Trump's remarks about NFL players kneeling during the National Anthem

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

This thread is just about the saddest thing I have ever read.

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Yeah, we have a soapbox section that is a ghost town where this should be continued and stay.

I don't even want to think about this issue while the Steelers lose a crap game.

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(I put this in the Soapbox section purposely as to not clog up the NFL section with politics)

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Thank you.

As a Vet I am done with the NFL, I don’t care what Trump said, it shouldn’t matter. What matters is their fans are people like me, people who revere that flag, and people fought for that flag, and people who respect the police. This forum has been fun, but I will no longer waste my time on Sunday’s with football. Goodluck to the Steelers and to all of you.

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Originally Posted by AtlantaDan

Most of the f**king league protested in one form or another

I am p***ed off about the game but are you serious?

fansince76 - this is the 2008 election SFF threads on steroids - any chance posters are encourage to save this for the soapbox?

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I don't think alot of folks around here really pay any attention to the rest of the NFL.

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Originally Posted by Rotorhead

As a Vet I am done with the NFL, I don’t care what Trump said, it shouldn’t matter. What matters is their fans are people like me, people who revere that flag, and people fought for that flag, and people who respect the police. This forum has been fun, but I will no longer waste my time on Sunday’s with football. Goodluck to the Steelers and to all of you.

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They're called conservatives.

For the record, I posted a separate thread in the Soapbox section and yet only one person posted in that one.

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

This country was founded by groups of people protesting the actions of what they saw as an unjust and unfair system instituted by the government. Many people agreed with those protests. Many did not.

Seems to me that crapping on people that are choosing to voice their opinions, no matter how distasteful we may find them and vehemently we may disagree with them, kinda misses the whole point of this experiment in democracy that we call our country.

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tell that to your fellow liberal friends in Bezerkly, Ca who won't let conservatives speak freely at the University.

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Originally Posted by cubanstogie

tell that to your fellow liberal friends in Bezerkly, Ca who won't let conservatives speak freely at the University.

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I don't know those folks nor do I care for their viewpoints. But its cool of you want to lump everyone who you don't agree with together.

Trump triggered the Steelers.

Sorry for creating this shit thread fellas. Mods feel free to revoke my thread creating privileges.

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Originally Posted by Steeldude

So the only two routes to go are kneeling or shooting each other? How about stand to show respect and then go play the game you are paid millions to do? Funny how none of them protest after the game is over.

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To believe that patriotism will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and spontaneous instead of a compulsory routine is to make an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds.

Robert Jackson, J. - majority opinion West Virginia St. Bd. of Education v. Barnette (1943)

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-suprem...t/319/624.html

Trump was right. The NFL could've went about their business and ignored the statements, but all they did was prove him correct.

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Originally Posted by AtlantaDan

Most of the f**king league protested in one form or another

I am p***ed off about the game but are you serious?

fansince76 - this is the 2008 election SFF threads on steroids - any chance posters are encourage to save this for the soapbox?

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Yep - moving this one.

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Originally Posted by salamander

For the record, I posted a separate thread in the Soapbox section and yet only one person posted in that one.

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I am merging this thread with that one. Hope you don't mind.

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Originally Posted by salamander

For the record, I posted a separate thread in the Soapbox section and yet only one person posted in that one.

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Maybe that is because most posters do not want to talk about it unless someone interjects it into a football thread?

I could spend all day posting about Trump but am looking for an escape

I would be fired at my job if I made political statements while on the clock and caused my employers to lose clients. People are more pissed than you realize.

I know Tomlin thought he was doing the right thing, but shame on the team for letting Al Villaneuva stand alone. Karma bit them in the ass.

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Originally Posted by stillers4me

I would be fired at my job if I made political statements while on the clock and caused my employers to lose clients. People are more pissed than you realize.

I know Tomlin thought he was doing the right thing, but shame on the team for letting Al Villaneuva stand alone. Karma bit them in the ass.

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That was such a terrible look for the Steelers. SMH

The Steelers did not stay in the locker room, but if they can stand in the tunnel, then they need to get their asses beside their teammate, an army veteran who's a mother fucking hero.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKhF82jWAAAoWtn.jpg:large

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Originally Posted by stillers4me

I would be fired at my job if I made political statements while on the clock and caused my employers to lose clients. People are more pissed than you realize.

I know Tomlin thought he was doing the right thing, but shame on the team for letting Al Villaneuva stand alone. Karma bit them in the ass.

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He was alone but some Steelers were in the hallway standing for the anthem. Can't see behind the front players who else was standing.

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...6e&oe=5A42D620

whats next for this team, signing Kaepernic.

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Originally Posted by cubanstogie

whats next for this team, signing Kaepernic.

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They did what's in their rights to do. I might not agree with it, but this is what our country is founded on, freedom. So far that is. I could say I'm disappointed in the Penguins for going to the WH, but I understand why they are. I'm not put off on anyone exercising their rights just because it's something I wouldn't do.

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Originally Posted by Steelerschik

They did what's in their rights to do. I might not agree with it, but this is what our country is founded on, freedom. So far that is. I could say I'm disappointed in the Penguins for going to the WH, but I understand why they are. I'm not put off on anyone exercising their rights just because it's something I wouldn't do.

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I don't have the right to make political statements at my job and lose customers for my employers. Period.

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Originally Posted by stillers4me

I don't have the right to make political statements at my job and lose customers for my employers. Period.

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Well I guess that's your job and others as well. Apparently not the NFL. Period.

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Originally Posted by tube517

He was alone but some Steelers were in the hallway standing for the anthem. Can't see behind the front players who else was standing.

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...6e&oe=5A42D620

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Looks to me like they did stand for the national anthem at least those in front

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Originally Posted by Steelerschik

Well I guess that's your job and others as well. Apparently not the NFL. Period.

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And people have the right to watch something else and spend their money elsewhere. And they will.

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Originally Posted by stillers4me

And people have the right to watch something else and spend their money elsewhere. And they will.

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They've been doing it before all this. They can/will continue to do it. The NFL will still be the NFL.

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Originally Posted by stillers4me

I would be fired at my job if I made political statements while on the clock and caused my employers to lose clients. People are more pissed than you realize.

I know Tomlin thought he was doing the right thing, but shame on the team for letting Al Villaneuva stand alone. Karma bit them in the ass.

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Amen

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Originally Posted by st33lersguy

Looks to me like they did stand for the national anthem at least those in front

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Ben , Cam , Chick , Foster and it looks like Moats

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Originally Posted by Steelerschik

They did what's in their rights to do. I might not agree with it, but this is what our country is founded on, freedom. So far that is. I could say I'm disappointed in the Penguins for going to the WH, but I understand why they are. I'm not put off on anyone exercising their rights just because it's something I wouldn't do.

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It is within their right ,and most fair minded people aren't even saying the don't have a substantial reason to protest. I think most just think this is the wrong platform. I am one of them. Trump is the divisive one for having his opinion but Kaepernick and company aren't. It always double standard. Maybe the Penguins are going to WH out of respect for the office and and plan on having productive dialogue on the subject, which would be a less divisive way then Steph Curry for declining a great honor.

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Originally Posted by Steelerschik

They've been doing it before all this. They can/will continue to do it. The NFL will still be the NFL.

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we will see viewership was already down to the lowest in 30 years ..... I bet it gets far worse before it gets any better .... you attract a lot more flies with honey than you do vinegar

Fuck this whole over blown story. Y'all act like there witnessing a rape and carelessly standing by. For fucks sake it's the National Anthem. Quit taking yourselves so fucking serious. How about being thankful that you live in the Greatest Country on Earth and you have the ability to stand or sit and won't get killed for doing either.

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Originally Posted by BurghBoy412

Fuck this whole over blown story. Y'all act like there witnessing a rape and carelessly standing by. For fucks sake it's the National Anthem. Quit taking yourselves so fucking serious. How about being thankful that you live in the Greatest Country on Earth and you have the ability to stand or sit and won't get killed for doing either.

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half the problem , youth has no respect for the flag , the anthem , the nation in general because everything has been handed to most of them and never had to earn a damn thing in their lives ..... but I digress and will remove myself from this conversation for a bit as I am to pissed off to speak rationally on the topic