team will lose their stadium revenue and go BANKRUPT! :horror:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloydwoodsonjr
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Originally Posted by fansince'76
IDK about all that but part of it is true ...
We are at the time record wise where empty seats will start to happen even in Pittsburgh , nobody wants to sit in crappy weather for 4+ hours to watch this product hell many can barely stand it in the comfort of their own living rooms ....
Change inspires hope even if that hope is for the future standing pat with this inspires nothing but despair and despair spends no money ....
Revenue will start to fall for sure ....
bankrupt however is a huge stretch but my guess is the post was intended as sarcasm but even so much of it will transpire at the current state of affairs if change does not happen
Empty seats in the stands is the least of any NFL franchises worries. Average team makes about $560,000 profit per event from ticket sales.
Ticket sales count about 1.25% towards their total profit. No NFL team went bankrupt with empty stadiums during COVID.
Is it a good look? No. Is it going to cripple an NFL franchise? Not even close.
It was. Stadium revenue is chump change compared to what the league makes off the TV contracts, despite Brainiac's previous assertion to the contrary. He also seems to think that people like Art II should actually take notice and listen when a bunch of people bitch on a message board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
The day Art II starts running the team based on the opinions of a bunch of online randos is the day I hope he sells his share of the team to someone else.
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Originally Posted by fansince'76
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Originally Posted by fansince'76
No way man! Fans need to hold teams accountable!! Demand excellence!Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
I mean like three loud guys on here told me that stadium revenue was incredibly important and worth like billions of dollars. They said they were super sure....so I mean....maybe rethink your whole take here? :)
Tomlin is too arrogant at this point to keep Canada.....
At this point it does no good for anyone to fire Canada. The offensive players will not be able to learn a new system in a 10 day period. You'd have to imagine the Rooneys a n d ownership see the overall direction the franchise is headed and they can't be too optimistic. It's been a lackluster run for Tomlin since the Superbowl loss in 2009. The 'Never a losing season' argument is ridiculous. NFL owners don't go into season saying "Well, if we win 50% of our games, that's a success to me". The Steelers organization would most likely be want Playoff wins to define a season and not 9-7 to be it's pinnacle.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
The standard become lower and lower...Before it was to compete for the super bowl and now in the last few years it was to avoid a losing season
RIDICULOUS
He’s a fucking idiot. You can’t defend Tomlin anymore. I like the guy but now he’s just hurting the football team…
true!Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
If Tomlin/Rooneys fired Canada during the bye week and the Offense didn't improve where would the blame fall? Firing Canada would put Tomlin in a tough spot because it would have Ownership wondering that it may not have been Arians,Haley,Fichner or Canada after all. Maybe it's been the Man with the cool shades who hasn't delivered.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
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If Tomlin/Rooneys fired Canada during the bye week and the Offense didn't improve where would the blame fall? Firing Canada would put Tomlin in a tough spot because it would have Ownership wondering that it may not have been Arians,Haley,Fichner or Canada after all. Maybe it's been the Man with the cool shades who hasn't delivered.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Tomlin isn’t on the hot seat, but should be after this season. Firing Crapnada would at least show he is aware of the problems plaguing the offense and is willing to do something to try to correct it.
Arians and Haley produced. Canada hasn’t helped produce points, yardage anything positive for three seasons now…if a interim OC comes in and it’s the same, it is what it is. The change isn’t going to be drastic until there’s a new hire but an interim OC may possibly put players in positions to succeed…Can’tnada has not now for three years…Anything positive has been because Ben put his teammates in those postitions…Quote:
Originally Posted by that1guy
Yes…show some awareness…Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotorhead
"Crapnado" certainly would be a fitting description, and has a nice ring to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotorhead
No. I don't think the owner should listen to this message board. I think this thread should be taken down. 47 pages of whining. Tomlin hasn't changed at all since he became coach so why be mad now? Makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by fansince'76
And tens of millions of dollars isn't "chump change." These owners almost never give fully guaranteed money and yet they don't care about the "chump change" of contracts?
Please explain why teams ever change coaches. What's the point? Hire a friend who will do what you say and collect profits. It doesn't matter if fans attend.
Tens of millions is chump change when compared to billions in tv revenue. Stadium revenue barely moves the needle for the scale of TV money that comes into the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloydwoodsonjr
Tens of millions matters in player contracts not because the owners care about writing the check, they care about having limited salary cap resources tied up in players that are underperforming or not able to play. At least the good owners do. Stupid owners probably whine about paying anyone!
And there are many teams across the NFL landscape that are not trying to win a thing.
We could go on and on about this. But you are just wrong about fans being able to hold anyone accountable. It sucks, but your opinion, mine, and everyone elses makes no nevermind to the Pittsburgh Steelers. They would like broad and deep fan support, but as long as that sweet sweet TV money keeps rolling in by the truck-full; they don't need it.
But if you want to keep believing that you can change the temperature of the water by spitting in the ocean....you can do you.
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Been just over 12 hours. By like this afternoon, this will have been turned into the story that "...inside sources are reporting that Tomlin has completely lost the locker-room and players are demanding to play ping pong and Call of Duty instead of practice..."Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
Just want to point out that if you read the posted quote....it is completely someone's opinion based on ZERO tangible evidence of the thing they are wildly speculating on actually happening...but by later today this will be a "known fact" for many.
This is just like when "drama" was going to cause the locker room to wander away or something....and it never happened.
I tend to agree with you but you do have to admit that there appears to be some locker room issues with Claypools story and the DJ/Trubisky story and then the tone of some of the comments in regards to the offense…Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Even Boz trolled Canada and oddly came down with injury and had to sit out .....Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
hmmmm
Does Canada have pics or video on Tomlin / Rooney and that is why he still has a job ???
I jest but it is getting odd to say the least
Seems like players don't want to be on this team. The new browns, no one wants to be there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
Of course there are locker room issues. The team is 2-6. This is the kind of thing that happens on all teams on a losing streak.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
But for every one of the stories about someone bashing a coach or whatever, there are 3 stories/quotes where a player specifically points out where their own failure to execute properly contributed to overall lack of success.
It is a bad situation for sure on offense Lack of player ability and execution is being amplified by a terrible scheme and game-plan. But I think it has to get a lot worse than this before it really matters.
Nobody likes a loserQuote:
Originally Posted by Mach1