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Mainstream national media (as opposed to clickbait commentators such as Cowherd) starting to turn on Tomlin?
This from Peter King in his FMIA column this morning
WHAT?! “Flow of game?” That is nonsensical.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...14-peter-king/
Who is in charge of the scouting dept for the defense - especially the DBs and LBs.
Talk about failures.
Probably the same folks who recurringly hit the jackpot with WRsQuote:
Originally Posted by tube517
Well, then I suppose we're left to the coaching. If we assume that the Steelers draft process/evaluation for DBs is effective because it's been successful for WRs, then what is happening between the end of April and the beginning of September to cause such a decline in performance from the secondary?Quote:
Originally Posted by AtlantaDan
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I think this is accurate. Tomlin will stay, but he'll probably see a Rooney move like Noll saw late in his career. Then again, of the three coordinators, I wouldn't mind seeing Fichtner stay around another year. He put together some great game plans. Some others stunk. Give him an offseason to work that out and I think he comes back ready to go. I was willing to give Butler this season after Shazier's injury. However, he's done as far as I'm concerned. When I saw safeties 20 yards off the LOS in the closing minutes when we were trying to protect a lead and it was 3rd and 8 or something like that? Just no. We have a CB who can't play zone. We have a zone defense that can't stop the pass. So why are we continuing to play zone? Bring Burns on and stick him on the other teams second-best receiver all game. No, I think it's time to fire the Butler.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
Special teams? Please. Hitch a wagon to a mule and toss his stuff on it and strap Bozwell to the back as well.
Oline coach? He's the bright spot. We keep him right where he is to rebuild this line as it begins to break up over the next few years.
I'll just say this. You know you're bad when you get outcoached by Jon Gruden.
Deer in the headlights.
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Originally Posted by Mach1
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Would be perfect if there was a reflection of oncoming headlines instead of the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mach1
"Mike Tomlin outcoached <Fill in the Blank> today" - said no one ever
So that's why he wears his cool shadesQuote:
Originally Posted by Mach1
I would support that if Tomlin wanted to go that route. I would hang onto Bradley and consider him as a DC candidate. He hasnt done great with the DBs but that could be because there just isn't talent there. We've seen a nice improvement in Hilton's play but Burns and the rest...just may not have the ability to be any better. His Penn State Defenses were ranked fairly well over the years in Total Yards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
they need a new scouting department too not just a bunch of Colberts family ....
we need Corners and we have not drafted a good one since ......since .........since ........ Jesus its been that long !!!!
Ike Taylor ................. 2003 .....
since then they have drafted a ton of body's but only a few decent players ( no GOOD ones ) ..
Ricardo Colclough 2nd round ....a lot of draft stock squandered
Bryant McFadden 2nd round.... decent corner
William Gay 5th round ..... streaky corner sucked was good and then sucked again
Keenan Lewis 3rd round .....we got about 10 good games from him
Joe Burnett 5th round .....some hype but nothing but smoke and mirrors
Crezdon Butler 5th round ..... showed a few flashed and fizzled quickly
Cortez Allen 4th round..... fooled us long enough to get paid and has not been seen since
Curtis Brown 3rd round ....never showed a thing
Terrance Fredrick 7th round ... dud
Terry hawthorn 5th round.....dud
Shaq Richardson 5th round ... dud
Doran Grant 4th round .... dud
Senquez Golson 2nd round .... a lot of draft stock squandered
Artie Burns 1st round .... a lot of draft stock squandered
Brian Allen 5th round.... ??? probably a dud
Cameron Sutton 3rd round .... smart kid knows what to do but hasn't put it on tape yet
seems to me that many selections spent you should develop more than what we have managed from it ..... it all starts with scouting and then development via coaching we have not done well at either
Looking at that list, they got exactly what they went looking for (or for the most part they did):Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
1. Zone focused CBs
2. Good tacklers that were willing in run support and blitzes off the edge.
3. CBs focused on keeping the play in front of them
4. Guys that lack ball skills and good movement skills because they were drafted well outside the first round.
The few guys they tried to break that "plan" with (Sutton, Golson, Allen, Burns) have either not panned out, got hurt, or they did stupid things -- like taking a press man cover guy in Burns and telling him to play zone/read stuff.
I agree the plan was bad and not effective. But in a certain sense, the Scouting Department gave the team exactly what it asked for.
the way the game was flowing while Dobbs was playing should have made Tomlin want to put Ben back in as soon as the doctors had cleared him...Quote:
Originally Posted by AtlantaDan
I guess we have a different opinion of what is " well outside of the 1st round " there is THREE 2nd round picks on that list and a 1st rounder ...three 3rd rounders ... these are not trash selections points ( even though they where trash selections )Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
also a pair of 4th rounders ( which by the way is the same round Ike Taylor came from the original example in my post )
Apparently Tomlin was enamored with that one throw from Dobbs a few weeks back.
We can quibble over the math and prioritization of the rounds all night. But the bottom line is the Steelers have requested a certain trait list for CB for years. They scouting department and draft trigger pullers have largely provided that "type" of CB in a quantity over quality model -- which is basically what the defense long prioritized.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
Only in the last few years have the Steelers attempted a dedicated deviation from that model. For much of the last 20+ years they have looked for sound tackling zone guys (William Gay and McFadden) with the occasional dart throw on a more man capable guy (Coclough, Taylor, Allen).
I don't think getting bad CBs in rounds 5-7 should shock anyone. What is the hit rate on that league wide? I bet shockingly low.
Looking at the 1st and 2nd round picks, they did alright. About an even split between exactly what they thought they were and "busts".
My point is that I don't think the defensive staff has a clear vision of what they want to do at CB. This leads to the uneven draft selections and play of the past 3 seasons.
ehh I disagree and think thats to broad a brush statement but not going to argue semantics ... bottom line is they spent quality selection points in the first 3 rounds 7 times since Ike Taylor and didnt hit one out of the park , hell not sure I would give them anything more than 1 double and a single .... for the 7
I know, and at this juncture, that's part of the problem. Obviously. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
Tomlin is arrogant and that's a big part of the problem, as well.
Co signed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
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Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
Lewis was a good player. Tomlin didn't like him.
And all of this under the auspices of a former DB coach and DC, Mike Tomlin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
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Maybe - but that was another example of LeBeau not letting younger players start while their rookie contracts ran outQuote:
Originally Posted by Six Rings
Lewis was drafted in 2009 but was not a full time starter until the final year of his contract in 2012 - when he was able to show his skills in 2012 the Steelers lost out to the Saints in signing him
This from an early 2013 story when Lewis hit free agency
Coming off a restricted free agent tender of $1.26 million from the Pittsburgh Steelers last offseason, Lewis was able to establish himself as a bonafide starting cornerback in the NFL and hopes that the compensation he receives in his next contract will pay him accordingly.
Entering last season, Lewis was not interested in receiving long-term contract offers because he was being primarily used as a nickel-back corner. Fully aware that this would decrease his value, Lewis focused on improving his game to earn more responsibility, as well as a regular role in the starting lineup.
After starting all 16 games in 2012, Lewis was able to solidify a role in the starting lineup and hopes his work will earn him the salary he hoped for
https://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/pitt...-agency-rumors
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Originally Posted by smokin3000gt
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Bump…
Maybe Canada goes now or everyone goes at seasons end??
Tomlin don't know the rule for a catch?
Nobody on the staff says to challenge it?? No one?
Ha ha. Doesn’t think there’s a problem on offense other than penalties.
The eagles do what they want in this game....4 TD on 6 drives.....