I’m reading these words and they make no sense to me. I didn’t see what happened. What exactly did he do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Steel
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I’m reading these words and they make no sense to me. I didn’t see what happened. What exactly did he do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Steel
During a commercial break, he jogged/skipped to the Panther's sideline where players were huddled and started running his mouth for no reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
Why the hell did Tomlin do that?!Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerdude15
Mike Tomlin Uses…Analytics?
https://steelersdepot.com/2022/12/mi...ses-analytics/
Good news if this is true,even if I don't want the steelers to rely too much on this
Do we have a fire Danny Smith thread?!
I don’t remember starting one…lol. If someone was going to do it…Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
Yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
Well let’s contribute to this thread……My respect for Tomlin just went way up. Listening to Ryan Clarke this evening, he even had a doctor’s note to play in that Denver game. His wife and kids told him to play. Tomlin told him that he wasn’t suiting up.
Here’s an amazing stat: during Tomlin’s tenure (sixteen seasons) the Steelers have played one game (ONE) where they had been eliminated from playoff contention.
This is crazy.We are hard sometimes on Tomlin but the steelers never quit under him even if the situation look ugly sometimesQuote:
Originally Posted by teegre
on the surface that is eye popping stuff , then you come to realize he had a first ballot HoF QB as his opening day starter his entire tenure (until this year)Quote:
Originally Posted by teegre
then its not all that shocking or eye popping (IMO)
what then comes to mind is why didnt they have more success with so many years of top 10 defenses , 1st Ballot HoF QB , many very good WR's and a running game that was always ready to roll ....
that is when you have to start scratching your head and thinking hmmmm why not more playoff wins and Lombardi's
Seasons like 2009,2017(playoffs only) and 2018 were undoubtedly disappointingQuote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
But since 2019, the Steelers have been below average, especially on offense...We all know how bad our offense was in 2019 because of the QB situation, but after that Ben was washed out at this point in his career, especially since in December 2020 and in 2021 he was very limited... He was no longer a HOF caliber QB at this point of his career
No doubt, the loss against Tebow in 2011, was on Tomlin (and Lebeau) but another loss like in 2014, when they lost Bell before the playoffs and they had no backup behind him, it did not help ... They had also the worst defense since 1988 in 2014....2015 our offense was depleted against Denver but they still gave a good fight
2017, even though the loss of Shazier was a killer and the steelers had nobody good as a backup at this position, it was a bad loss and the collapse of 2018 was awful too, so I give you that
But on another occasion, we have to see the context
I'm going to bang my anti-fire Tomlin drum.
I often have harped on the Steelers for not turning over the back-end of the roster. But I noticed that Malik Reed was a healthy scratch on Sunday. Jamir Jones played a decent # of snaps. And while he wasn't awesome, he certainly flung himself into fullbacks and pulling lineman with gusto.
Good to see the Steelers get another reserve OLB up to speed and moved up the depth chart.
This year Tomlin has them in contention with a rookie QB, just as he did in 2019 when Duck Hodges was his QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
But, considering he had Ben, then Yes, it was easier for the Steelers than some other teams have had it. That said, Cowher had Ben for three seasons (before Ben’s contract created cap hell for re-signing free agents), and Cowher missed the playoffs 1/3 of those years.
(It’s easier said than done.)
except this year we won in baltimore :)Quote:
Originally Posted by teegre
People talk about the disappointing playoff results of the Killer B era, but I don’t think we played a single playoff game with all the Bs. If we did, it was one game tops.
I know that no team is ever totally healthy going into the playoffs, but we’ve definitely had some very bad luck in that department over the last ten years or so.
The only game was vs JaguarsQuote:
Originally Posted by HollywoodSteel
Oh right. The one where we scored like a million points and still lost. That one was a head scratcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
I would just say that there are so many factors that go into it that there is no clear cut solution. You have 32 teams ultimately competing for the same spot in the end. Before the season even starts there is only a 1/32 chance (based on number of teams alone) they will be the last one standing. The better the team, the better the odds become.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
Every team rotates both players and coaches every single season and then tries to maintain some stability within that and build upon it, trying to overcome significant player and coaching changes as they can.
I don't think there are many head coaches who could have had the turn around Tomlin has had this season, as well as in 2019.
I don't want championships, that isn't why I pay attention to this team. I want the team to put the best product that they can on the field, and if that results in a championship in the end, great, now I can brag about my team being the best (which is really all we get as fans). I am not much of a bragger, so I don't get much out of it other than telling the team they did a great job on a message board. Maybe a new 'Superbowl Champions' tshirt if someone sends me one, because I am not going to buy one.
Sure, we could rotate the Head Coach just like the Lions, Browns, Jags, Redskins, Texans, Raiders and so on that you may get your wish, total instability, and we could wind up being a bottom feeding franchise just like them for decades.
There is no guarantee that the coach that is hired is going to lead the team to success. Even if it is a good and proven coach. Sometimes a good coach and a team just don't work out being together.
I have lived in Detroit for some time now, and you don't want to follow a franchise like the Lions. Once every 10 years they see some hope (like now), only to have it smashed to pieces again and again and again (hopefully not this time, for the fan's sake). That starts at the top because the Franchise turns over coaches like a batch of pancakes trying to find 'the one'.
They have only won one playoff game IN 50 YEARS.
Is that really what you want?
While I share in frustrations that I see with the team, there is only one NFL franchise that has had some sort of consistent stability over the last 50 years.
The Pittsburgh Steelers.
They are doing something right. So I am just going to sit back and let them do their thing.
But they do need to move on from Canada just because it's so obvious he doesn't fit.
great post!Quote:
Originally Posted by lipps83
More like a false equivalency.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
Changing coaches does not make you a bad team. Similarly, never changing coaches does not make you a good team.
Sure, one may be a sign of the other sometimes, but too many around here believe in a self-fulfilling prophecy - just because you have patience and stability means you will be good. Well, not always. Being patient with the wrong people will also limit you.
What the Cowboys did with Tony Romo, and the Bengals did with Andy Dalton, is what we are doing with the head coach. Sure, they are pretty good compared to a lot of their peers, and they may even be good enough to bail you out of some tough spots sometimes. They don't do anything that makes you outright say, "What a bum, we need to get rid of him" - except always come up a little short and never get you quite into REAL contention, just constantly poking around at the fringes.
16 years means we've exercised more than enough patience, I want to see some real results.
Right! Like having 10 ex-wives doesn't make you a bad husband! LolQuote:
Originally Posted by steelreserve
well could be a good husband who just sucks at picking women :chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
It’s the wives fault!! [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
While you are absolutely right, it doesn't change anything I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelreserve
What the team is currently doing is not meeting your expectations. It doesn't mean that the team is not meeting the expectations of the owners (and others). If Tomlin at a point no longer is meeting their expectations, then they will deal with it as they see fit.
The Steelers are a good team, and have been minus a handful of years, for 50 years.
There aren't many franchises that can say that, in all of sports.
For you, being good isn't enough, and that's okay to see it that way.
Nothing wrong with that.
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Originally Posted by 86WARD
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Always remember and never forget... It's ALWAYS Canada's fault! :lol: :hug:
I mean, if you picked a wife who was shitty and never got off the couch, and bitched about everything constantly, and never let you hang out with your friends, and was always jealous, and sucked off your brother-in-law - if you got rid of her, everyone would be saying "Great move man, you're a lot better off."Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
If you stuck with her for 15 miserable years, they wouldn't be saying "Good move, you're doing it right, way to be patient!" they'd be going "What the hell is wrong with you, can't you see she sucks?"
Similarly, if you end up with a shitty coach, you're better off if you fire him sooner rather than later. Even if you're the Raiders or the Lions and you had 10 shitty coaches before, maybe your ability to pick coaches is in question, but you're not gaining anything by sticking with another shitty one.
Just like with women, 50% of coaches ARE below average, by definition. If you are trying to win, many of them SHOULD be fired and the average tenure should only be a few years.
Anyway, in your terms, Tomlin is the chick with big jugs and a huge ass who never puts out. Eventually you got to realize that's not going to change and you're never going to get what you want, no matter how close it is to what you want on paper.
Moronic.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelreserve
Except, in your scenario, the only acceptable wife is the perpetually young Ms. America model when the reality is there is only one per year, and skipping from one to the next in continual pursuit will get you shut out from any of them. To put that in football terms, there's only one coach that wins a SB each year, and any team that continually cycles through coaches trying to get the next SB champion coach will soon find any SB caliber coach will have nothing to do with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelreserve
this is not a for or against post its just a factual one , use it however you please in your baseline to judge him ....
https://scontent.fpit1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...Cg&oe=63BD3821
So far this year Shanahan is 12-4 with 3 different QBs including a rookie taken in the 7th who is playing like a Pro Bowler.Quote:
Originally Posted by teegre
Cowher had Ben go 13-0 in his first season.
I don't see how this season is some legendary coaching job personally.
Shanahan had 4-12 and 2 6-10 season in the past...No one is perfect...Btw you are stupid if you compare 2004 Ben with Delvin Hodges!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloydwoodsonjr
49s fan board that way —————>Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloydwoodsonjr
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Oh no!! Don’t bring facts into the argument!Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
Well, that same question can be asked of Shula with Marino, McCarthy with Rodgers, Siefert with Young, so on and so forth. You're also discounting ownership putting the Steelers in salary cap hell for two or three years hoping for one last super bowl. That severely limited who we could keep and who we could get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
Remember when the rest of the NFL didn't have ANY good players and we just won the Superbowl every single year?
The 49ers have a good chance to make their 3rd NFC Championship in 4 years... so of course you try to make the deciding factor the regular season...Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
Shanahan is a lock for COTY. 49ers overcame a lot of diversity.
Show me where I said one word about Hodges please.
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Originally Posted by Lloydwoodsonjr
Read what Teegre has said.....
49ers board is probably better. This board is toxic and dying. You are only allowed to echo fluff pieces. A 9-8 season is to be treated like a Super Bowl win or else.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
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Discuss it with Teegre.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
More fake news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloydwoodsonjr
You can pretty much say whatever you want here…look how long you have been here. Even the challenges are welcome. But maybe you should go to the 49ers board…Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloydwoodsonjr