FIRE MIKE TOMLIN!!

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Originally Posted by Craic

And a coach with no vision that left the Steelers with an aging, broken down offensive line and only one backup legitimately good enough to come in and take over in a position. Here's the last year of Russ Grimm.

Marvel Smith - 28, broken down. Missed 4 games the following year and 11 games the year after that.
Alan Faneca - 30.
Jeff Hartings - 34, retired after that year.
Kendall Simmons - 27, battling Diabetes and never really came back from it after being diagnosed.
Max Starks - 24, the following year, he started only 4 games. Year after that, 11 games. In 2010, started 7 games. He only had a couple of good years.

So, who did they have for backups?
Center - Chukki Okobi. How bad do yo have to be when your team loses their starting center and still lets you go to another team.
RG - Kemoeatu. Okay at best.
RT - Willie Colon. Not a bad player, probably the best we had behind the starters, but his offside penalties killed drives.
Trai Essex. Yeah.


Of that group of backups, only one was able to take the starting job and do half-way well. And that was Colon. (will never forget him pancaking the Bengals DLman in that game).

Russ Grimm? No thanks. We just climbed out of the hole he made for us three or so years ago.

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Post was sarcasm. Shoulda used the sarcasm font!!


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Originally Posted by Mojouw

Post was sarcasm. Shoulda used the sarcasm font!!


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Sarcasm font will get you every time! :chuckle:

Whose decision was it to try to be cute and win with Dobbs instead of playing Ben?

Just another decision that needs to be questioned...

Your time is almost up Tomlin.

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Originally Posted by BlackAndGold

Your time is almost up Tomlin.

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Thank goodness. One of the most inept halves of coaching I've seen in quite some time. Nothing against Dobbs, but I said to myself when Ben came back into the game that if the Steelers end up losing another down-to-the-wire game, Tomlin is going to have some serious credibility issues. Not using his timeouts to save time on the clock didn't help, either, neither did going for a 40 yard FG with a kicker who's been struggling and missed a 39 yard one earlier. Sure, in most cases go for the tie but the end result of having to kick one was due to a lot of poor decisions made in the second half to begin with.

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

Whose decision was it to try to be cute and win with Dobbs instead of playing Ben?

Just another decision that needs to be questioned...

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I said this in the GDT. Explain why you wait until you're behind to put him in if he was capable of playing?

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Originally Posted by Ezra Tank

I said this in the GDT. Explain why you wait until you're behind to put him in if he was capable of playing?

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I think this is a first for me, but unless the medical people weigh in and add some information, that was a terrible decision.

Get up two scores and then pull him.

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Originally Posted by Ezra Tank

I said this in the GDT. Explain why you wait until you're behind to put him in if he was capable of playing?

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Take the pressure off? Now BR can be a savior. If they still lose they can just blame Dobbs.

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Originally Posted by Ezra Tank

I said this in the GDT. Explain why you wait until you're behind to put him in if he was capable of playing?

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Because he was probably at an elevated risk for greater injury, but that elevated risk was not great enough to keep him out of a game in which they were losing. It's a matter of balancing risk of loss (game) with risk of loss (QB).

Until the risk of game loss became greater than the risk of QB loss, coaches kept him out. To me, that's actually being smart with your franchise QB.

I don't know when the Steelers will win their next Super Bowl, but I can say with 95% certainty that it will occur after Tomlin is gone

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Originally Posted by steel9guy

I didn't defend him after last week and I never will again. He's a joke. Never prepared to play bad teams. There is no excuse or argument for his tenure here since 09. I'm so tired of being embarrassed.

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This was a post from 2014.

I don’t know why I think that’s funny. Nothing I say today can be held against me in a court of law, as I am, at the very least, temporarily insane.

That said, FIRE TOMLIN!

I’ll probably be sane again tomorrow. Probably.

Once again bad time management. When the Raiders got the first down inside our Red Zone, we should have called a timeout. We would have gotten the ball back with at least 50 seconds left.

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Originally Posted by Godfather

Trade Ben. Sell the team to Mark Cuban. Retire LeBeau. Fire Haley.

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Okay, 2 out of 4 since ‘14. Anyone got Mark Cuban’s number?

Not sure if Ben not playing was Tomlin's decision or Ben being a drama queen, but I'd like to hear someone answer the question.
If he was well enough to play, he should have been in before down 3 with 5 minutes to play. That's taking your opponent lightly in an important December game.
Also, Tomlin mismanaged the clock again, by not using his timeouts with the Raiders at 2nd and goal and a minute to play. Time on the clock was not an issue for the Raiders as they had plenty to run all 4 plays they needed and then some. It was for us as we ended up with only 21 seconds to try to tie the game. JuJu bails him out on the hook and ladder, then Boswell blows it anyway, so this may be forgotten. But if Ben has a full minute to work there, we may get the TD and let's be honest, good bit of luck with that hook and ladder to get in FG range anyway. Tomlin screwed up the clock management once again. He also missed a challenge when the Raiders hit a TE inside our 20. The Raiders even hurried up and ran a play, which should have indicated they knew the ball hit the ground, but no challenge. He usually waits for the unwinnable challenge before he drops the red flag.

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Originally Posted by X-Terminator

Which, I might point yet again, was why I was upset that they passed on Dennard and took Shazier. Tomlin was in the room when the pick happened, so he bears some responsibility for not addressing that glaring need. Colbert deserves far more, though, not just for that pick but also for not addressing it in FA when there were decent options available for a reasonable price.

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I love 4 year old threads. If Tomlin’s decision to draft Shazier didn’t get him fired, good luck convincing ownership now.

Everyone with eyes in their skulls, and the power of precognition, could have told you that Shazier had a big red “paralysis-prone” sticker on his back!

Fire EVERYONE!

Then fire they’re replacements before they get the chance to suck!

Then hire the original guys back just to fire them again, but even harder this time!

Why am I not in charge of absolutely everything???

If Ben was able to come in earlier and didn't Tomlin screwed the pooch. It was obvious Dobbs wasnt going to produce a score. This was a must win game, he even said to reporters playoffs start today. Had that been playoff game no way Ben sits. with 59 seconds they should have been using time outs, it was obvious Raiders were going to score. I just don't get it. In the end the hook and ladder saved that poor clock management, only to have bubble bursted by Boswell. Im seeing 3 more losses due to Ben not playing against Bengals in meaningless game. Burnett was a useless pick up , as much as I hate flag kneelers Reid would have been a better sign. The last few weeks I haven't blamed Tomlin for losses, but this week he is a huge contributor, along with our worthless secondary.

This team has cancer and I don’t mean the locker room type.It has spread via FO to coaches to players. This team is not able to play 60 minutes of football. Yet the excuses continue.

Tomlin said that Ben could’ve come in earlier but they were in a game flow! A game flow that consisted of a Punt, Out on Downs, Interception and Punt. Don’t want to break that game flow!!

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

Tomlin said that Ben could’ve come in earlier but they were in a game flow! A game flow that consisted of a Punt, Out on Downs, Interception and Punt. Don’t want to break that game flow!!

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This could be heading to a 1988 Dan Rooney/Noll level confrontation where Rooney told Noll to turnover his staff or consider moving on since you have burned through your goodwill from past sucesses and your explanations for failure are not credible

Maybe Radio Ben will clear it all up Tuesday morning (not blaming Ben but if Ben is healthy enough to return he returns ASAP)

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

Tomlin said that Ben could’ve come in earlier but they were in a game flow! A game flow that consisted of a Punt, Out on Downs, Interception and Punt. Don’t want to break that game flow!!

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You know, it's one thing if you've established a ground game and you want to keep Dobbs in to see if you can ground and pound the clock away. But we had no running game either, exactly what the hell kind of flow was Tomlin looking at?

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

Tomlin said that Ben could’ve come in earlier but they were in a game flow! A game flow that consisted of a Punt, Out on Downs, Interception and Punt. Don’t want to break that game flow!!

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:toofunny:

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Originally Posted by AtlantaDan

This could be heading to a 1988 Dan Rooney/Noll level confrontation where Rooney told Noll to turnover his staff or consider moving on since you have burned through your goodwill from past sucesses and your explanations for failure are not credible

Maybe Radio Ben will clear it all up Tuesday morning (not blaming Ben but if Ben is healthy enough to return he returns ASAP)

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Rooney’s should step in and either make Tomlin clean house or get rid of him as well. Munch ask is the only coach on staff that you can actually see positive results from. There’s really not another on the staff...

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

Rooney’s should step in and either make Tomlin clean house or get rid of him as well. Munch ask is the only coach on staff that you can actually see positive results from. There’s really not another on the staff...

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You can win a lot of football games with Fichtner calling the offense. What the team really needs is to hire an actual QB coach. That will help let the OC just call the darn plays and then have someone on the sideline to assist with that and go through things with Ben and the other QBs. Every time Ben has a game where he just stops seeing defenders or the back-ups have to play the lack of a dedicated person in this role drives me up a wall.

Butler, Porter, and Bradley just need to go. Clean sweep. The new DL guy can stay.

Fun fact

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

I think this is a first for me, but unless the medical people weigh in and add some information, that was a terrible decision.

Get up two scores and then pull him.

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Ben fires up the bus and back over Tomlin - when the end comes these are the sorts of decisions that will be noted as to when it became something that could happen rather than just venting after a loss

“Coach was kind of saying, ‘Let’s wait,’ ” Roethlisberger said. “He didn’t want me to go back in. He wanted to see what was going to happen. Then, he kind of gave me a look like, ‘OK, let’s go.’ ”

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ron-cook/2018/12/09/Ron-Cook-Mike-Tomlin-mismanages-his-way-to-a-loss-to-lowly-Oakland-Raiders-NFL-Steelers-Ben-Roethlisberger-Josh-Dobbs/stories/201812100088

Just clean house. Mike Tomlin learned nothing from last year's disastrous. The team got lucky so many times against so many bad and mediocre teams (that the Steelers have historically dominated to boot), they had major flaws, they were playing below their record and got exposed by Blake Bortles. Instead of correcting that, Mike Tomlin decides to pretend that everything is fine and they don't need to improve and that he doesn't need to improve and look what's resulted. 7-5-1, on the verge of being out of playoff position. and poised to complete the biggest collapse north of the Carolinas. Hell he probably thinks he doesn't need to fix anything heading into New England because "DERP THE REFS CHEETED US LAST YEAR, WE BEAT THEM LAST YEAR, BUT THE REFS CHEATED US"

Tomlin is a cheerleader. It took me a while to concede Bradshaw was right. But that's really all he provides - bravado.

I've never really said much regarding Tomlin, but I've now had quite enough. The Steelers need a new head coach. Tomlin just isn't cuttin' it.

Butler and Smith need to go, as well.

It's time to clean house.

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Originally Posted by Lady Steel

I've never really said much regarding Tomlin, but I've now had quite enough. The Steelers need a new head coach. Tomlin just isn't cuttin' it.

Butler and Smith need to go, as well.

It's time to clean house.

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the Rooneys don't fire head coaches.

but some assistant coaches are definitely going to be...

After losing a must win game to the worst team in the league it’s time to clean house (that includes Tomlin)

this team was considered a Super Bowl contender three weeks ago and now they can’t beat the worst team in the league? After losing the two previous games? this should be it for the Mike Tomlin era (first McCarthy then Tomlin) two coaches who’s expiring date has come and gone