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They already have an OC on staff not named Canada. You fire Canada. You put Sullivan there who Pickett knows and would think, be comfortable with. Sullivan knows the shit Canada has been smearing, he can use some of that shit and clean some up. When the season ends, you evaluate the position. This should’ve been done Week 8 last season. It’s not rocket science to get rid of a disease that is named. Canada.
Fire Canada (which most likely will happen this year on Dec 31st at 9pm, yay Happy New Year) and a new stooge will take his place, and I said the same thing about Keith Butler when he retired too. In fact, maybe it's time to stop repeating myself and just issue a blanket statement. See what will probably be my 2nd to last comment of the season in the week 1 game thread.
while I wont completely disagree , the qb still has to make the throws and put them in a spot that the receiver can succeed and if I had a beer for every time the ball was thrown behind the receiver today or over his head or in the ground I'd still be drinking them tomorrow afternoon if I stayed up all night .....Quote:
Originally Posted by HollywoodSteel
KP sucked today , he looked like the KP that first came into the game for the 1st time last year and tossed 3 picks that everyone wanted to blame on everybody but KP ...
will he be better next week ? who knows but it wont take to many performances like todays before fans start to boo him and call for a change ..it was UGLY and I am not just blaming him but ultimately he is the one making the reads and throwing the ball
Yup, we already knew this season was over back in January when they said they weren't firing him. We just had the offseason to forget all the shitty details of what it was like. But of course if was never going to be any different. Incredible that they're willing to throw away two whole years over this clown.
Here's a telling Matt Canada article...
https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news...able-milestone
What the article doesn't mention is every other team has went for over 400 yards at least 3 times since 2021. 9 teams have done it 10+ times. Canada became the OC in 2021.
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Originally Posted by RunNGun
he is what we though he was ...............
Canada was pretty much adding to the offense in 2020 as a QB Coach. I remember articles that said they were installing parts of his offense and people were excited about the innovation..,Quote:
Originally Posted by RunNGun
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Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
The real suck is that even if they fire the guy; their stuck with his "offense" for the remainder of the season.
I remember reading and listening to multiple former players and coaches during the first part of last season talking about there being no time to install newplays or system in season. That during the season it's just game planning and tweaking the existing stuff.
I have no way of knowing if that's true and I'm sure you all can recall example that counter that
I'm.just passing on what I remember hearing last season.
Maybe not fire Canada now, but they need help. Canada needs help. Bring in someone to help tweak the plays, cleanup the routes (as Haley suggested). To do nothing is stupid
Didn't they hire some college passing game guru? I know they added an offense oriented coach this summer but I can't recall any details.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
I think Glenn Thomas as an assistant to Canada was hired before the season. He has no recent nfl experience and seemingly not much success at the college level (UNLV finished 3-9 under his guidance) - seems like the perfect hire to not ruffle Canadas feathers too much. Doesn’t seem like someone who can take over - merely another voice in the room - not much of an impactful one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
well in that case we are rolling on with 2+ years of stupid so there is that ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
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sounds about right if 1 stooge isnt enough get yourself another oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
I don’t know. The base offense probably has to stay the same but maybe Sullivan, who isn’t that great in his own right, could add something new to it? I don’t know. There is precedent out there that shows a switch in OC has improved teams mid season. I can’t recall exactly the cases but it was looked up last year and there were a few cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
If this is all that Canada can offer...If he really is exactly what we all feared he was......they now have a 25 year old quarterback that is in his second season with this guy and doesn't even have a full season of experience. If they keep Canada, Kenny doesn't have a chance. If they fire Canada and bring in a different offense, it will take a long time to fully implement, so it won't be fully operational until 2024.
Once the new offense is installed and everyone is up to speed, there is still a learning curve. A quarterback doesn't usually get comfortable in a new system until they have at least a full season in it and thousands of reps of practice and game time...especially a young QB. Pickett could be 28 before he would have full grasp of the system. Hopefully it would be sooner than that.
Not a good scenario no matter what.
Let's hope that Canada can get things turned around, and that Kenny Pickett and all the players respond to their horrific showing on Sunday. With all the injuries it's a big ask, but if this is how it's going to go down, get the kids in there and start playing everybody.
Jones at LT and Moore at RT. Start playing JPJ now. Get Washington in there if Muth can't go, but even if he does play, run some 12 personnel and see if they can smash people and run the ball, plus all the things you can do off of that formation.
It certainly isn't time to give up the season, but if players aren't getting the job done, put the kids in right now and get them experienced so they will be better later this season, and be ready for next season.
If they get a competent offensive coordinator they could probably tweak things enough to get thru the season looking respectable. Then trash everything canada and start new next season.
Shannon Sharpe was on ESPN talking about the Dolphins, but it relates well.
He basically said you gotta be able to drop 30 points nearly every Sunday if you want to beat the big boys.
Has Canada ever scored 30 with one of his offenses. I bet not often. If you're barely breaking 20 a game you are expecting your defense to shutdown the top offenses week in and week out. That is not a good game plan
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It’s what I said last season. You’re wasting time with Pickett to the point where you’re not going to really know if he’s going to be useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by pczach
Not to mention your wasting TJ Watt, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Cam Heyward, everybody…it’s dropping the organization back in developmental years.
maybe its me , but I see some good things in some of the concepts they are trying to use but my major issue is there is not enough of it and then the play calling based on down and distance in situational football has been complete bullshit and we won't even bother getting into how predictable his play calling is as that in itself can and will cause a system to fail because if the other team can guess what your gonna do before you do it you are setup to fail ....
Agree with a ton of what is being said here. But I do not see a lot of potential bright spots.
1. Anyone with any track record of success with running an offense has a job in football right now. There are not a lot of "good" coaches siting at home in the first few weeks of college and NFL seasons. Guys like Kliff Kingsbury and Joe Lombardi even got jobs.
2. Even in the off-season it is going to be hard to lure a "proven" coordinator to Pittsburgh. Take a guy like Ben Johnson in Detroit. He is going to want to go and be head coach somewhere if he leaves the Lions. Following the well worn path of guys like Daboll and McDaniel who leverage success as an OC to being hired as the head guy somewhere.
3. That means you have to look at "successful NFL" offensive staff/systems and go down a tier and hire a position coach. But...the team will likely block that hire because they are going to hire that coach to replace their successful OC that just left to be a head coach. So now you have to go down another level on the staff and hire that guy.
4. Then you go into the college ranks because the pool of potential hires is much bigger....and that is how they got Canada in the boat in the first place.
If you look around the league, not as a hard and fast rule, but, in general, non offensive minded Head Coaches can struggle with the OC position. Their presence blocks the internal path to head coach so automatically a ton of candidates are just out. And the non-offensive coaches might not have personal networks deep into offensive staffs across the league that seem to get all these guys jobs.
All I am saying is that I am very pessimistic about the quality of the next OC - whether it is next week, next month, or next year.
see thats a large part of the problem they cant Identify what a good offensive coordinator is supposed to look like ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
they snagged Canada and he wasn't a top tier guy at the college ranks
now they bring in this other guy from the college ranks and he wasn't highly successful either ....
now instead of a blind man you have 2 blind men so essentially the blind leading the blind ...
with the amount of talent we supposedly have at the skill positions we don't need to reinvent the wheel or find the next Don Coryell hell we just need someone who is serviceable at the NFL level .
Ken Whisenhunt , Mike Mularkey , Chan Gailey even Todd Hailey any of those guys who all have been maligned at one time or the other would ALL be a monumental improvement from what we have now ...
This again. "Who else can we get."Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
If you can't get a guy with a proven track record, then get a guy with no track record. Install a new offense on the fly if you want. I guarantee you it will not be any worse than this dogshit.
There, I just saved you two miserable wastes of an entire season.
You have jumped to several conclusions all on your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelreserve
I am in favor of firing Matt Canada right now. Hope it gets announced before I'm done typing this post.
I also do not believe that the Steelers have any track record of identifying and fostering offensive coaches. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
I can not think of an "internal" Steelers offensive coach since Mularkey or Whisenhunt that had any success.
I suspect they will either fire Canada at the bye if things don't get better (and promote either Sullivan or off-season no name and they will also suck), or they will soldier on until the eventual end of the Canada death march and hire some unknown guy from outer nowhere directional state U and he will suck worse than Canada.
But at least it will be a different suck and that will be an improvement.
Also, at what point do we get to conclude that Sullivan is a shit QB coach. What QB on the roster looks better since he has been here? Look at where he coached before he got here....some bad outcomes.
Also look at the recent issues with WR coach(es)...
And while we are at it...let's not forget about Pat Meyer. For some reason some folks are high on him. Why? Look at the offensive rankings and rushing numbers where he has coached before. Lots of sacks and lots of inefficient rushing attacks. It is possible he isn't any help to all this either.
The Pittsburgh Steelers are not good at identifying, attracting, and employing offensive coaches. Why would we expect it to get better anytime soon? I suspect the reasons I listed in the previous post contribute greatly to that track record of failure. Bad candidates for bad jobs.
Bring back Haley. Or suffer through the rest of the season with team Canada.
I think you can't get "top" guys to come in as an NFL OC. They are going to want to come in as the HC. That ain't happening in Pittsburgh. So you are left playing in the shallow end of the coaching pool. And that does not mean I wouldn't be all in favor of swapping out OC's. Just that I am not optimistic about the outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
It's going to be a long year with Canada calling the plays again and, I agree this is going to be setting back the team for years to come. Wasting great players TJ Watt, Fitzpatrick, Heyward and, there is some good players on the offensive side of the ball. Bring Hailey back as OC.
The playcalling is horrible, I think everyone agrees on this point. I would like to see our offense execute a simple run off tackle before I start trying to re-scheme anything though. There is just so much we can’t understand after that game Sunday. We just did not sustain any drives long enough to see exactly what the main flaws are.
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Originally Posted by Mojouw
I'm not sure you can call the guys we hired even middling guys , closer to bottom feeders from the college ranks ..I mean this is the longest Matt Canada has been in 1 place to the best of my knowledge (anyone beg to differ please enlighten me ) 34 games (35 counting the playoff pounding we got from KC) and then a full season prior to that "grooming" for the job ....
we hired a less than average college guy and a bottom feeder college guy to run a pro offense ..... I would ask them how it's working out for them but I suspect they wont take my calls
This is all pretty accurate, no argument from me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
What is just maddening to watch is this team REPEATEDLY getting to the point of "what is there possibly left to lose at this stage by changing something," and then they just sit there ... and sit there ... and sit there, while the mistakes pile up and better luck next year. It's one of the reasons why they haven't been serious contenders for over a decade now. What you said is another reason. They're slow to identify the problem, and shit at fixing it when they finally do.
And in the midst of this, there will be people actually defending it because they have it confused with the "patience" that helped them win 20 or 30 years ago when they knew what the hell they were doing. "You want them to make a knee-jerk reaction, go root for the Browns!" "You're not in the locker room, what do you know!" "Spoiled Steelers fans complaining even if they were 17-0!" Any excuse they can find. Jesus fuckin christ.
The Canada situation is really emblematic of all the things that have made it difficult to get excited about this team anymore. He was dead in the water a full year ago and even the announcers and other teams' players were questioning what the hell we were doing with him calling the plays. The season ends and we miss the playoffs - ok, it already took way too long, but FINALLY we'll be spared any more of this shit. Nope - more excuses while we back up and throw ourselves against the same brick wall again.
Seriously, I have got almost no interest in this shit anymore. It's boring to watch over and over, that's what it is.
That’s not true at all. There are plenty of QB coaches or pass game coordinators that go on and be an OC somewhere. Unless they are going to be promoted within their own organization there’s plenty that will accept a job in Pittsburgh. You also have no substantial “evidence” that candidates “won’t come to Pittsburgh”. That’s just your theory but there’s no basis to it unless you know they’ve been looking and failed and that’s why Canada is still here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Finding candidates is not a problem…the problem, like Dwins said, is finding the correct candidate and identifying that they can be a good OC…which they have not done in multiple attempts…